And now they LOST (?) the car????????

[whosinpower]

snip from - http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/03/benefit-of-dumb.html

The US has the troops first firing warning shots, then shooting into the engine block to stop the vehicle. The Italians say they were hit by hundreds of bullets. The Observer reports up to 400 rounds struck their car "from an armoured vehicle. Rather than calling immediately for assistance for the wounded Italians, the soldiers' first move was to confiscate their weapons and mobile phones and they were prevented from resuming contact with Rome for more than an hour." Sgrena's car, the US claims, is now "lost," and cannot be inspected.)

And what should we think of this: if the US forces regarded the vehicle as a threat, why did its driver escape unscathed? The only fatality was secret service agent Nicola Calipari, who "was killed as he threw his body across Sgrena." He died instantly, struck in the temple.


First of all, I can well understand, in the heat of war, all bets are off for logic. There are many unanswered questions in regard to the attack on the Italians. By some fluke(and a pretty BIG fluke at that) I can sort of understand how the driver would escape unscathed - BUT that the US would now "lose the car" so it cannot be inspected is ridiculous to the extreme. 400 rounds fired into the car, supposedly into the engine block - I mean freaky things happen to bullets as they traverse through obstacles, and so by some freak of fate, it could possibly occur, that one errant bullet found its mark in the intelligence officers temple.....but how is it that so quickly, the US would "LOSE" the car?

This story might blow up in Bush's face far bigger than he has imagined.

[drdtroit]

1. All I have to say is ...

Clinton would have been impeached 15 or 20 times by now had he acted as irresponsible and ruthless as bush.

[tinonedown]

2. How can 400 rounds strike a car....

And anyone come out alive? 400 rounds, and the driver is not hit? I have to believe there were not 400 rounds shot and that makes the Italians version of the story a lie.

[bpilgrim]

4. we don't KNOW how many rounds struck the car, hello...

we are HIDING IT and that makes many suspect our version is a LIE.

peace

[SmokingJacket]

5. Too bad we "lost" the car...

otherwise we might be able to prove your point.

[whosinpower]

7. In which case -

Losing the car to prove that there were not 400 rounds fired on it even more absurd.

One would think that the US would carefully preserve all evidence in what they have said was a tragic accident that would be thoroughly investigated.....and now they lose a key piece of evidence??????

[underpants]

11. Bradley Fighting Vehicle armament

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m2-specs.htm

Armament 25mm cannon (Chain-gun)
7.62 mm coaxially mounted machine gun
TOW missile launcher with twin tubes.

[bowens43]

12. what a ridiculous assumption.

[Ms. Clio]

20. It's always so heartening to hear someone attacking the victims

No doubt the relatives of all those dead and tortured Iraqis are lying, too.

[Tactical Progressive]

21. I agree, no way 400 rounds hits anything

without everybody dying 1/10th of the way through.

[Ms. Clio]

22. So you agree that the Italians who survived are "lying?"

Interesting.

[jdots]

23. we have some gun experts here

they should be asked

[murray hill farm]

3. one can hope!

since what really is absurd, it the us story of what happened. I believe that there really are no coincidences...and certainly not to this degree.

[Kool Kitty]

6. Gee, now that is a surprise. Not.

What a horror this story is. How were these people hit, if the soldiers were firing at the engine block? Unless, of course, they were riding on the engine block. I don't know anything much about cars, but I know that the explanation of this is not possible.

400 rounds fired? :wtf:

[Karenina]

10. Nicola succumbing instantly to a single shot to the temple

is right up there with the perfectly intact passport found at the WTC.
:eyes: We're living in the midst of such BRAZEN destructive, sociopathic *misanthropy... What's that Chinese curse again, "May you live in interesting times." I don't find being continually appalled particulary "interesting." Just a BUMMER. :-(

[Padraig18]

8. If they can't find the car, how do they know that 400 rounds hit it?

Mission Control, we have a logic problem.

[AllegroRondo]

9. Italian officials are suggesting they were targeted by US

NPR covered the funeral this morning. The descriptions of what happened just do not match up - driver and journalist say no warning shots were fired, no signals, etc. Italian officials suggest it may be because Italy paid a ransom to get the journalist free and the US has a strict 'no negotiation' policy with insurgents.

[gratuitous]

13. Didn't Eason Jordan resign from CNN?

He said off the record at an overseas journalism conference that he had credible reports that the U.S. military was targeting journalists. For saying such incendiary, unsupportive-of-the-troops things, he was drummed out of CNN and his scalp proudly displayed at conservative blogs as one they "got."

How very odd. One might almost surmise from the available evidence that there was indeed military targeting of journalists, and that Jordan was blacklisted due to a conservative witch hunt. But that can't possibly be true, so I anxiously await the true reason for recent events. Surely one will be forthcoming from the corrupt Bush administration, which never seems to be at a loss for long for some nonsensical explanation.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. All I can say is I'm glad Sgrena survived to tell us the TRUTH.

SHE may be the one to bring down the cabal. She was targeted and the world KNOWS it!

We "lost" her car? Hahahahahahahahahaha! The Italian Government should DEMAND that car. If they don't get it, SUE Bush. :grr:

[displacedtexan]

15. Had the Italians NOT been on the phone w/Italian Govt Officials...

We wouldn't even be discussing this story.

Those people would be nothing more than a single sentence on a cable "news" crawl.

[JohnyCanuck]

17. Yup

Those people would be nothing more than a single sentence on a cable "news" crawl explaining how their car had been shot up in an attack by the terrorist insurgents, no doubt.

[Bluebear]

16. Maybe the car was "raptured"???

:eyes:

[Minstrel Boy]

18. FYI, here's the AP reference about the missing car:

"When The Associated Press in Baghdad asked the U.S. military to see the vehicle on Saturday, the military said it didn't know where it was."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050306/ap_on_re_eu/italy_iraq_hostage_reconstruction

[SillyGoose]

19. Yeah, right...like I actually would believe they LOST that car....

How the hell do you lose a car that was involved in an incident of this magnitude? My my my...how convenient. This is setting off my BS detectors big time.

If the WH insists on spewing this nonsense as fact, the brainless one and his minions should be removed from our house PRONTO for gross incompetence if nothing else. This is f---ing ridiculous.

(I swear sometimes I think we are living in some kind of weird Twilight Zone episode.)