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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:08 AM
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Teresa H-Kerry points to GOP owners of voting machines. "I fear for '06."
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 11:09 AM by blm
Good. She is openly saying the OWNERS of the machines are suspect. Most citizens still have no idea who actually CONTROLS the voting machines and their software. Thanks to the GOP controlled media who refuses to examine the GOP owners.


>>>>>
COUNTING THE VOTES: Heinz Kerry is openly skeptical about results from November's election, particularly in sections of the country where optical scanners were used to record votes.

"Two brothers own 80 percent of the machines used in the United States," Heinz Kerry said. She identified both as "hard-right" Republicans. She argued that it is "very easy to hack into the mother machines."

"We in the United States are not a banana republic," added Heinz Kerry. She argued that Democrats should insist on "accountability and transparency" in how votes are tabulated.

"I fear for '06," she said. "I don't trust it the way it is right now."
>>>>>


http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:10 AM
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1. Good for her. Now where's
John Kerry the other Dem leaders and why aren't they screaming about this?
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:50 PM
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35. They need to get on tomorrows Blog Call
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:10 AM
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2. NOW, NOW you are speaking out about this
we've were hollering for 4 years and now they notice a problem

oy, yoi, yoi
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:15 AM
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4. funny isn't it
two years before the 2004 election we knew at the most there was a problem with an audit trail on the voting machines, and no paper receipt.

Where was the DNC, and congressional democrats when we needed them?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:30 AM
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7. WE picked up on it in the fall of 02. The media didn't put it out there
as a mainstream story at all during the last two years.

There have still only been a handful of stories about the machines. Most of the mainstream press has stayed away and NONE of the mainstream press will expose the GOP OWNERS of the machines.

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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:38 AM
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10. I agree
something should have been said before now, but I say better late then never.

At least someone has spoken up. Now we need more to speak up.

:)
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:14 AM
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3. THANK YOU SO MUCH TERESA!!!!!!
I'm so glad SOMEONE is speaking up. It's about time. For the most part, the election fraud is something that I've talked to other DUers about, and no one else knows anything about it.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:16 AM
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5. Now she just has to beat that drum for the next 3 years
and not let it fade back into the darkness. We have to get some high profile leaders in on this that are willing to talk about it OFTEN and OPENLY.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:23 AM
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6. That's what I said about '04....
Maybe Teresa's voice will carry farther than mine did.

This IS the most important issue we face before anything else. I hate to hear people pinning our hopes on taking back the house in '06. It won't happen if we don't fix the machines. It happened in '02 and '04, '06 won't be any different.

Sorry to be such a pestimist. I am truely hoping Teresa can take up this issue and make it loud. She's the woman with the voice to do it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 06:40 PM
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27. Couldn't agree more. They get away with the voting machines cuz they own
most of the media.

It really is just up to us to further every report like this.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:31 AM
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8. "I Trust the People".....just not to count votes.
"Only machines can be trusted as they are Objective while people are Subjective" I wish Kerry had thrown these quotes back at bush* during one of the Debates.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:38 AM
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9. Thank you, Teresa Heinz-Kerry! Thank you for coming out and saying
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 11:39 AM by havocmom
what needs to be said by people with voice. Thank you for caring enough about America and Americans to speak truth to power and corruption.

Paper ballots counted by real people who are observed openly by anyone who asks to do so! When machines vote, machines win. The neocon machine is Un-American and practices terrorism! We have to stop them from 'counting' the votes and creating the results they want.

edited to add:

The REAL First Lady stands up for truth.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:48 AM
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11. Paper ballots NOW!!!! Hand counts Now!!!!! n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:49 AM
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12. Teresa's a heroine here -- if she's onto this, so is John...
and, I hope, others as well.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:07 PM
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13. THK: "We must be totally committed to this journey ...."
In The Northwest: Teresa Heinz Kerry hasn't lost her outspoken way

By JOEL CONNELLY


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/214744_joel07.ht...

An informed perspective:

"Think about last year," she said. "Once John had his nomination, the Republicans spent $90 million to destroy his reputation."

She cited dirty tricks used in the campaign to mobilize what the religious right called "Values Voters."

"In West Virginia, John was going to burn Bibles," she said. "It's not 'values.' It's outright lies."


Very important advice:

"We have to develop a discipline for this party, so the people of this country know more clearly what it is to be a Democrat," she said.

"Basically, we are at a crux, a crossroads right now," Heinz Kerry said. "It's no place for self-indulgence. It's no place for looking back. We must be totally committed to this journey ... to believe again, to hope again."


Peace.


PROVE MY VOTE COUNTS
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SophieZ Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:15 PM
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14. Well, 4 months late and a few dozen electoral votes short....
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 12:59 PM by SophieZ
This is nice.

Let me tell you what happened in September though. And in November. And in June.


MY PERSONAL ENCOUNTER WITH CAM KERRY

On September 14 in Houston, I told the candidate's brother Cam Kerry in person, face to face, to be ready for machine fraud and get some technology experts and people familiar with this onboard, handed him a copy of The Nation cover story by Ronnie Dugger. He seemed polite at best, and not at all curious. {"How They Could Steal the Election This Time," by RONNIE DUGGER, The Nation, Cover Story -- August 16, 2004 issue http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040816&s=dugger}

~~~~~~~~~~

CAM KERRY AFTER THE ELECTION:
"The election protection effort has been important to me personally, and I am proud of the 17,000 lawyers around the country who helped. It's obvious that we have a way to go still, but their efforts helped make a difference. Their work goes on.
Thank you,
Cam Kerry
(attorney and brother and advisor of John Kerry)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

YES CAM, BUT WAS IT 17,000 LAWYERS and ZERO TECHNOLOGY EXPERTS OR COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS OR BLACK BOX ACTIVISTS?????!?!!!!???? WAS IT?!?!
Like hiring a flotilla of orthodontists to build a suspension bridge, or a slew of tractor-trailer truck drivers to compete in the Ice Dancing competition of the Olympics.


~~~~~~~~~~

TOLD TO ME by Tracy Gary
She was at Tampa, Florida Dem headquarters on the Saturday before the election, she wanted to make phone calls or help somehow. The phone message said the office hours were 9 to 5 pm WEEKDAYS. There was virtually no one in the office on the Saturday before the election. She asked why the staff and hundreds of volunteers weren't in there, and the person there said something about "we don't want to work that hard."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FROM Jeeni Criscenzo
While I'm playing the blame game, let's shine the spotlight on the Democratic campaign. I was in the Tampa headquarters for most of the four weeks prior to the election. Tampa, according to Kerry himself, was "Ground Zero" for the campaign. But do you know what hundreds of supporters heard when they showed up at Ground Zero headquarters begging for yard signs, buttons and bumper stickers? They were told there wasn't any more! They ran out over a week before the election. We were told the campaign was setting aside money for legal actions after the election so they couldn't print up any more campaign materials. But John Kerry conceded the election in less than 24 hours when there were reports of disparities and fraud coming in from all over the country! What happened to all those "legal action" plans?
Jeeni@cpr4democracy.com


~~~~~~~~~~~
from voting activist Vickie Karp in Austin, Texas:

Abbe Delozier and I sent an "Invisible Ballots" (G. Edward Griffin) DVD and Bev {Harris}'s book to Vincent Fry, the chairman of the Democratic party Voting Rights division, or some such title, back in June. No comment until I e-mailed him later, to which he replied, "Raises some interesting points." End of discussion. I had my suspicions then that the Dems didn't want to know the details, which made me suspect their motives all the way to the top. Apparently my suspicions were justified.
The bloodless coup!
Vickie Karp
karp@mail.com <mailto:karp@mail.com >
11 30 04

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
EDITED THIS:

from Houstonian and a leader of the state Progressive Populist Democrats Stan Merriman

I had started calling the DNC on or about Nov. 4, asking if there was an elections fraud group, frankly to try to verify the gnawing uncertainty that my Party was doing anything about the reports emerging on "voting irregularities" all over the USA. I was given the name of Louis Fry (sp) as the head of that division. Almost daily until about the 15th I left messages for him. No answers back from anyone. Also each time cycled through the forwarding loop where when you hit "O" for operator, it cycles you to the next person in the department and ultimately to an aide in Chair (hopefully soon to be unseated !) office. On one occasion, a call to the DNC last week at 5:05 pm Eastern Standard Time, the switchboard operator said there was no one there at all -- everyone had gone home for the day.
Finally, after a week, I got a call back from Fry who told me they do have lawyers on the ground, particularly in Florida and Ohio, working also with lawyers from the State Parties. I did not have presence of mind to ask if they also had technical people...........a major omission on my part but my sense was, not from the DNC......they seem to think lawyers are always the solution because that is what they are in the main. I verified that The Chair was indeed on vacation (in the very middle of what might be a Constitutional crisis, but at the very least a very egregious voting rights crisis). Cynically I asked was it at Stowe or Vail ? One aide I got, obviously assigned to assauge an irate hinterlander, me, said....."we lost; we are all moving on here"............I asked if that was the official DNC position and though clearly without the authority to do so, he said YES. He also said that much of the staff had been let go. So, Virginia, your Party was on vacation or furlough during perhaps one of our most crucial elections in American history. My contempt for the DNC grows with each passing day with their incompetence.
Stan Merriman
(Stan has been instrumental in organizing the Progressive Caucus within the Texas Democratic Party)
November 21, 2004

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CAM KERRY's OP ED ON THE DAY OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE OHIO ELECTORS
(bear in mind that the candidate was off in Iraq)
(and note that he seems to have learned little in the two months following the election):

Counting every vote
Op Ed
By Cameron F. Kerry
January 6, 2005
The Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped... /

SO NOW the votes in Ohio have been recounted, and it's time for Congress to tally the Electoral College. But while the election is over, a fight goes on to protect everyone's right to vote and make sure every vote is counted.

I wish it weren't so, but the final facts look like the picture on the morning of Nov. 3 when my brother, John Kerry, ended his campaign for president. <MORE>

...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:19 PM
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15. Thank you Teresa!!!!! Truth to POWER. The machines have no clothes!
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tinonedown Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:21 PM
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16. This drum needs a louder beat
And a sustained beat.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:00 PM
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:08 PM
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19. Freeper Alert
I would have no problem having right wingers come to DU and discuss things like adults. This guy obvioulsy doesn't have that ability.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:17 PM
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31. unfortunately they will just chalk it up to her "bad boy" image
like when she told the reporter to shove it


they will use this to kick her down
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:12 PM
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21. opposed to mindless banter?
come to the lounge while you can, there is much to oppose

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:39 PM
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23. Go away
first of all, for every case of voter fraud found by the democrats there is one found by the republicans. the real big tears are simply coming from the group that lost.

Where did you get this statistic from, O'Reilly or Rush ?

second of all, you listen to theresa kerry, or was it heinz? both talk about the poor and unfortunate while they are worth over 500 million dollars and chose not to pay .....


It is Heinz because it is her choice not yours. Just like I decided (no other groups) what name that I would be referred to . Being a woman I do have that option !
Leading philanthropist, does this word have meaning in your world ?
Choices about how much tax you pay , when did taxes become a choice ?

I really don't think we need nor want your critic of DU. Maybe, you are gone by now so there is no need for me to finish.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:51 PM
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24. Brilliant. Thank you for validating Mrs. Kerry's statements about
electronic voting for us.

It is obvious that the opinions, (apparently gleaned from unfounded RW email talking points), of someone of your easily recognizable academic achievement, intellectual prowess, command of the English language, astounding insight, research capabilities, and vast life experience, should be placed in the highest regard by all.

Usually, it is only graduates of Bob Jones University that are capable of composing such a well-written and revealing satirical essay on conservative thought patterns, such as the one you have so thoughtfully posted for us.

Carry on!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:58 PM
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:03 PM
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18. how bout Democrat owned voting machines ...
some one needs to come to America and spread democracy !
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:11 PM
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20. KUDOS and THANKS to Teresa Heinz Kerry!!********
Thank you for posting.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:32 PM
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22. And where was your hubby, Heinz; Eating french fries w/catsup for a month?
How long was it until Mr. Kerry made a mention of paperless machines possibly being crooked, nevermind not raising a stink about it back when it was RELEVANT?

Sorry Heinz, go drink some ketchup. Most of us here have the "been there, done that" attitude over your apparently novel idea that 2006 may be less than trustworthy. :eyes: We figured that out LONG BEFORE the election.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 04:05 PM
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26. The DNC should handle the voting machine issue. Expecting one
presidential candidate to have handled it when he barely even knew about it with everything else on his plate is absurd, a mindless scapegoat charge made by those who weren't juggling ONE PERCENT of the schedule and issues Kerry was throughout 2004.

The voting machines effect EVERY election, not just for president. This battle SHOULD be taken on by an honest media, but since we don't have one, the Democrats as a party must work to expose the problem.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 06:45 PM
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28. As THE candidate, he should have known about it. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:21 PM
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32. But as elections are run and controlled at the state level
The responsibility of the DNC to help the state parties in defending the integrity of the process in their state.

It most definitely was not Kerry's responsibility. If the election was stolen he was the victim.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 08:48 PM
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38. Look at NM, our Richardson wouldn't let a recount go forward...
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 08:51 PM by Gloria
our stupid Sec. of State basically said that there were loads of people who showed up to vote for county commissioner but felt like skipping the Presidential vote.

Meanwhile, our Democrats are helping push through parental notification and I betcha old Bill R. will sign that if it gets to his desk...

And he's running for something, because he's in ads all over the state, paid for by the state Dem party.


This is one sucky mess down here in NM.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:52 PM
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36. Who was in charge of telling him? They are informed by the media as much
as anyone else. You think Kerry spent his time on DU last year?

I was always surprised that Dean didn't take more of an initiative and warned the DNC and the Kerry campaign that this was becoming an issue. It seemed he had some inkling of it along with Kucinich. If Dean had found cause for alarm he would have stepped up, but maybe he didn't think there was enough to it at the time, either. Now they all probably do.

You act like the ONLY person responsible for the voting machines was Kerry when he was working his ass off in every town he could get to and staying abreast of all the issues to be addressed in the debates.

Sorry the media wasn't plastering these machine stories on the front page, but that's probably all he had time for with his schedule which was probably a THOUSAND times tougher than any other Dem's schedule last year.

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:15 PM
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29. Intriguing. She goes after the optical scanners, not the outright BBV
touch-screen (Diebold etc.) machines.

My state has optical scanners.

My state has a repuke governor for the first time in forty years. That's before Jack Lord was on top the apartment building at the beginning of Hawaii Five-O.

:scared: :scared: :scared:
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LeftyLizzie Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:15 PM
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30. WE LOVE YOU TERESA!
She's always been one to tell the truth, and I truly admire her for that. Alas, it's too bad that that's just what people criticized her for. I've always thought she'd be a fabulous first lady . . .Teresa, :yourock:
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:23 PM
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33. Mark Crispin Miller wrote an aritcle........
where he advises both John and Teresa about the dangers of Bush stealing the election. Evidently John Kerry was skeptical but Teresa was very taken aback by Crispin's revelations. This was before the 2004 election. So she had every reason to watch very carefully all the abnormalities and put 2 and 2 together.

Here is the actual article detailing this:

http://www.unknownnews.org/041105comvot.html
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:43 PM
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34. Seeing Theresa in the news is a love/hate thing for me.
I seriously felt like having her as first lady was god's gift to the women of this country. I still get bitter about it whenever I see her name because it gets me thinking (all over again) about what could have/should have been.

:cry:

Sigh.

God I love that woman.

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 08:07 PM
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37. If it takes a march on Washington, or even a general strike....Dem
leaders must organize and mobilize NOW!!! Whatever it takes,
we must get rid of non-auditable voting methods, or our Country is
lost (to us, anyway).
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