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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:30 PM
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Jews Need Not Apply

(I don't understand why these cases aren't
sent to courts immediately for legal scrutiny)

http://www.newsforreal.com/

Jews Need Not Apply
Thanks to a vote by House Republicans yesterday your tax dollars may soon be going to organizations that discriminate. Yes, discrimination is going to be all the rage, if the Senate approves.

The House on Wednesday approved a job-training bill that would allow faith-based organizations receiving federal funds to consider a person's religious beliefs in making employment decisions. Under current law, religious groups that receive federal money for job-training programs must obey civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination in hiring or firing.

Every now and then we get a glimpse behind the façades the right puts up to hide what’s really afoot, and this was one of those times. The vote yesterday was pushed by the Christian right to fix a problem they had with Bush’s faith-based initiative. They were all for getting federal funds flowing to their church-sponsored outreach programs, but they did want to have to comply with the nation’s workplace anti-discrimination laws.

So, after two decades of complaining that government was hostile to religion (to which they mean Christianity) they wanted Congress to let them discriminate against people who do not share their beliefs -- and do it with taxpayer money. And, as the Christian right almost always does now, they got what they wanted out of this administration.

In a statement Wednesday supporting the bill, the White House said;

"Receipt of federal funds should not be conditioned on a faith-based organization's giving up a part of its religious identity and mission."

So what the fig does that mean? It means that a Christian group looking to hire people to run their taxpayer-funded job training program could turn away Jews, just because they are Jews.

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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:34 PM
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1. Or because they are black or latino. Or because they don't think
women should work out side the home. Disgusting!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:35 PM
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2. yep
that too.
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petron Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:37 PM
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3. that's sick
I'm gonna puke now....:puke:

Talk about driving a wedge down the middle of this country...ugg.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:42 PM
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4. No JEWS, No BLACKS, No GAYS
And all on your tax dollars!

Lovely, ain't it?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:52 PM
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6. "No Jews, No Blacks, No Gays" and No Non-Christians
Only white "Christian" fundies will benefit while Social Services programs, that cannot discriminate, were slashed and burned.

We already HAVE systems to distribute money/grants/vouchers and implement job training programs, WHY is money being diverted from those and given to churches?

This assinine move also cuts down on jobs, unless someone wants to work or volunteer for a church. Many Social Workers and Public Administration people are going to be out of work, due to the program cuts.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 12:44 PM
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5. Yep. Welcome to the United Theocracy of America. It's wonderful,
isn't it? :puke:
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:09 PM
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7. Another lie exposed
Remember when the Faith-Based Initiative was billed as a "leveling of the playing field"? You don't? Have a look at this PDF from the White House site: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010816-3-report.pdf

As quoted in that document: "The paramount goal is compassionate results, and private and charitable groups, including religious ones, should have the fullest opportunity permitted by law to compete on a level playing field, so long as they achieve valid public purposes... The delivery of social services must be results-oriented and should value the bedrock principles of pluralism, nondiscrimination, evenhandedness, and neutrality." ~ GW Bush*, Jan. 29, 2001

When the original executive order was signed, there was a stipulation that religious groups could continue to discriminate on the bases of faith, lifestyle and a myraid of other attributes. While the groups would not be allowed to discrimate against the individuals they served/helped, but they would be able to discrimate during hiring employees and selecting board members.

There were other stipulations as well: religious groups were not allowed to use federal grant or contract dollars to fund any "inherently religious" activity, and they were required to separate "in time or location" services funded by direct government aid from "inherently religious activities. Religious art, icons, scripture and language within mission statements were allowed to stand.

Bush* also signed an executive order opening new Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives at the Department of Agriculture and the Agency for International Development, and he directed the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to allow religious nonprofit groups to qualify for aid after disasters.

For more information about the original executive order, have a look at: http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/guidance_document.pdf (A PDF "Guidance to Faith-Based and Community Organizations on Partnering with the Federal Government")

Despite the executive orders, Congress moved forward to pass a modified version of the CARE Act. (This piece of legislation was on the floor when Bush* moved to sign the executive orders -- thinking he could circumvent Congress.) This bill struck down the language of the executive order which allowed faith-based groups to discriminate in their hiring practices.

This brings us back to where we are today. The non-discrimination aspect added to Faith-Based Initiatives is not good enough... Bush* has stated that if Congress does not act to strike this language, he will sign yet another executive order.

Here is a link to the White House's position paper on why religious groups must be allowed to discriminate: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/articles/booklet.pdf
(This is a PDF "Protecting the Civil Rights and Religious Liberty of Faith-Based Organizations: Why Religious Hiring Rights Must Be Preserved")

In addition to the go-ahead for employment discrimination, Faith-Based groups were also granted at least one other benefit which secular groups do not have: if the faith-based group establishes a separate account for government funds received for social services, the required government audit is limited to that separate account. Now this would be a luxury some other non-profits would love to have.

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