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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:26 AM
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A 'REAL' Nostradamus prediction on the Chimp??? Judge for yourself...
http://www.hogueprophecy.com/archiv44.htm

(excerpted... follow the link for the whole thing ... it's very long and has many imbedded links... so go read.....)

THE "W" PROPHECY:
Did Nostradamus use "Dubieux." (Doubtful One)
to name president Bush by his nickname, "Dubiya"?

(snip)

Now it is four years later. On this day following President Bush's second inauguration, it is time to reexamine an authentic prophecy from the 16th-century French seer Nostradamus that may present his authentic label for the US president. It contains such rare and obvious clues to make it a sure prophecy for "Dubiya," the much cherished and well-known nickname for President Bush. Century 6 Quatrain 13 of Nostradamus' prophetic masterpiece from the 1550s says:

Vn dubieux ne viendra loing du regne,
La plus grand part le voudra soustenir:
Vn Capitole ne voundra point qu'il regne,
Sa grande change ne pourra maintenir.


A doubtful one will not come far from the realm,
The greater part will want to support him:
A Capitol, will not want him to rule at all,
His great burden he will not be able to maintain.


Nostradamus had a passion for hiding major historical figures behind their nicknames, especially if the nickname draws a wicked pun in old French. He only used the word "dubieux" (dubious or doubtful one) and its variant "dubieuse" once in over 36,000 words of his major prophetic work about the future of the world. The rarity is significant. It brings interpretive pressure to bare on its application to one important person in his future history, rather than using this word generally. An obscure Nostradamus prophecy becomes clear when an interpreter uses the right word as a key that unlocks its secrets. The word "dubieux/dubieuse" unlocks two quatrains (6 Q13 and 6 Q95) revealing a similar theme of two leaders, a father and son, and their checkered destinies. Are these the father--former President George Herbert Walker Bush (1988-1992)--and his son, George W. Bush?

(snip)

A good Nostradamus scholar is ever ready to consider new possibilities, especially if those include a word or phrase that matches a unique slang term or nickname. Until "W" or "Dubiya" Bush became president of the United States there had not been ANYONE whose name phonetically matched the word "dubieux" so closely!

Many sympathetic supporters of President G.W. Bush have written to me over the last four years arguing that this prophecy better applies itself to the man Bush defeated in the disputed (doubtful) vote count in Florida 2000, Al Gore. I would have agreed with them if it was not for the near-perfect phonetic match for Bush's nickname--Dubiya--with "dubieux."

(snip)

Let us take apart Nostradamus' Century 6 Quatrain 13 line by line:

A doubtful (dubious) one will not come far from the realm...

Beyond the argument that "dubieux" stands for "Dubiya" President Bush is noted for his lack of interest in visiting foreign lands unless it is absolutely unavoidable. Even now, compared to other modern presidents, such as Nixon, Carter, Reagan, even his father George H.W. Bush, and Clinton, he has put in the fewest frequent foreign flyer miles of any modern president. It could be said that he has and "will" continue not to venture "far from the realm" of the US.

...The greater part will want to support him...

This fits G.W. Bush. Though the country be divided, and despite those who latch onto all the themes listed above that support his being called "dubious," it is a fact that after four years Bush gained significant popular support. He transformed a popular vote deficit of 500,000 in 2000 into a slim but telling mandate over J.F. Kerry in the 2004 election of 3.5 million. So one could say, as Nostradamus did, that the "greater part will" and did "want to support him."

...A Capitol, will not want him to rule at all...

This prophecy contains not one but TWO clear and rare references supporting a US president as the theme of this vision: "dubieux" for Dubiya, and "Capitole" for the US "Capitol" building. Out of 36,000 words of Nostradamus, "Capitole" is only used once.

The line is ominous if it applies to Bush. At some stage the "Capitol," meaning the US house and Senate, may move to impeach or force President Bush to leave office. Bush's political party now has a majority in the House and Senate. I cannot rule out a long held gut feeling that Bush will find his presidency betrayed by members of his party. But we will see. Perhaps by the mid-term elections scheduled in 2006 the opposition Democratic party may take back the House of Representatives and Senate.

The last line says:

...His great burden he will not be able to maintain.

Few presidents have risked more in economic and foreign policy than G.W. Bush. He has made it clear that he intends to prosecute his agenda with redoubled intensity in the next four years, despite all signs of flaws and vague planning. His second inauguration speech defined a grand and some are saying militant vision throwing down the gauntlet to bring democratic freedoms to people beyond Iraq--to dictatorships around the world. Though he did not mention them by name, the emerging message between the lines of his speech to countries like Syria, Iran and North Korea is: become democratic "or else." Does this mean that his presidency will fall because his ambitions are too doubtfully grandiose? Can he disarm or use military force to defeat Iran and North Korea, or bring democracy to the Arab nations of the Middle East, transform the US Judiciary, cause US tax reform, transform the US Social Security System all in four years? Is the president a visionary, or a dreamer burdened with a vision too grand and too dubiously thought out to maintain?

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go to the page and read the entire thing, there is at least three times more on Chimp and almost as much on Poppy...

Joh Hogue will be on "Coast to Coast AM" on 2/28, expect this to be discussed...




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charles_nys Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:33 AM
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1. Thank you Rosco for that research .....
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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:34 AM
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2. Nostradamas is bullshit. Nostradamas is bullshit.
Nostradamas is bullshit. Really! Everything is so vague (probably intentional) so you can find whatever you want in his words.

Nostradamas is bullshit.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:37 AM
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3. So was Chimp 'winning' in 2000 and 2004... but we've got him now don't we?
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:45 AM
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4. have you seen this quatrain?
a chimp fresh from his failures in Texas
move to a bigger tree farther away from bananas
starts a war in the land of camels and petrol
many will die, his hands are like feet
millions will die for his faith as he throws out the baby with the bath water.

half quatrain half limerick.
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Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:53 AM
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6. Yes, but it's not all vague BS. Here is some specific BS.
"A great King of Fire will descend from the skies in July, 1999." I am paraphrasing. It didn't happen. I think the Kosovo war ended a few months prior. However, I do think this thread has merit because of the Dubieux reference.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:54 AM
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7. Thank you, I'm glad SOMEONE bothered to actually READ the details n/m
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:20 AM
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10. Correction to 'King of Fire, 1999"...
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 01:20 AM by Rosco T.
the proper verse is ...

"L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra grand Roy deffrayeur
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angoumois.
Avant après Mars régner par bonheur."


The year 1999 seven months
From the sky will come the great King of Terror.
To resuscitate the great king of the Mongols.
Before and after Mars reigns by good luck. (C.10, Q.72)


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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:47 AM
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5. "Change" means the same in French as in English
which means the changes he's making in our system won't last.

That's the one bit of hope I find in this.

Otherwise, I think murky prophecy that relies on liberal interpretation, mostly after the fact, is pretty useless.

After all, the Lourdes prophecy, said to foretell the assassination attempt on JPII foretold an execution on a hill in a half ruined city, and execution that featured arrows as well as bullets.

The bullet was the only true part, but believers cling to it as proof of prophecy.
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charles_nys Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:00 AM
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8. Yeah , but look at this scary shit ...
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 01:01 AM by charles_nys
From the article thats dated Jan 21, 2005

Next, a health crisis with Cheney's heart, true or fabricated, could see him step down as president or die in office. Thus Cheney's Vice President, chosen for him by the plutocracy, could successfully run for office and perhaps lengthen their stay in power for another four to eight years.

And now this from Feb 19, 2005 from
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42938

Vice President Dick Cheney likely will step down next year due to health reasons and be replaced by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:06 AM
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9. I think that you're just looking for hope
but at the same time I think that it can be fun to look at what Nostradamus wrote and see if can be applied to current events. I don't take too seriously though.

On the other hand, I think that the events that you describe very well could come true. There has to be some congressional Republicans who think that W. has gone too far with Iraq and Social Security. If Bush stumbles then some Republicans along with the congressional Democrats could go after Bush.

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:23 AM
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11. Recommended Reading:
"Mask of Nostradamus" by James Randi.

I'm hoping you didn't post this for any other reason than an example of silliness. I mean, you could have found that in a fortune cookie. Would you post it then? Come to think of it, maybe I'd post it.

--IMM
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:27 AM
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12. This is incredible
and hopefully, sense will come back to reign as it seems.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 04:04 AM
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13. Perhaps viewpoint should be from a different country.
Such as France or the Middle East.

A doubtful one will not come far from the realm,
He doesn't travel much, and when he does, he ideas don't.
The greater part will want to support him:
Not the greater amount. The part that wins.
A Capitol, will not want him to rule at all,
Paris hates him. What capitol doesn't.
His great burden he will not be able to maintain.
The house of cards.
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