Missouri Handmaiden's Nightmare

[loyalsister]

When they killed stem cell research for non-fertilized cells, I knew it was insane..... I am just now beginning to see how insane. These people are nuts!!!

HB 645
Would allow a taxpayer to claim an exemption for stillbirth children in the year the stillbirth occurred.

http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills051/bills/HB645.HTM

[Erika]

1. In the 1400's men were shot for masturbating

and killing the seed, as if it were life.

Now, they want to give tax breaks for stillborns?

No offense intended, but I think the Southern states are messed up totally. I won't plan on vacationing in theSouth.

[thefloyd]

2. Missouri is not a southern state.

For the record

[Erika]

4. In my trips to Texas and Oklahoma I was given a rental car

with MO plates. So what part of the country claims Missouri?

[thefloyd]

14. You had a rental car with missouri plates

I forgot Missouri is colonizing the south. Please. rediculous.
Missouri is the midwest. Or what use to be the midwest somehow ohio has claimed to be the midwest.

[madrchsod]

6. anything south of i-80 in illinois

is the south.

[LeftyMom]

3. That sort of makes sense for term or near term stillbirths

If a child is stillborn at or near term that parents would have incurred the same medical costs that one generally associates with pregnancy and possibly additional costs related to whatever condition causes the stillbirth. They only "save" (and it feels heartless to say it) the costs of baby items like cribs, carseats, etc, provided they can return them and have the heart to do so.

Oh, and they've likely got a memorial service to pay for. A little tax break could make that easier.

[Erika]

5. So the logic follows

at what point do the taxpayers pick up tabs for miscarriages?

[Erika]

7. By medical records, at least 10% of miscarriages

are natures way of elimininating defects. You wish the government to be involved in this also? How big do you want to make government?

[LeftyMom]

9. WTF does that have to do with anything?

It doesn't hurt any less.

Yes, of course, I want Uncle Sam to control every aspect of my reproduction. What a logical consequence of my position. :eyes:

[LeftyMom]

8. Speaking as one who had several

I incurred few expenses because running out and buying a carseat and a crib set and a maternity wardrobe in the first trimester is *fucking dumb*. I certainly never wanted a tax credit, I just wanted my body to work right!

If I'd carried a baby in my womb for nine months or more (based on my one sucessful pregnancy, more is the likely option,) incurred all the associated medical expenses and then had to bury that baby, it would sure help me out to get a little tax credit to mitigate those expenses. (BTW, what's a state dependent exemption in, MO? Here it's less than $100 I think)

This isn't going to be the foot in the door that negates Roe. Treating a family who has lost a baby like it never existed sucks. I can't imagine what it's like for those who lose babies they expected to hold any day, I know it's hard enough when you aren't even showing yet. Aren't we the party of compassion?

[flygal]

10. Exactly what I was thinking

I'm sorry you went through - but you are so right. A still born baby is a great loss for parents. Not only dealing with the loss and questioning their medical situation, but there are amazing costs endured as you stated - funeral for one.

I don't see this as a step towards negating rvw.

[loyalsister]

12. If that were the intent

I would agree, however the idea behind this is to personify the fetus. There was a bill sponsored last session to give every stillborn a birth certificate. We will definitely see that again this year. It will probably pass.
This is the state that is carrying the torch to overturn Roe.

[cap]

15. yes... but some just pass out of the women's body as a little blood

clot. So does a woman bring in her undies for a tax break?

[lovuian]

11. I saw this coming and they should get Birth Certificates

and social security numbers!!!

[theHandpuppet]

13. Save the tax breaks for those who don't have children

Personally, I think giving tax breaks to those who don't have children makes mores sense than the opposite. Now there's an incentive for real family planning and tackling the issue of overpopulation. Frankly, I've never understood why the govt should reward folks with tax breaks for having children -- and that's the truth. I simply don't understand the reasoning behind it.

[NewHampshireDem]

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[Solly Mack]

17. Itemize medical expenses

I can itemize my medical expenses on my taxes. What's stopping those who deliver a stillborn from doing so?

Even when (if) the cost of delivering a stillborn is less than the deduction allowed per standard exemptions, doesn't it make more sense to allow the deduction (itemization) for medical expenses of a stillborn delivery anyway, than to count that stillborn as an actual exemption in the number of dependents box?

Would parents who qualify also get EIC for the stillborn?

Gee, why not require insurance companies to issue a separate policy for a fetus...that way, in the event of a stillborn delivery, the policy pays....

oh my! what would those "pro-life", corporate whore politicians do then? Frothing at the mouth insurance corporations on one hand.....frothing at the mouth "pro-lifers" on the other. I'd wager the insurance lobby would win out, don't you?

Recouping some of the medical costs by itemizing is one thing...claiming the dead as a dependent is another.

I would think the motive of this bill is obvious.