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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:57 AM
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My interview with Kathleen Sullivan, mind control survivor
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 11:58 AM by Minstrel Boy
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Interview with Kathleen Sullivan (Part One)

This is the first part of my interview with Kathleen Sullivan, a recovering survivor of trauma-induced mind control. (For a background to this subject, consult earlier posts such as America's Condition Green.) Kathleen is the author of Unshackled: A Survivor's Story of Mind Control, published by Dandelion Books and can be ordered through BookSurge. She is founder and president of the North American Freedom Foundation (NAFF), a victim and survivor advocacy group. Much more of her story can be read on her website.

Kathleen Sullivan at 16, and today:


The late Jim Keith, in his book Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness, wrote of Kathleen: "one cannot help but wonder if what she says is a particularly twisted brand of science fiction. But the ease with which the woman answers questions put to her, and her sense of sincerity is compelling. Finally, one fears that she is telling the truth."

I know the feeling. Maybe you will, too.


A frequent charge of those who doubt survivors' stories is that your recovered memories have been somehow contaminated. What steps have you taken to ensure your memories are authentic? Could you provide an example of a recovered memory that might appear contaminated, but has been validated?

I am very fortunate, in that when I entered for the first time - a psychiatric unit designed to help clients suffering from severe dissociative disorders (Multiple Personality Disorder, now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder), one of the technicians warned me to avoid reading books written by other survivors. This occurred in the summer of 1990. He stated that hed watched too many survivors mentally absorb details from such books, thereby muddling their own memories and making them increasingly unsure of whether their remembered experiences had actually occurred. He said that he didnt want the same thing to happen to me.

I recognized the wisdom in what he was saying and chose to follow his advice. After that, if I absolutely had to look for information in books (usually reference materials) to find verifications about certain parts of memories, I would start by quickly scanning the index, then find the specific pages that appeared to contain the information I was seeking. Then, I would literally cover the other sections of the pages or even bend back any other pages, to avoid seeing what was on them. I was quite fanatical about protecting myself from memory contamination. I knew that if I could not trust the legitimacy of my memories, I would not be able to therapeutically accept my blocked-out experiences, integrate them into my life narrative memory, and accept my fuller self.

For this same reason, I have whenever possible - avoided discussing my memories with other survivors. I have also avoided reading the recollections, on the Internet, of any survivor who appears to have had a similar history. Even though reading their materials could help verify some of my recollections, the cost of contamination or confusion is simply too great. I have also avoided any movies or videos that could, in any way, relate to what I have been remembering.

Concerning sharing over the Internet: what most people probably do not know is that when survivors post stories and information in Internet support groups, the survivors are required to notify the other survivors receiving the postings that certain materials in the postings may cause problems for the readers. To alert the recipients, the writers often type the word spoilered and then leave enough blank lines between that word and the more intense section, so that the reader wont accidentally view materials that may not be beneficial. This seems to work fairly well. Of course, some survivors choose not to worry about whether or not their memories might become contaminated, and will read everything. That is their choice.

In the earlier part of my recovery, many flashes and pieces of memory emerged that I believed must have come from my imagination, or perhaps from old movies. This belief came from my need to protect myself from emerging awarenesses that were still too upsetting. I mentally put such memories on the shelf and did not make a judgment about them one way or the other. Since I began my recovery in 1989, Ive been amazed at how many of those shelved memories have been verified in any number of practical ways.

I can also give you an example of an opposite problem that I experienced in the mid 1990s. I met an outspoken government mind control survivor, Cathy O'Brien, whose common-law husband advised me to read some materials that Cathy had written about her experiences. I only read one of those articles, in which she had written about a bizarre, very specific sexual act that she had allegedly performed for a certain politician. Although I had independently been remembering that same politician, I still had blank spots in my memory concerning him. Because of this, I inadvertently adopted some of the details of Cathy's story and ended up with a garbled memory about an encounter with the politician that never felt real. Unfortunately the details of her story were so mixed up with an emerging memory of the politician that I still am unable to separate them back out. I call this a memory scramble." Like scrambling two eggs together, it is nearly impossible, once the amnesic gap is filled with external information, to "unscramble" the pure memory from the gap filler.


You speak of a number of groups in a network of mind control abuse. Some elements of government agencies (CIA, NSA, NASA), and some not (organized crime, an occult/aryan network, the "Octopus"). Could you tell us something about the structure of that network: how you saw the groups relating to one another, and what hierarchy, if any, you observed?

As a human slave, I was not privy to information concerning the network's structure, other than what I was told and what I observed. Anything that the perpetrators told me could have been designed to confuse and misinform me.

Most people know that the CIA, NSA, and other U.S. federal intelligence agencies are not self-contained. Their budgets must be approved by on a regular basis. Some of the agencies, and some of their representatives, also report to Congresspersons, special committees, and even the President on a regular basis. It is not uncommon for a person in one agency to transfer to another agency or committee or department. Some of these agencies and intelligence departments and committees are almost incestuous. As most of you know, President Bush Sr. was a CIA director years before he became vice president, then president. This means that our current president is the son of a former CIA director a fact that, oddly enough, is rarely mentioned in the media. The media also fails to mention that our current presidents grandfather, Prescott Bush, reportedly had business interactions with Hitler, as did J.F.K.s father. This is a family connection that may have affected some politicians decisions about whether or not to keep the Aryan networks existence quiet.

One must also consider that, while working shoulder-to-shoulder with Nazi war criminals who were willing to share information gained from their prior human experiments in concentration camps, some of our government employees and contractors may have become close friends with the Nazi immigrants. After all, these men (and women?) were human. They were not monsters. Some of them might have even been quite likeable!

It is my understanding that NASA was, at least in the past, part of the overall network because NASA was initially formed by members of the same groups of Nazi war criminals who were brought to the U.S. by our government from the 1940s, on. This includes, of course, Werner Von Braun. Linda Hunts Secret Agenda: The United States Government, Nazi Scientists and Project Paperclip, 1945 to 1990 can give you more information about this. My personal belief, based on information I have received from several private investigators, is that the CIA and other intelligence agencies have worked hand-in-hand with NASA, and some of its employees and departments, to further mind-control experimentation. Although some of NASAs programs are certainly legitimate, including space exploration, I believe that NASA is involved in much more than that, and that NASA has been used to hide certain activities within its own organizational borders. I believe this has been a shell game, in that - when the CIA was investigated certain records and activities were simply moved to a cooperative sister agency, which enabled CIA spokespersons to speak truthfully when they claimed that the MKULTRA type experiments had been discontinued! As one spook, who confirmed my theory, would often say: same old same old.

It is also fairly common knowledge, although the CIA will continue to vociferously deny it, that the CIA has been involved in drug smuggling activities for decades, including via their Air America operations during the Vietnam War, to bring in additional money for their black budget type activities. I was a witness to massive street drug manufacturing and distributions, and was occasionally forced to smuggle illegal drugs and deliver verbal messages to participants in these illegal activities. Does this mean that the CIA, across the board, is guilty of involvement in drug smuggling and more? Of course not. Again, there are probably individuals, and groups of individuals, within the Company and other agencies who are involved in such activities, while fellow employees are completely unaware that such illegal activities continue.

How does organized crime fit in to the network? Alex Constantine has written a number of informative books that connect the dots between such organizations. My basic understanding is that individuals and small groups from certain government agencies regularly cooperate with, and do business with, organized crime families and networks. This is purely business. Its about money, period. Huge amounts of money.

Some government employees especially spooks and spook wannabes - are sociopaths with criminal agendas. Such employees will use whatever is at their disposal to get whatever they want in life. Its really as simple as that. Life gets even easier for these criminals when they are able to use their agencies resources to entrap, and then either blackmail or coerce certain politicians, including those on Congressional oversight committees, to vote and act in their favor. I was forced to participate in some blackmail activities with D.C. level politicians. I know who they are. And from what I know about them, some of them are very unhappy about being unable to do what is honorable and right. They have to go along with the perpetrators, because if the truth were told about what they had done in the past, their careers and reputations would be permanently destroyed. I feel sorry for them, and consider them to also be victims.

Now for the Aryan network. Im fairly convinced that it has strong connections with several U.S. intelligence agencies for the following reasons: 1) many Aryan cell (local) groups were formed by Nazi immigrants who were secretly smuggled into the US by the OSS/CIA, U.S. Army, and so on; 2) personal and business relationships developed between some of the immigrants and a number of US government employees and contractors, some of whom continue to wield considerable political power; 3) our governments credibility would be severely damaged if the world were to be presented with sufficient proof that government employees not only allowed but assisted Nazi war criminals in torturing, raping, terrorizing, and even medically murdering American and Canadian children as part of secretive CIA experiments; 4) I know for a fact that some of our most influential movers and shakers are covert Aryans; 5) every one of the Aryan cell groups that I spent time with in the past had actively participated in underground/black-marketing activities, including Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children (CSEC), child trafficking, adult slave trafficking, drug and illegal weapons trafficking, and more; 7) every one of the Aryan cell groups that I spent time with also was actively involved in breeding babies to be used for human experimentation and slavery, and was also actively involved in using MKULTRA and other CIA mind control techniques to shatter the psyches of the child victims. (I believe this was done to prepare such children to be used by our government, in the future, to perform secretive, illegal activities that could not be traced back to the CIA, NSA, etc.)

The criminal occult ritual abuse connection is no coincidence; neither are ongoing attempts to cover-up its existence. Again, such crimes against children and adults are usually, although not always, committed by groups that operate in secret, in environments that keep "outsiders" from discovering their criminal activities.

Criminal occult ritual abuse is an extreme form of trauma. It is very effective when used to shatter a young victims psyche and create Dissociative Identity Disorder in that childs mind. I know of no quicker, or more effective, way to severely dissociate a child victim. Unfortunately, most of the Nazi immigrants I met as a child were fervent devotees of a religion that Hitler also seemed to strongly adhere to. This religion, which I consider Lucifer Ian, involved the literal worship of the sun and the accompanying belief that one could literally be reenergized by the suns rays and thereby become a god.

Unfortunately, their religious practices included those from ancient Egypt, freemasonry, the Kabala, and sometimes practices promoted by Great Britains Aleister Crowley. Those practices are especially bestial and dangerous especially for children. Some of the Nazis believed that they could also be reenergized by ingesting the blood of tortured and/or dying babies, and by sexual interactions with children, animals, and more. I dont need to go into details about how such religious activities could severely traumatize child survivors, thereby making them excellent candidates for mind control experiments!

I would like to bring attention to one more connection: in the 1990s, a new non-profit organization, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, was instrumental in discrediting the recovered memories of survivors of sexual and criminal occult ritual abuse. I do not believe it is a coincidence that the FMSF was initially created by Dr. Martin Orne, Pamela and Peter Freyd, and several other individuals who either had been directly involved in the CIAs MKULTRA subprogram or were directly related to individuals who had been. (You can find information about some of the connections between members of the FMSF and MKULTRA research on my web page.) Ironically, quite a few MKULTRA survivors have independently remembered, and identified, some of these same individuals as perpetrators who had harmed us when we were MKULTRA child subjects.


Im interested in your assessment of disinformation regarding the subject of mind control. How widespread have you found it, and what are some of its distinguishing characteristics? How can those of us outside the survivor community guard against it?

I have found such disinformation to be fairly widespread in literature and Internet articles about mind control. This is, in part, because gullible writers will cite disinformation agents.

Before I go further, I must mention that nearly all of the disinfo agents have been independently identified by at least several recovering mind-control survivors as actual mind-control perpetrators who did harm to those survivors in the past either as mental programmers, or as handlers. One of the identified perpetrators has acknowledged having been a CIA employee in the past, and has also admitted to still being connected to the CIA.

Some of the common signs Ive found in materials written by disinfo agents are:

1. The agents usually lure one or two outspoken, fairly credible mind-control survivors by wooing them and/or promising to protect the survivors. Some of the agents have actually influenced the survivors to allow the agents into their homes, sex lives, and bank accounts. These agents have then gained illegitimate credibility by encouraging their new protgs to co-write with the agents and appear with the agents at conferences on mind control.

2. The agents promote disinfo-laden conspiracy theories through themselves and their protgs. For instance, a current joint conspiracy among recognized disinfo agents is to frighten people into believing that: the high-level perpetrators (world-ranking politicians, etc.) are really shape-shifting aliens in human bodies who have already, in secret, created a New World Order that is in the process of changing all of us into mentally controlled slaves. (It is not difficult for identified disinfo agents, who are masters in mental manipulation and hypnosis, to convince the highly suggestible protgs that they saw high-ranking politicians morph into lizard aliens and back again.) By buying into this disinfo, we are likely to either become irrational, or to melt into puddles of helplessness and fear. I believe that as long as they focus our attention onto subjects like this that are likely to push our panic buttons, they will render us nearly, if not totally ineffective in learning the truth and using it effectively.

3. By feeding other bits and pieces of false information to the protg survivors, they use the survivors to promote even more disinformation. Hearing such disinfo from both the agents and their protgs causes us to be more likely to believe that the disinfo must therefore be legitimate. My biggest concern about this, is that the protgs are not only adding an undeserved sheen of credibility to the disinfo agents and their lies, but the protgs are also being used to influence the public to believe that ALL mind-control survivors must believe the same lies. Beyond that, any individual who is educated or smart enough to recognize the disinfo as such, may therefore not trust information provided by those of us who are presenting legitimate information.

4. Another interesting factor is that most of the more outspoken disinfo agents present together at conferences that either pander to conspiracy theorists and/or to the sector that is pro-Aryan and/or Patriot. Not all people in the Patriot movement are pro-Aryan. However, I have learned that most of the mind-control disinfo agents are, privately if not publicly, avowed racists. This would seem to be a rather odd connection, if one did not know that many Aryan organizations and cell groups use trauma-based mind control on their members, to ensure their submission and compliance.

5. Some of the disinfo agents have indicated, publicly, that they are against other disinfo agents while still working with them behind the scenes.

6. Some disinfo agents will claim that they were harmed or worse, by bad guys, to shut them up, but cannot provide any real proofs of such occurrences.

7. When disinfo agents are being outed by legitimate survivors and concerned investigators and journalists, the agents will usually accuse the survivors of being disturbed or misled, and/or will accuse both the survivors and other concerned parties of working for the CIA, NWO, etc. to silence them.

8. Most disinfo agents have a strange aura of charisma and can easily suck people in, mentally and emotionally. Further, they can influence gullible individuals to believe their information without providing sufficient proofs that the information is legitimate. This is perhaps the most important sign that one should look for, internally, when in the presence of a disinfo agent. If one feels a need to relax for just a little while and check his/her brains at the door, one is probably already coming under the influence of the agents hypnotic skills.

9. Not all disinfo agents are public speakers. Some keep a lower profile. The more outspoken agents will, on occasion, quote the less-outspoken agents lies to add further credibility to their own materials and presentations.


Have you had any contact, either as an alter or as a survivor, with perpetrators or victims of the "Franklin Cover-Up"?

I need to mention several things, before I answer this set of questions. First, I still have a lot of memory gaps and may never remember everywhere Ive been, and everyone Ive met. Second, a lot of the people who I met used aliases. Third, there are people mentioned in the book who it is not in my best interest to name; therefore, I will share information without giving their names. Fourth, there are some persons mentioned in the book who I will never name as individuals from my past. Unfortunately, after they die, they are often sainted. Its a no-win situation for me to name them, alive or dead. Fifth, I did not live in Nebraska. I lived in Pennsylvania, then Maryland, then metro Atlanta, Georgia, with a 3-year stint in Chicago. Therefore, I probably never had a reason to meet the Nebraska locals. Finally, I need to mention that I will not go into further details beyond what I share below. Now for my answers:

1. One of my black op handlers was a PsyOps expert/lawsuit-happy Satanist/flaming pedophile mentioned in the book. That person later participated in revictimizing and terrorizing me during a group assault in 1997, after I had gone public during an interview as part of the CKLN radio series on mind control.

2. Although I have no memory of ever going to Boys Town, my maternal grandfather, who claimed to be OSS/CIA and was instrumental in involving me as a child in MKULTRA and beyond, took his annual vacations at Boys Town and often sent donations to them. I always thought it was strange that he went there for vacation; and I especially thought it strange that he sent them money, given that he was a very stingy and selfish man. Knowing what I know now, it makes sense - he was a pedophile.

3. A certain former, very high-ranking politician who also was connected in the past to the CIA was one of my primary owners. I performed a number of illegal activities for him, including assassinations. I also unfortunately couriered children, by air, to D.C. so that he could have at them. The children were instructed to call me Aunt. That politician was also a flaming pedophile and probably still is. It is definitely not in my best interest to publicly name him during this current political climate. Although he now keeps a lower profile, I still consider him to be an extremely dangerous.

4. I met and had some dealings with two former CIA Directors mentioned in the book. One Director was total pond scum. An especially secretive pedophile, he personally gave me as a butterfly for #3s collection when I was an older teenager (this was probably an allusion to the code name for their mind-control slavery operation, Project Monarch) The other Director was refreshingly honest and I sincerely admired him. Although he knew what was going on, but never seemed happy about it. Unfortunately, he was later terminated.

5. The CIA goes without saying. Read my book for more information.

6. I was introduced to another very high-ranking politician who was mentioned in the book, albeit not as a perpetrator. The person who presented my free services to that man, who had just entered office, was a very corrupt, former high-ranking politician. The potential recipient had the moral rectitude to reject my services as a free assassin, but appeared to be compromised later by another sent-in slave whose training was more to his tastes.

7. My father, who was my primary mental programmer and tormentor, was big into the teachings and practices of Aleister Crowley. Dad incorporated them into his extremely gory, murderous occult rituals particularly in the 60s.

8. The George Town Club sounds VERY familiar I was used at least one time in a similar building in the D.C. area that was used for the purposes mentioned in the book, to compromise and blackmail D.C. politicians. (Although my primary training was in black ops, I also had alter-states that were trained and used from childhood on - to sexually service both males and females.)

9. I was exposed to a NSC staff member mentioned in the book. I knew him as a dangerous, totally sociopathic covert operative who definitely had no concern for human life and enjoyed raping female slaves in brutal ways. For that reason, I am amused by his altered public persona as a moral right-wing hero and political commentator.


You mention you heard George HW Bush referred to as the "webmeister." Can you tell me what you think that might mean? Did you hear his name in other contexts?

First of all, one of CIA insiders code-names for the Agency was The Web. Other Directors may have also been dubbed webmeister, but I only remember Bush Sr. being called it by CIA employees who were in the loop. There seemed to be several reasons why he was given the name:

1. The inclusion of the word meister (as opposed to master) alluded to his fathers business connections to Hitler, and the Directors own alleged Aryan leanings.

2. I was told that Bush Sr. was unusually adept at using the Agencys resources the threads and links of the web to further his personal goals. This included his making connections with many influential people, and utilizing information, that he would not have otherwise had access to. (My suspicion is that he has continued to home this particular skill since he left the CIA.) He seemed to be especially respected for this skill because he did it quietly and without fanfare, which continues to be one of his trademarks.

3. They also called him the webmeister because he was the head of the Web.

4. Individuals who were skilled in hypnotic mind control and mental programming were given the honorary title of master. For this reason, he was considered a master on more than one level.


A point of resistance to accepting the validity of survivors' stories is that the crimes are simply too horrific to comprehend. Many will say, "Why would the government do such things to children?" How would you respond to that?

Having been tortured and much more for decades by numerous sadistic individuals who have worked for and/or have been contracted by certain U.S. government agencies, I have had to work very hard not paint our entire federal government with a broad black brush. In reality, certain individuals, and groups of individuals, had specific personal agendas that other employees were unaware of. I have remembered that some of the people who participated in what was done to me and other children as part of MKULTRA experiments exhibited facial and body expressions that indicated that they were very uncomfortable about what was being done to us.

A factor that must be considered, is that most of the more secretive, more highly illegal experiments were perpetrated in secretive locations and environments that "outsiders" would not have been aware of. I believe that in any group, there may be individuals who have more of a penchant for harming fellow humans. If you were to put a group in a closed, inaccessible environment and then remove commonly accepted rules of morality and legal constraints, I believe that some of the individuals in the group not only will willingly harm innocents targeted by the group, but will also encourage other members of the group to relax their own morals standards and do likewise. This problem would be much greater, of course, if the group has explicit permission from government officials to break the law.

If you will think about what happened at Abu Ghraib - the secrecy; the implicit (if not explicit) permission to ignore legal constraints; participants and persons in charge who enjoyed harming others; and more - you can see how this can happen. The outside world will understandably be horrified by the survivors stories. This is because, by and large, because we are generally unaware of such atrocities and are therefore not desensitized enough to accept such survivors stories at face value. Its a part of life that is extremely ugly and unpleasant. Of course we do not want to believe that fellow humans are capable of, and willing to do, such horrific things to other humans!

Lets go one step further. Why would perpetrators do to children, what was done to us? I think that the reasons would vary from one perpetrator to the next.

Perhaps the most common reason is that at least some of the perpetrators were unconsciously reenacting abuse that they had endured in their own childhoods. An abused child usually has no power. That child may decide, either consciously or unconsciously, that some day when he/she is big enough, he/she will be the one in charge. Its easy for such a person to take the next step as he or she becomes larger, and pour out his/her childhood rage on the next generation of vulnerable children.

Some of the adults who were involved in the experiments, and who did not seem upset by what was done to us, may not have been victimized as children. Instead, they may have stayed in a scientific, cerebral mode. Some seemed so into logic and abstract thought that they may not have been capable of empathizing with other humans. My father was an electrical, chemical and mechanical engineer. I noticed that he, and some of his fellow engineers that he worked with at Western Electric, seemed to have that same emotional disconnection.

In an odd way, I consider myself fortunate that I was repeatedly exposed, as a child, to researchers who were absolutely brilliant. Although I suffered from their inability to recognize, and feel, the effects of what they did to me, their genius and creativity powerfully challenged my mind and helped it develop much more than it otherwise may have. This continues to be to my benefit, although I also choose to work hard on developing empathy towards others.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:33 PM
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1. Excellent interview MB
but not sure if I should be thanking you :scared:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:44 PM
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16. Why are you scared? Bush is the one who should be scared.
#213 - His Refusal to Support the 9-11 Commission

The 9-11 commission continues to be frustrated by the Bush administration's lack of cooperation during its investigation. What is Bush afraid the commissioners will find? We thought the importance of learning from our mistakes in the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor was supposed to be greater than politics. But it seems that's only true is you're not running for re-election.

The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said on Thursday that it was pressing the White House to explain why the Bush administration had blocked thousands of pages of classified foreign policy and counterterrorism documents from former President Bill Clinton's White House files from being turned over to the panel's investigators.

The White House confirmed on Thursday that it had withheld a variety of classified documents from Mr. Clinton's files that had been gathered by the National Archives over the last two years in response to requests from the commission, which is investigating intelligence and law enforcement failures before the attacks.

Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said some Clinton administration documents had been withheld because they were "duplicative or unrelated," while others were withheld because they were "highly sensitive" and the information in them could be relayed to the commission in other ways. "We are providing the commission with access to all the information they need to do their job," Mr. McClellan said.

The commission and the White House were reacting to public complaints from former aides to Mr. Clinton, who said they had been surprised to learn in recent months that three-quarters of the nearly 11,000 pages of files the former president was ready to offer the commission had been withheld by the Bush administration. The former aides said the files contained highly classified documents about the Clinton administration's efforts against Al Qaeda. (from the New York Times)

SOURCE:

http://www.525reasons.com/archives/000663.html#000663
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:52 PM
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2. This is really something
That poor lady.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:58 PM
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3. Poppy isn't really a wimp.
Hey DU! George Herbert Walker Bush may not even be a nice man.

Wake up, America! Here's some real work from Minstrel Boy's interview:

You mention you heard George HW Bush referred to as the "webmeister." Can you tell me what you think that might mean? Did you hear his name in other contexts?

First of all, one of CIA insiders code-names for the Agency was The Web. Other Directors may have also been dubbed webmeister, but I only remember Bush Sr. being called it by CIA employees who were in the loop. There seemed to be several reasons why he was given the name:

1. The inclusion of the word meister (as opposed to master) alluded to his fathers business connections to Hitler, and the Directors own alleged Aryan leanings.

2. I was told that Bush Sr. was unusually adept at using the Agencys resources the threads and links of the web to further his personal goals. This included his making connections with many influential people, and utilizing information, that he would not have otherwise had access to. (My suspicion is that he has continued to home this particular skill since he left the CIA.) He seemed to be especially respected for this skill because he did it quietly and without fanfare, which continues to be one of his trademarks.

3. They also called him the webmeister because he was the head of the Web.

4. Individuals who were skilled in hypnotic mind control and mental programming were given the honorary title of master. For this reason, he was considered a master on more than one level.

# # #

Thank you for sharing, Minstrel San. (In Inspector Clousseau's voice): Someday I'll see that you are a Minstrel Man.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 01:01 PM
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4. Excellent job, MB.
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 01:06 PM by FrustratedDemInNC
This information is difficult to absorb even knowing the history of the CIAs MKULTRA projects.

There is a new documentary I've recently viewed on LINK TV re: Frank Olsen and Project Artichoke, well worth viewing, imo. There are many connections to the people and techniques dicussed in K. Sullivan's interview. It's related.

Edited to add this information is recent with additional info re: the case:


The Family of Frank R. Olson, January 19, 2005


Code Name Artichoke
snip

We asked the Representatives and Senators to whom we wrote to help organize an inquiry at the Federal level to investigate and finally resolve this matter of Frank Olson's death, which has so-long troubled the Olson family and many other Americans as well, and which is so pertinent to contemporary policy discussions in this country.

Not a single Congressional representative or Senator responded to our letter, or even acknowledged receipt of it.

As for the CIA's alleged "cooperation" in investigating this matter in the 1970's, the New York Times characterized the package of documents the Agency provided to the family in 1975, which purported to account for what had happened to Frank Olson, as "a jumble of deletions, conflicting statements, unintelligible passages and such unexplained terms as the 'Artichoke Committee' and 'Project Bluebird' that tend to confuse more than enlighten." NY Times Article

This collection of CIA documents released to us directly from the hand of Director William Colby was about a hundred pages in length (not "thousands" as the CIA claims). The Agency said it was all they had on the incident.

The CIA then flat-out refused to help us understand those documents or to provide witnesses to explain them.

more

http://www.worldlinktv.org/programming/index.php3
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 01:24 PM
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5. Amazing and Chilling
thanks for posting - question though - so is Kathleen Sullivan writing a book or written a book that names names? Cathy O'Brien certainly did. Just wondering. I'd like to know who everyone of these politicians are and regardless of Repub or Dem - to seem them all behind bars for the rest of their lives.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 01:46 PM
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6. She's written a book titled Unshackled.
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 01:46 PM by Minstrel Boy
There are links for it on her website.

O'Brien's book has, I think, a lot of disinfo (for instance, the "shape-shifting"). I think she likely was victimized, but that she's still controlled (her partner is "formerly" CIA), and her memories scrambled.

I've read a number of recovering survivors warn other survivors to stay away from them.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 01:52 PM
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7. thanks, very interesting read. eom.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 02:55 PM
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8. Kick and rec
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:00 PM
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9. quite disturbing
well done interview.. it makes one feel sick, but her story must be heard. thanks
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:30 PM
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10. what the hey - kick n/t
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 06:05 PM
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11. Kick for the evening crowed.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 06:43 PM
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12. This is important
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 06:53 PM
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13. Scary Realities
:kick:
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 08:20 PM
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14. Recommended for Greatest Page

Along similar lines, you guys/gals should check out the CIA's Greatest Hits.

There's a good summary of it here:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/CIA_GreatestHi...

(the rest of the website is great, too)
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:26 PM
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15. Bump....this is page 1 material

nt.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:04 AM
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17. Kick!
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:34 AM
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18. agreed
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 10:04 AM
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19. Great read, MB.
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