Is Bush press aide gay?

[rawstory]

(Washington) An online investigative journalism site Monday suggested that White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan is gay and was a regular at gay bars in Texas.

Quoting an unnamed source, The Raw Story reported that McClellan visited an Austin, Texas gay bar on March 19, 1995. The date was fixed in the mind of the source because a local memorial service was held the same day that McClellan attended.

Raw Story, which has outed other anti-gay Republicans, said its source "reserved comment on whether McClellan was actually gay, but said he was frequently seen at gay clubs." It says that another source confirmed McClellan was a regular at gay clubs.

McClellan is an Austin native.

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/02/021405whAide.htm

Hmmm....

[Kimber Scott]

1. ROFLMFAO! Now we know how Gannon got in the White House! It

was a "service" call. Either that, or good old fashioned blackmail.

:silly:

[despairing optimist]

23. McClellan: I called on Gannon for auto emissions, not autofellatio

The GOP needed a soft question to show its commitment to the environment, and Jeff rose to the occasion.

[ohkay]

2. Not. Relevant.

Let's not Out people before they are ready. Not cool.

[sonicx]

4. Gays who support anti-gay agendas...

are hypocrites. That's what it's about.

[TwentyFive]

6. I Disagree!

Gays should EXPOSE these people because they attack gays.

If a politican attacks the gay community....gays should use every legal trick in the book to defeat that administration.

[Skip Intro]

8. Disagree. Its really outing them as hypocrites anyway.

And they're more than eager to talk about other peoples' sex lives, and even write laws against those who give the wrong answers.

[atreides1]

10. Another Time I Would Agree With You

But the hypocrisy of this administration has to be brought out into the light, and shown for what it really is to those who support it and its' policies, especially when one of those items on their agenda is a Constitutional amendment to make one group of Americans
second class citizens.

Especially when the fundies seem to have a closer connection with this administration, then ever before.

[uppityperson]

13. That's it exactly. OK under this condition

Sexual preference is up to the individual. Period. None of my business. However, I'm for showing the hypocracies of the Bushites and rightwingers so out them.

sorry edited to add more.

[ldf]

20. the term "preference"

only applies to bisexuals.

just a little educatin' for ya.

;-)

[uppityperson]

47. Yup, sorry. My mind is blank, sexual (leaning? nope) what?

Oh, orientation?

[ldf]

18. THIS homoxual

says out the bastard.

republicans are hypocrisy personified.

the sooner americans see that they are NOT what they preach, the sooner they will turn on them.

hopefully.

i'm willing to forego the assumption of privacy in these cases.

if they aren't out there doing everything they can to hurt the rest of us gays, then they deserve privacy.

otherwise, i say we tear that closet door off the hinges.

:grr:

[Laurab]

57. Relevant and necessary in cases like this

When it's the very same people who are attacking gays, attempting to keep them from having basic human/civil rights, and making them out to be monsters, they should be outed. When they are people in powerful positions, who are using their positions to attack innocent people, who are the same as they are, only honest about it, it should be done, and done mercilessly. Just as they attack gays. Hypocrite is far too weak a word to describe people like that.

[Cannikin]

3. In this case, I'm a mo that does not agree. Out' em.

[sonicx]

5. Good job getting cited, rawstory...

:hi:

[VegasWolf]

7. We all knew that Guckert had something on MCClellan, *or under

him* . Homo's in the White House, this should get the
pickup driving Republicans going.

[spotbird]

9. I want this to be true more than anyone.

But a report that he was at a bar a decade ago just isn't worthy of scandal status. If he is gay there should be more recent and more substantial verification.

[meisje]

25. deleted

[regionalprogressive]

11. Outing everyone

I didnt realize this site's purpose was outing homosexuals.

[ldf]

22. didn't you read the mission statement?

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[realisticphish]

26. lol nt

[Name removed]

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[VegasWolf]

30. Double LOL! n/t

[regionalprogressive]

34. I must have mised that part.

But I can get into it. My blue healer humps my border collie (both males). He's out now.

[ultraist]

61. LOL!!! HOMOPHOBIC BUSH ADMIN HIRES GAY PROSTITUTE!!!

[spotbird]

48. Only the gay prostitutes and the people they service

in the White House.

In general the only other gays that are outed have professed hatred for themselves, so our efforts in that reagrd are purely compassionate. These people need to learn to love themselves for who they are.

[DianeG5385]

12. We are treading dangerous ground, folks,

Gannon is fair game since he appears to be a GOP plant with no journalistic credentials who may have been involved in the Valerie Plame outing. That's the real story. His gayness is a side note. Anyone who outs Scott McClennan is setting us up to be accused as gay bashers and in my mind whether he is or isn't is irrelevant and we will be walking in to a well-crafted trap set up by the GOP to defuse the real story. Don't play that game. Scotty's personal life is none of our biz.

[foreigncorrespondent]

60. That is why...

...if anyone is going to be outing people then it should be people from the gay community ONLY. They cannot com back with the "gay bashers" line, if in fact it is queers that are doing the outing.

That is also why the "so and so is gay" threads need to stop here at DU. All those kinds of threads are managing to do is piss off a lot of the LGBTIQQ members of DU (myself included), and giving the site a really bad reputation. But alas no one will listen to me when I tell them to let the gay community take care of the outing. People are just to damn caught up in rumors and making fun of others instead of seeing what the bigger picture is.

[ultraist]

62. Your point is well taken, but, the gay component is going to lead to WHO

issued Gannon a pass under a fake name. AND, the homophobic Bush admin is once again, being shown to be hypocritcal.

But, yes, it opens the door for gay bashing if people are reckless. We don't need a feeding frenzy.

We CANNOT let a general gay witch hunt ensue.

[foreigncorrespondent]

64. ultraist,

THANK YOU!!!

We CANNOT let a general gay witch hunt ensue.

That is EXACTLY what is happening with the release of the Gannon story. People are going on a gay witch hunt and it is getting out of hand.

[ultraist]

66. We do need to be cautious

But, I am not totally opposed to outing someone directly linked to this situation, like McClellan to point out the hypocrisy or chase down the lead as to WHO hired Gannon to be a propaganda operative and leaked the Plame info to him.

I agree though, we DO need to be mindful. Considering the ongoing witch hunt against gays that the Repukes are engaging in and the long standing history of anti gay movements, we really are treading on thin ice.

I've already seen posts that called a gay poster called "overly sensitive" and "homophobic" for being concerned about this turning into a witch hunt, so there IS a propensity for it to happen.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

14. Isn;t he married?

I know I know, he can still be gay and married. Just saying, though. . .

[bluestateguy]

15. Do it, Do it, DO IT! Out him!

Out them all!

Linsey Graham is next and then Ken Starr!

[regionalprogressive]

17. Im not sure we want everyone "outed".

Im not sure we want everyone "outed". I mistakenly went into a gay bar once, for a minute. Im outed now I guess.

The enemy has won when you are them.

[Mountainman]

24. We aren't outing anyone, we are responding to the story.

[Neshanic]

32. Very. Relevant. Bush seems to circle himself with self-loathing gays.

[progressivebydesign]

36. File that under: Birds of a Feather. n/t

[karlrschneider]

49. Well, gosh, I went into a straight bar once. Er, a thousand times...does

that mean I'm "inned"?
:evilgrin:

[thebigidea]

50. well, give us a ring when we start wars based on lies

[spotbird]

51. Don't be silly.

Scott could be as queer as a three dollar bill for all we know, if he is I'll do my fair share that he gets in touch with his true self, unless Scott wants to try honesty for himself first. We just need more proof.

The point you miss that the contempt these people have for themselves is projected onto others who are comfortable in their own skin. They need to stop inflicting misery on others if they'd like to be left alone.

[Laurab]

59. Good point, also

not only do they project the contempt, some of their friends are in the position of being able to propose laws, that could affect the lives of the people who are comfortable in their own skin. I would imagine it could be difficult to be comfortable in your own skin when you are constantly under attack by your own government.

Quite honestly, I don't give a damn if shrub himself is gay - the part I care about is the anti-gay message the administration tries to force down everyone elses throat. Remember - thanks to this administration, supposedly a very high percentage of Americans are far more concerned about gays and whether they can get married, than they are anything else. That is absurd, and THAT'S what makes it important.

[ultraist]

67. I hope you are joking and not being overzealous

[VegasWolf]

16. Like someone else said, this Gannon story is a gift that just keeps

on giving!

[SnowBack]

19. Another Gay vote for outing....

Gay people who work to oppress other Gay people deserve to be outed. Period.

If they hate themselves, fine. But when it affects the rights of the rest of us, the media has a responsibility to out em..

[countmyvote4real]

You summed it up for me, Snow.

I was prepared to respond to a number of messages in this thread, but when I got to your post, you already said it perfectly.

Thank you.

[ultraist]

63. They CHOSE to be in the public eye and support HOMOPHOBIC policies

I agree. If they were concerned about the privacy of their sexual orientation, they should have not pursued public life and been associated with a homophobic administration or political party.

[Mountainman]

21. I wish we'd learn some day soon that one of them gave Bush a hummer

in the oval office. Now that would beat Monica's BJ's hands down!

[Hell in a Handbasket]

28. I'm sure the MSM would drop it.

besides, there arent special prosecuters anymore.

[Disturbed]

29. Is the Silverspoon Sociopath...

Bi or totally gay?

[meisje]

27. I delivered a pizza to a gay bar in '94 I guess I'm gay too!

This is lame and seems desperate

[VegasWolf]

33. That depends on how you got your tip. n/t

[NYC Liberal]

37. Yes, but it says he frequented gay bars.

Not that he was just seen at one once for a few minutes.

[progressivebydesign]

38. No. it's about collusion and influence. And WHY Gannon got access. n/t

[VegasWolf]

39. I guess Gannon just "boned up" on his WH buddy Scott.n/t

[RPM]

31. wow - is this what it's come to here at DU?!?!?!

c'mon guys - really; 'nuff with the gay stuff.

:eyes:

[Neshanic]

40. Nuff with the gay stuff? That's nice, let's talk about real issues.

You know, the ones that really mean something to some people. Not that gay stuff; the oddly gay connection of closeted republicans and their willing helpers. The Andrew Sullivan's that think AIDS is over-rated for a start on the helper list. Then lets go on from there.

It's bad enough that gays have to battle every day for the most insipid things that heterosexuals take for granted. Now we have a God's president and his ever-present squad of Roy Cohens to make his points for him. Scotty's light in the loafers? Well out him.

[RPM]

45. fine - out him for reasons you see fit

dont piss and wail when others are outed by the other side for reasons they see fit.

[Neshanic]

55. McGreevy does not seem worse for the experience.

He is seen in Manhattan, and seems very happy.

Democrats when outed, are greeted with a "yes...and?" They are not stomping the airwaves like the RW/Puritans.

[doxieone]

42. I don't care about Gannon's sexuality, or Scottie's....

but I sure would like to know if the gay issue goes above the Scottie level to the upper layers in the WH.

[RPM]

46. but calling them gay will only reinforce the RW belief that gay = bad

especially when the people who alwyas say gay is not bad are the folks doing it.

Focus on the sex for hire, that is illegal - gay or otherwise.

[progressivebydesign]

35. While it seems barbaric to "out" someone...

.. the logic behind these revelations show that it is not simply a retalitory act. I believe there was another gay press secretary in the White House at one time (?). The POINT is that if you have a press secretary who is gay, and you have an allegedly pimp/prostitute/pornographer that is also gay and WHO is given unprecedented access to the President and the White House, and is used as a tool to mislead the taxpayers, then it IS relevant.

Otherwise.. I could care less if McClellan, Rove, and Bush, were all close personal friends of aka Jeff Gannon. Okay.. it's also the hypocrisy, that's an issue, but not always an issue that warrants outing. The access and criminality and impeachable offences are what we're dealing in right now.

[artemisia1]

41. Who Cares?

While it is interesting to note the hypocrisy of many RW Nutjobs, sexual orientation should not matter professionaly, PERIOD.

[Neshanic]

43. Well now that we have heard from Fantasyland....

[Mojorabbit]

44. I don't like the direction this is going

Outing Gannon is one thing but McClellan is another. He is not in a position to make legislation and his private life should be private. Unless there is solid proof he was complicit in getting Gannon in I think it is a mistake to do.
It will blur the whole point of outing Gannon. They will just dump McClellan and say they knew nothing about any of it.It should be the point that he was a gay prostitute with no journalism credentials and spouting propaganda that is the point that needs to be made.
I have family members who are gay and I would be horrified if anyone did this to them.

[Zenlitened]

52. I agree. I definitely believe in outing hypocrites...

... but we need to choose our targets carefully.

It's not a question of whether Gannon/Guckert is gay or straight. It's that he's a propaganda hack, with unheard-of access to the president and possibly to classified info as well.

As for McClellan, he's just a spokesman. Better to go after the closeted policymakers and lawmakers who are making life miserable for gays and lesbians.

[ultraist]

65. McClellan is a PUBLIC figure that works for a homophobic admin, fuck him

He has opened himself up by being an asshole Repuke.

[UdoKier]

53. I don't care if Simple Scotty's gay.

It's his moronic, talking-point non-answers to every question that bug the hell out of me.

[Neshanic]

54. What you don't see.

If you are not homosexual, then you have not experienced the following.

The very nature of discovery that you are gay is a deeply personal, soul-searching and gut-wrenching process. Yes, there are people who have seemed to glide from guy stud to guy gay, and seem not any worse for the wear. These though are the exceptions.

The process of coming out and deciding to be who who want to be involves a process of HONESTY. Honesty to yourself, a realization that being gay is part of you like your own skin. coming to that point where you expose youself to the openess of ridicule, rejection, and a very rough life is a step forward and it involves you being as clear and honest with yourself as you can be; everything is on the line. The nicest, kindest, and most thoughtfull people you will meet though; they have been through what you have been through.

The gay republican closet cases are loathsome on two levels. The honesty, the being true to oneself, and sympathy for ones that have difficulty are lost on them. That element of honesty is instead replaced with stepping on those who struggle with coming out, and by their endless capacity to serve their own craven interests instead of remembering.

That's why outing of republicans is good. No matter how. They have no honesty. No moral honesty; the kind that would make a gay man hesitate to serve a schmuck in his administration.

It's the honesty folks. Not your gay nephew, not your gay architect. It's honesty to oneself; the inner honesty that you know what you are doing is right.

They know of no such thing.

[Straight Shooter]

56. Did Scotty arrange preferential treatment for Gannon?

There's the story as regards Scotty. I don't care why he did it, whether it's because he thinks Gannon is hot or because Gannon is his secret lover. I don't care. But clearly Gannon, a third-rate wannabe journalist, received privileges he never earned.

Whatever happened to the party of personal responsibility? Who is going to step up and take responsibility for this fiasco, who will admit to abetting this criminal in the "do as I say, don't do as I do" administration?

[Maddy McCall]

58. SO WHAT?!

I am a straight woman. I have guy friends who are straight. We have visited gay bars NUMEROUS times with our gay friends. We weren't going to look for gay action; we went because our good friends enjoyed going. After all, our gay friends went to "straight" bars with us, too.

Just because someone is "frequently sighted" in a gay bar does NOT make them gay--instead, maybe it makes them more open-minded than we would like to admit.

Let's stick to what is documented and proven.

Yesterday, Chairman Dean said that he would not respond to any "blind quotes." I thought that this was honorable and gutsy of him. Let us adhere to that same rule. Let's not give more credence to anonymous sources than we should...especially when the info they provide, on its face, isn't damning.

[Carolab]

70. Notice you went with friends.

McClellan went ALONE. Big difference there.

Whether or not he is gay is indeed germane. This administration, including McClellan and his little friend J.D., have been openly anti-gay, which is particularly egregious when they are so obviously gay and/or associated with gays themselves. Furthermore, if it can be established that McClellan and Guckert had a relationship, that is pretty incriminating...after all, WHO leaked the information about Valerie Plame? Can you not imagine that McClellan may have told Guckert who then further leaked it--possibly to Novak and/or others who were "real" journalists, in an effort to impress them? Notice how much he focused on Joe Wilson?

[Al-CIAda]

68. Thanks Rawstory. -eom