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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:16 AM
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Recieved in email: About Canada
I cannot verify this, but it sure sounds good.

Recieved from a right winger who really doesn't like Bush. It's the only thing in politics we agree on.

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Paul Robinson says we can learn a lot about decency and independence from plucky Canada.
You've probably heard that story about the Inuit having 50 words for snow? Well, the sign of a genuine Canadian is that he has 50 words for doughnut. When a glacial wind is howling through Moose Jaw and Medicine Hat and it has been dark for five months in Tuktoyaktuk, Canadians head for Tim Horton's, Dunkin' Donuts, Robin's Donuts, Country Style, Coffee Time, Baker's Dozen, and all the rest of them. When it comes to the perfect doughnut, Canada is the unquestioned world leader.
In the less important matters of world politics and military strategy, Canada is rarely seen as a leader.
Indeed, Canada-bashing is now very much in vogue, especially in right-wing circles in Britain and America. Canadians themselves tend to be self-deprecating. But insist enough, and you will find that under the chuckles about not knowing the words to the national anthem there are fierce patriots who will tell you that Canada is the best country in the world, and mean it.
Indeed, Britons should look to Canada for an example of civilized 21st-century living. There they will find a state which is unafraid of preserving its sovereignty in the face of enormous pressure to integrate with its gigantic neighbor; a state which is prepared to fight when fighting is needed, but which also knows how to make peace when peace is called for; a society which combines prosperity and opportunity for the individual with socialized medicine, a successful system of public education, and far-sighted subsidies to the arts and cultural groups.
Canada really is the best place in the world; a fact repeatedly endorsed by that bete noire of the American Right, the United Nations. But this is far from the prevalent view in the Anglosphere. Canada represents all that the Mark Steyns of the world abhor: peace-loving, half-French, welfare statist - what Pat Buchanan so aptly calls 'Canuckistan'. The latest outrage was Canada's refusal to endorse the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. Prime Minister Jean Chretien has never been invited to the ranch in Texas and almost certainly never will be now, unlike his more subservient British and Australian counterparts. 'Wimps!' shouted the front cover of the US National Review, recommending that America bomb Canada at once. (They forget, of course, that the last time it came to a fight Canada burned down the White House.)
More seriously, there seems to be a widespread delusion that because Canadians are nice, the sort of people who invent UN peacekeeping, promote multilateral institutions and gentle notions such as 'human security' and 'soft power', and advocate international disarmament and the rule of law, they are necessarily lacking in moral fiber. The fact is that while others sat out the first few years of both world wars, the Canadians were in there with Britain from the word go. It was a Canadian unit that took the surrender of the Boers at Paardeburg, a Canadian corps that routed the Germans at Vimy Ridge and Amiens, Canadian warships which convoyed half of all maritime traffic across the Atlantic during the second world war, Canadian infantrymen who held the line at Kapyong in Korea, Canadian airplanes which dropped one third of all the Nato bombs on Yugoslavia in 1999, and Canadian soldiers who died in Afghanistan fighting the War on Terror last year.
When the going got tough at Srebrenica, the Dutch packed up and left. Not many miles away, when the Croatian army had moved in to massacre the population of the Medak pocket, the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry met them head-on. Outnumbered, outgunned, under intense and prolonged fire from machine-guns, mortars, and artillery, the PPCLI held their ground and forced back the murderers, saving the lives of hundreds of defenseless civilians.
Canadians have shown the same ruthless cool on their home ground. When Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau - the epitome of nattily dressed, French-speaking, cheese-eating surrender monkeys - was asked how far he would go to defeat the terrorists of the Front de Liberation du Quebec, he replied, 'Just watch me!' One day later, he declared martial law, deployed tanks in the streets of Montreal, arrested and detained hundreds without trial, and crushed the FLQ in short order. 'There's a lot of bleeding hearts around who just don't like to see people with helmets and guns,' he commented. 'All I can say is, go bleed.'
Canadians know how to fight all right, and when it is needed they catch the torch and take up the quarrel with the foe. But they also have the common sense to know when fighting is not needed. According to the National Post newspaper, the Canadian government reviewed the so-called 'dossiers' on Iraq and dismissed the hype about weapons of mass destruction as unjustified by the facts. In retrospect, we can see that they were right, and that Canadian abstention from the invasion was based on the most sensible assessment of the actual threat.
Canada's commitment to worldwide peace and disarmament is no less fervent than Tony Blair's; merely more effective. Ottawa almost single-handedly, in the face of massive international resistance and through the force of its moral influence alone, persuaded the rest of the world to ban those most deadly and indiscriminate of weapons, land mines. Everybody may remember the fashion plate princess and her Angolan photo-op, but the agreement was called the Ottawa Treaty long before she sailed up to pose with it.
Mirroring American claims that one is 'either with us or against us', a British government minister recently told me that Europeans must choose whether to be allies of, or rivals to, the United States. Canada's example proves that it is possible to find a 'third way'. The Canadians partner, their colossal neighbor when it is right to do so, but stand up to it when they disagree with its plans.
Imagine if Britain had a similarly independent foreign policy! Next time, instead of allowing the EU to destroy British livelihoods and resources through the Common Fisheries Policy, Mr. Blair could follow the Canadian example: Ottawa seized a Spanish fishing vessel by force, then displayed its illegal nets in front of the United Nations building in New York.
Equally, why should Britain feel so pressured to adopt the euro? Canada maintains a separate currency very happily, despite the huge American market right next door.
On a more emotional level as well, Canada offers many parallels for Britons. Canadians are far closer to us than their American cousins. Research shows that American and Canadian values have been diverging significantly in recent years. Thus, while 50 per cent of Americans attend church regularly, only 20 per cent of Canadians claim to. Like Britain, Canada has become a decidedly secular country. It is also a model of multicultural integration. The critics who complain that it is too European only in economic terms - high-tax, low-growth, and stifled by socialist regulation - are simply uninformed. True, there is great regional variety, but Alberta has almost the lowest taxes in North America, and no provincial sales tax whatsoever. Federal and provincial governments across the country have balanced their budgets for years, and in some cases have reduced their state debts to levels inconceivable in Europe or the debt-ridden United States.
Even Canadian culture is surreptitiously conquering the market. From Celine Dion, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette, and Avril Lavigne to the endless collection of exported comedians who dominate the American television and movie market, from Margaret Atwood, Michael Ondaatje and Robert Lepage to the Cirque du Soleil, from the delightfully un-PC humor of the late lamented Mordecai Richler, now enjoying a booming posthumous success in Italy, to the grand old man of Canadian letters, Robertson Davies (who doubled as Master of the wonderful Massey College at the University of Toronto), Canada is surprisingly over-represented. Three of the four finalists for this year's Booker Prize were Canadian.
Canada-bashing should be left to Mark Steyn and the denizens of South Park. A printable excerpt from the lyrics of the latter's theme song runs:

'Blame Canada, Shame on Canada,
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming us.'

The real Canada stands on guard for North American modernity combined with European social enlightenment - and better doughnuts.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:20 AM
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1. I"ve said it before and I'll say it again:
If the Bushistas remain in power after November of 2004, I am taking the kid and moving across the border (not far from me, I'm near Cleveland) to Canada, I don't give a damn if I have a job or not! I have always admired and liked Canada and believed it was much better socially and politically than the US, and Canada allows dual citizenship. I will NOT live in a country that votes for and supports the likes of the fascist, criminal Bushista regime, and I will NOT be able to stand watching him finish the job of totally destroying and trashing this great country.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:22 AM
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2. Just got back from Canada. We are exploring a move to 'somewhare'
in Canada if the * regime is re-selected. It was so peaceful to be out of Bushville for a day or two. I have great admiration for Canada, and knowing what I know, I'm tempted to move their no matter who is elected.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:33 AM
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5. It is, indeed, very peaceful to be in Canada for even
a few days. I'm with you, I might just move there no matter what happens.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:40 AM
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9. Have you also read
that Canada is the third best country in the world to live in? The first two are Scandinavian countries.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:44 AM
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17. and that's only after dropping from more tahn 10 years at no 1
though i think they fell to 8 this year actually
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:29 AM
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3. I'm Looking For A New Home
And half-a-mil in US dollars says I can move anywhere and anytime....

Any anti-Stump, cat-friendly state or country sounds good to me---the doughnuts and food are an added plus.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:32 AM
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4. HALF A MILLION BUCKS?
While I'm stuck working for the man for a louse $25,900 a year, and with two degrees???????? Ooooooooohhhhhhhh, NOW you've ruined my day and turned me all shades of green with envy, lol!
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:52 AM
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19. My Mom Died
I'd trade it all just to have her back....
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:33 AM
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6. Wow.
Thanks, HawkerHurricane. I'm walking a little taller today.

"We should encourage more Americans to come to Canada on vacation. We look like them, we talk like them, and we eat like them; I hear that's what they like in a foreign country." -- Mike MacDonald
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Badger1 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:45 AM
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7. Heading North
We are leaving Saturday for a 10 day vacation in Canada. It's a wonderful place and the people are sincere and honest. We sail Superior to all the small communities on the north shore of the lake. I sooooooo look foreward to it every year.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:42 AM
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15. I'm heading south to Canada
Technically Pointe Pealle is south of Detroit so I am heading south.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:31 AM
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8. Land rush up north
Just had some early baby boomers vist me near Sacramento. They just sold out in So. Cal. and are on their way to Canada. Our dollars go along way across that border. It seems to me that NOW maybe is the time to take your pension (if you are fortunate) north before the hoards of boomers start a mass migration.
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Mike_from_NoVa Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:59 AM
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10. And they gave the world Ice Hockey
There is no better sport in the universe. "Hockey is for everyone."

Canada is America's best friend. Canada is America's smarter brother. Canada is America's top-shelf freezer of cool. Canada will always have a huge place in my heart.

I forgive them for giving us Celine Dion. I forgive them because they also gave us Neil Young and Martin Short.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:06 AM
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11. I have loved every trip to/through Canada I have ever taken
One of the best examples of "Canadian manners" I can think of was when I went to Whistler/Blackcomb, BC a few years back for a snowboarding trip. At on of the lifts, people were coming from two different sides, with about 5-6 different lines roped off on each side.

Now, at a typical US ski resort (especially in NY's Catskills, only 100 mi from NYC), you would need about 4 people directing traffic at the lift lines -- and you would STILL have assholes trying to cut in at every opportunity!

At this Canadian paradise, there was NOBODY working the lines. Everybody just patiently waited their turn, and everything went super-smooth!

I LOVE Canada, and I'm so glad I live only about 275 miles from the border. It's where the wife and I plan to do our next vacation -- with the people and the exchange rate, you can't go wrong!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:53 AM
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20. There's an old joke about how Canadians
love to queue. Glad to see it has some anectdotal foundation!
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:23 AM
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12. I can't wait for the OHL season to begin
Even though Saginaw (nee the North Bay Centennials) had the worst team in the league last season (but we'll be much improved this year). We always sit in the section with the Canadian visitors. They're less drunk, way more knowledgeable about hockey (specifically the Ontario Hockey League variety -- I'm trying to learn about 19 other teams at once) and, best of all, detest the Shrub and his fascist politics.
This from a guy whose Great-grandfather Seaman (dad's side) emigrated from Saskatchewan to fight the Spaniards in 1898, and whose grandfather Garrett (mom's side) went north (actually, south, to Windsor) in 1940 and enlisted in the Canadian Army, serving with those very same Princess Patricia's mentioned above. (It was also troops of the Princess Patricia's who were killed by the chemically stoked-up Illinois National Guard pilots in Afghanistan).
Finally, I'm happy to speculate that Michiganians are the most Canadian of all Yankees. We identify more with Ontario than we do with Ohio or Indiana (the Great Lakes have a lot to do with this). Consider: Saginaw, a metropolitan area of 240,000 or so (city: 62,000) has THREE Tim Horton's shops. And 50 percent of all white Michiganians can claim at least one Canadian ancestor.
Canada is great because it is good. And the United States, if it wishes to be honest with itself, should at least acknowledge the simple fact that we have been blessed with two of the best neighbors any country has, anywhere.
John
Who thanks God daily that he lives but two hours from the border.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:32 AM
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13. If Not For Bush, Then Do It For Tim Horton...
Those donuts RAWK! The coffee's not bad, either.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:37 AM
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14. I spent my last 3 years of high school in Argentia, Nfld, CANADA
It was the most productive and formative period in my life. It is still where I go when I have problems, issues and seek guidance. The people of Canada long ago realized that the necessities of modern life such as transportation, communication and health-care should be provided not sought and should be provided by a mechaninism that could be scrutinized, re-tooled and voted upon. Taxes are necessary after all and should provide services that level the field on which we all play. It's a place where a milkman can be a part of the Parliment and his concerns be respected and acted upon. Canada is what this country could have been if not for the richness of its resoures that drew the bloody crows to our shores.

I long to go back and stay. If anybody in Canada has a use for a professional GC's superintendent or any other endevour where running other peoples people is the way you make revenue........please call and I'll start packing.

Democratic, good, substantial, reality-based, CANADA.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:43 AM
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16. EXCELLENT
As a long time Canadophile I will be passing this on to everyone I knw
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:26 PM
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24. My Father is Dutch, Mother Canadian
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 12:30 PM by dutchdemocrat
Trudeau I always had a lot of respect for as an intellect and a leader. He really just makes Bush look like a lightweight.


Published reports of Mr Trudeau's sliding down Buckingham Palace banisters, and his famous pirouette behind The Queen, captured on film in 1977, tickled Canadians, and enraged monarchists. He got caught on film fingering some people once as well.









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Trudeau Bio

"I believe a constitution can permit the co-existence of several cultures and ethnic groups with a single state." -- Trudeau, September 30, 1965

Pierre Trudeau held his philosophy of one Canada and a strong federal government before he became prime minister and he maintained it throughout his political career. His response to the FLQ Crisis, his rejection of the Quebec separatist movement, as well as his patriation of the Constitution and promotion of official bilingualism are all manifestations of this belief.

Pierre Elliott Trudeau was born in Montreal in 1919; his father was Québécois, his mother of Scottish descent. He went to a local school, Académie Querbes, and then to the Jesuit college, Jean-de-Brébeuf. In spite of the Depression, Trudeau's father had become a wealthy man in the 1930s and the family toured Canada and Europe frequently. In 1940, Trudeau began studying law at the University of Montreal. As a student, he was required to join the Canadian Officers Training Corps during the war, but like many Quebeckers, Trudeau was opposed to conscription.



After graduating in 1943, he passed his bar exams, and then enrolled in a Master's program at Harvard. In 1946, he went to Paris to study at the École des sciences politiques, and then at the London School of Economics in Britain. By 1948, Trudeau was on a backpacking tour of Eastern Europe, and the Middle and Far East, areas of considerable turbulence in the post-war world. After many adventures, he arrived back in Canada the following year.

Trudeau worked in Ottawa as advisor to the Privy Council before returning to Montreal. He began supporting labour unions, especially during in the Asbestos Strike, and criticized the repression of the Union Nationale under Premier Duplessis. With other outspoken intellectuals, Trudeau started the journal Cité Libre as a forum for their ideas. In 1961, he began teaching law at the University of Montreal. In 1965, the Liberal party was looking for potential candidates in Quebec; Trudeau and two of his colleagues, Jean Marchand and Gérard Pelletier, were invited to run for the party in the federal election that year. They won their seats, and in April 1967, Trudeau became Minister of Justice. Within a year, he had reformed the divorce laws and liberalized the laws on abortion and homosexuality.



When Lester Pearson resigned as prime minister in 1968, Trudeau was invited to run as a candidate. He won the Liberal leadership convention and called an election immediately after. Capitalizing on his extraordinary popular appeal, labelled "Trudeaumania" by the press, he won a majority government in the June election. One of the most important bills passed by his government was the Official Languages Act, guaranteeing bilingualism in the civil service.

A serious threat to national security occurred in 1970, when the terrorist group, Front de libération du Quebec, kidnapped a British diplomat. Upon the request of Quebec Premier Robert Bourassa, Trudeau imposed the War Measures Act. The situation was quickly resolved and the terrorists apprehended, but not before Quebec Cabinet Minister Pierre Laporte was murdered and hundreds of people arrested and held without charges. In 1972, the Liberals were returned with a minority government, but regained a majority in 1974. This decade experienced a period of high inflation, which Trudeau's government attempted to contain with wage and price controls. These economic difficulties and a sense of alienation in Western Canada led to the defeat of the Liberals in 1979. Deciding not to serve as leader of the Opposition, Trudeau announced his resignation from politics. However the Conservative comeback was shortlived; their minority government was defeated within six months. Trudeau was persuaded to return as party leader and the Liberals won the election the following year.

His last term in office was devoted to national unity in opposition to the separatist goals of the Parti Québécois who governed Quebec. Trudeau campaigned vigorously for the "No" supporters in the Quebec referendum on sovereignty-association in 1980. He also set about patriating the Constitution and drafted a Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The cooperation of the provinces was required to accomplish this; the eighteen-month federal-provincial negotiations were drawn-out and highly contentious, with dissenting ministers and rulings from the Supreme Court and various provincial courts. Consent was finally achieved in 1982, but without the cooperation of Quebec Premier René Lévesque. In a ceremony on Parliament Hill, the Queen signed Canada's new Constitution Act on April 17, 1982.

Having accomplished his goal of strengthening Canadian federalism, Trudeau turned his attention to international affairs, campaigning for world peace and improving the relationship between the industrialized nations and Third World countries.

After a total of sixteen years as prime minister, he resigned from politics in 1984. He returned to practicing law, travelled extensively and published his memoirs. His death on September 28, 2000, just short of his eighty-first birthday, prompted an outpouring of grief and tributes from across the country.


MONTREAL - The leaders of Canada's federal parties put aside their differences Friday to pay emotional tribute to a leader who towered over Parliament Hill from the late 1960s to the mid-80s: Pierre Elliott Trudeau.

The former prime minister died Thursday, Sept. 28, 2000 afternoon just three weeks short of his 81st birthday.

Castro was at the funeral... oh and he dated Barbara Streisand for awhile.




His son Sasha Trudeau, is covering the war in Iraq.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/MediaNews/2003/04/14/65345-cp.html

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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:55 PM
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25. Excellent post. Bravo
I lived in Newfoundland during his tenure and always held Trudeau in high regards with the same passion that I held Joey Smallwood(Republican, Newfoundland) in contempt(think Ronnie Ray-Gun in short pants).

I remember Trudeau saying, but I don't remember the exact words, that the goal of the US was to consume the world's energy resources to the point that the US would be the sole source of reserves and could charge whatever amount they chose for them. Prophet or realist? He said this about 1968-69.........Humphrey was running for President and Trickey Dicks' guys had already put in the fix.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:58 PM
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28. Trudeau. What a national treasure he was.
It's a measure of the man that his honorary pallbearers included Fidel Castro, Jimmy Carter and Leonard Cohen.

We'll not soon see his like again. We didn't know at the time how good we had it.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:50 AM
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18. Canada: the other North America
We lost much distinctiveness through the syncophantic reign of Mulroney, but we're still here, and still have a different set of priorities. Who knows, we may wind up more like Finland during the height of the Soviet empire than, say, Estonia. We have to seek an accomodation with the collosus, but we needn't be absorbed.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:57 AM
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21. Finland? Why not Iceland?
Another great place.........and close. Never could figure out why Greenland and Iceland screwed up their names. Greenland is covered in ice and Iceland is covered with green. Maybe it was a ruse to keep the riff-raff from moving in.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:04 PM
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22. I think it's a reference to proximity to a world power neighbor...
While Iceland is a wonderful place, it is Finland that directly bordered the former Soviet Union -- yet chose a very different path.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:16 PM
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23. Re-read. You're right.
I got so wound up in emotions and memories that I didn't grasp the geo-political statement. It must be scary living with a big, ugly F**K next door.........takes courage and resolve. My apologies to Mistrel Boy.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 01:00 PM
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26. Comment of Finland:
I had a Finnish friend (exchange student) in the mid '80s. Called the Soviet Union 'the Big Bully Brother'. He told a story, which I cannot confirm, but sure sounds good...

In the early 80's, one of Reagan's minions stated that the only reason West Germany wasn't bullied like Finland is because they weren't afraid of the Russians; and they weren't afraid because of NATO.
The Finns, annoyed by being called afraid, called up thier reserves and sent them to the border with the Soviets: The Soviets responded by calling up thier own reserves and started sending them to the border.
The Finns stood down, and announced: Who's afraid of whom?
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:53 PM
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27. "peacekeeping is for wimps"
I've actually met some military types who say that. Interestingly, virtually all of them have been uninformed right-wing Americans -- not many Europeans, and certainly none of the Canadians I've talked to who've served overseas, have agreed with that!

After I heard Bush sneering at peacekeeping during the election debates, and implying that it was what troops did if they were incompetent or cowardly .... I lost any trace of sympathy I had for the man. How dare he talk about my friends in the Princess Pats or Royal Hamilton Light Infantry like that! A difficult, dangerous, stressful job -- in some ways harder than fighting an actual war. Well, Wolfie and Co. are starting to realize that now.
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