Who won the debate tonight?

[Sean Reynolds]

Poll question: Who won the debate tonight?

[newsguyatl]

1. IMO

dean, edwards, gephardt and sharpton standout

[SweetZombieJesus]

4. You gotta give Kucinich props too

Save perhaps his closing remarks, which were a little bland, Dennis was fucking on like Donkey Kong tonight. Kerry had some good lines (he usually does, though), and the only one who really gave me a "blah" feeling was Edwards. Otherwise, I was impressed by everyone.

[newsguyatl]

13. yes

agreed... kucinich was much better tonight.

[SweetZombieJesus]

2. I voted Sharpton, but he barely edged the others out

Home field advantage ;-)

Seriously, everyone did great except for Lieberman. I think Gep's line about Bush fits Lieberman like a glove at this point, though I'd substitute "abysmal" in place of "miserable".

[JohnKleeb]

68. huh SZJ Sharpton aint from Baltimore

Glad to hear people did good. Is Lieberman planning on coming out of the light soon lol, and tell us hes a republican. Sorry I dont like bashing the guy but his attiude disturbs me.

[jenk]

3. 1. Edwards 2. Kerry 3. Dean

.

[dean4america]

5. hmm..

edwards was top 3 material, but NOT #1.

1. Dean
2. Sharpton
3. Edwards
4. DK

[Rooktoven]

32. Dean had the advantage of being personally attacked

And Sharpton's best moments weren't really part of the debate, but answering the LaRouchies.

[Khephra]

6. Dean for slapping Lieberman

Because I've been waiting way too long for that to happen not to make it my top pick.

If that hadn't happened, it would have had to have been Sharpton.

[SweetZombieJesus]

10. Dean defused it well, but overall he wasn't the best

He did really well, but I don't think it was up to his fullest potential.

I hope the Lieberman apologists can finally see through his bullshit after this. Interrupting another panelist like he's Sean Hannity doesn't win you any brownie points with us.

[CMT]

7. I voted Dean

it was a good performance and his best debate yet. However, Kudos also to Sharpton, DK, Graham, and Gep. Kerry seemed on autopilot. CMB didn't get alot of time--though she made the best of what she did have. Edwards was good, but nothing too memorable. Lieberman was for the birds--and they don't even want him.

[Atlant]

8. 1: Dean 2: Sharpton 3: Lyndon LaRouche/George W. Bush (NT)

[Pepperbelly]

9. no one ...

They all did about equally well.

[TheDonkey]

17. I thought they all did dismal.

Definetly not horrible by any standards, but I was expecting much more. Last debate I thought was very excellent with everyone pulling out good punches. Dean who i suspected lost the last debate ended up coming back strong, while Kerry who I would say won last debate did a real shabby job.

[Pepperbelly]

27. I disagree and ...

in fact, this might have been one of the better outings for all of them in way way or another. The conditions imposed by the frequent hecklers, IMO, showcased good characteristics in each of them.

Each candidate had moements that stirred me.

I loved Bob Graham's "Hell, no!" to padding the pockets of Whistle-ass's contributors.

[KittyWampus]

33. Graham Did Very Well

He was the first, I think, to mention Halliburton and that is prerequisite for me to consider a Dem Candidate.

I missed parts of the debate and someone posted something about Graham making some comment about gay marriage???

[Clark Can WIN]

37. Hell ya, that was good.

I also like Edwards repeated mentions of Haliburton and Kerry standing up and saying if underbrush can't come up with some answers he'll vote no on the Candy fund.

[sham]

11. I voted Sharpton.

DK, CMB, Dean, Edwards, and Graham were all fantastic too, and are all tied for a close second.

I thought Gep and more so, Kerry seemed a little flat, but were still good.

No comment on LIEberman.

[carrowsboy]

12. Poor Joe

Everyone has a DU vote but him.

Think he'll take the hint?

[JI7]

14. voted edwards

i thought edwards' calm but firm way of explaining his side worked for him and appealed to others. and the "why me" look on his face of having to go after sharpton lines which bring some of the best applause seemed to help him in some weird kind of way. although dennis' final statement was probably one of the best i heard from him. but overall i would say edwards.

[bearfartinthewoods]

69. Edwards...calm and firm

good description...i really like this guy. if this isn't his cycle, i can't wait to vote for him in the future.

[tjdee]

15. No clear "winner".

Edwards seemed relaxed tonight, for the 1 or 2 questions he even got, he performed well. I always think that though, which is why I support him. I didn't vote for him , didn't vote for anyone.

Dean...he seemed awfully flat, there is such a drastic difference in him at these things, and when he's alone.

Sharpton wasn't so much "winning" as he was pissed at the disruptors and doing his usual thing.

The others had their moments, but maybe I just hate FAUX, because I don't think any of them had a moment to break away from the pack--because SOME people (AHEM, JOE LIEBERMAN) are wasting our time and there are 9 of them up there.

It's sad--Joe Lieberman really doesn't seem to get how out of touch he is.

[Dookus]

16. Sharpton...

Dean lost me with the Wyclef Jean answer ;)

[Sean Reynolds]

22. I thought that was awesome.

Got to wonder if he truly likes him. But he knew the song, so I guess he does! :)

[Dookus]

26. well...

I'll send him $100 if he can SING it. Sounded like a wee bit of pandering, to me.

But that's OK... it's pander bear season.

[GreenArrow]

34. sounded like pandering to me too

.

[TLM]

58. Dean is in fact a big blues R&B and reggae music fan.

He even plays...







http://uppervalleyfordean.com/drupal/node/view/93
Democratic presidential hopeful former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, left, plays his guitar during a jam session with Michael 'Hawkeye' Herman, right, at the Blues on Grand, Thursday Aug. 14, 2003, in Des Moines, Iowa. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)

[KaraokeKarlton]

59. TLM, do you live in the Upper Valley?

That's where I live. I ask because I'm one of the administrators of the web site you got the pictures from. :) Since it's a local site, I thought I'd ask.

[TLM]

62. Nope... I'm from lower california...

or low-cal, as we like to call it.

[Hawkeye-X]

61. FYI

This is NOT me.. I wish it was, but it isn't..

:evilgrin:

Hawkeye-X

[KaraokeKarlton]

35. Haven't you ever heard of Reggae Fest?

Vermonters love Reggae. Wyclef ROCKS! I love his rendition of Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here".

[Dookus]

38. No argument!

I love Wyclen Jean, too!

But I don't believe Jaspora is really his favorite song.

[Mike_from_NoVa]

39. bet he can play it on his guitar

n/t

[KaraokeKarlton]

44. Do you think any of the candidates gave their faves?

Braun was being honest and Sharpton might have been. But the rest all picked what they thought to be politically correct with a political message. Dean picked a cool, trendy song that probably none of the others know, except maybe Braun and Sharpton.

[FubarFly]

18. First time I voted for Dean in a post debate poll.

Graham and Gephardt also did well.

[gully]

19. I voted Lieberman because he had the most to 'overcome' and he did well...

Flame away. I'm a firm Dean supporter.

BTW, I think they all ROCKED! Props to Kucinich, Lieberman, Dean, Edwards, Graham and of course Sharpton as they all stood out.

[ComerPerro]

20. Kucinich, Sharpton, Mosley Braun

I think those three did the best and were most impressive tonight.

[MuseRider]

48. That is exactly how

I would have put it. I love those three. Sharpton is amazing and brings so much to the debate. CMB has escaped me until this. She is truly a genuine woman and really has some good points to make. Kucinich is just it for me though. He means what he says absolutely and he stands for what I believe the Democratic party should stand for. However, I am still ABB.

[goodhue]

52. agreed

Kucinich, Sharpton, Mosley Braun were best

[WilliamPitt]

21. Fox won the debate

:grr:

[FubarFly]

23. Not so sure...

All the candidates got some pretty good shots in.

And all of the disruptions reflected poorly on FOX.

[Julien Sorel]

40. FOX isn't the kind of network whose image can be sullied.

Being degraded and ill-used is part of being a prostitute, so this debate is a dog-bites-man thing. No one expects better out of FOX.

[FubarFly]

42. People who tuned in who are not regular FOX viewers...

may be turned off. Between the constant interruptions, the loaded questions, and the egg timer, there was nothing about this presentation that was fair and balanced. The Faux faithful are irrelevant.

[Julien Sorel]

46. I think many of the people new-to-FOX who tuned in

were hard-core Democrats anyway, and so not likely to be FOX fans in the first place. But for the FOX faithful, a spectacle like this is as good as a monster truck show, or nude female pro wrestling.


Heck, I'd even watch nude female pro wrestling ;-)


At any rate, your point is a good one, but I still think FOX has very little to lose along these lines. It was entertaining, and the typical FOX viewer wants that. It might even attract new viewers to FOX -- the more cerebral types prefer CNN, anyway.

[gristy]

30. nah

Fox will be the ultimate loser here. Only the hard-core right will think the disruptors benefitted their guy.

[diamondsoul]

60. Oh, But Sharpton nipped Hannity's whiny arse

afterwards! Damn he was good for tellin' it like it is tonight.

Just in case anyone is wondering if I've lost my mind, I left it on because they SAID they were going to be in the exit area and I thought they might talk to more than one of them. Should have known better, but I do love Sharpton taking on Hannity and his incessant whine *personal attacks on the pResident of the United States* :eyes:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

72. Not so fast.

The viewers of Faux were exposed to the theme of "no WMD" and "no Iraq/Al-Qaeda link" all night. Probably for the first time. However, Faux's post debate spin was definately bullshit.

[indigo32]

24. I thought Dean did much better than last time

Carol Mosely Braun was spot on, Al was great as usual, Kucinich did very well. The rest... not so good... though I really did like Grahams closing statement. Some actual fire there. As for Lieberman sounding a little more fiesty...too late to impress me buster.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. they all were really good ...even lieberman said some good stuff

i wish i could roll them all into 1 ...or else we should have 9 democratic presidents in 04...they each bring good to the table

[gristy]

28. I heard lots of good stuff

but often didn't know who was speaking - was listening on the radio.

I thought Carol Moseley Braun, whose voice I did recognize, did very well. She spoke eloquently and intelligently. Better than in the 1st debate. I think she was not as nervous.

[TSElliott]

29. Sharpton was a stud in my opinion.

If Clark does not run I am voting Al thats for sure.

[LittleApple81]

31. I don't think I would vote for him. I remembe some of the stuff

he has gotten involved with in the past that dispels the immediate attraction for his personality. But he was the best performer in the debate today and showed a lot of SPINE.

[Dem4EverMore]

36. Mosley-Braun

She had the guts to say Bush was not elected.

[seventhson]

41. Dean said exactly WHAT about Wycleff Jean?

please lay it out for me. I missed that.

[KaraokeKarlton]

45. It was in his answer for his favorite song

He said "Jaspora" by Wyclef Jean is his favorite song.

[hexola]

55. Jaspora Lyrics...

Men sa le monde antye tap tann
Wyclef ki sot nan Fugee.

Jeremi! Ayiti! Potoprins! Flatbush!
Sou'w fy desko'w se ayisyen mache

Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora (4 fwa)

Depwi mwen piti mwen te kite Ayiti
Gen sa ki al Brooklyn gen sa ki al Miami
Poukisa Jamariken toujou di se Jamariken?
Men ayisyen p di li se ayisyen
Poukisa ou p di non'w se Samyl?
Poukisa ou p di'w ave'k Izrayl?
Poukisa chak swa wap domi ak Jezabl?
Ou p di fanm ayisyen ke yo bl?
Pa'm nan bl

Mwen respekte non'w tankou mwen
respekte zanj Gabriyl
Men ng dyaspora vle Mennen nou nan otl
Tonben pale angl vire "playboy channel"
Yo pa respekte Izrayl

Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora

Si se dyaspora li ye mape voye' l bay reken

Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora

Si se dyaspora li ye asw a nap dezame'l

Dyaspora ha ha o le men
Mape pran li jete'l nan prizon
Map f'l konnen kiys ki Tousen
Map f'l konnen kiys ki Desalin
Apr sa nou mt lage'l voye'l back Brooklyn
Pou la'l jwenn manman'n kap fe manje nan kwizin
Mannan'n gade li di gason ou chanje
Li di mwen chanje paske se ayisyen mwen ye
Yo te ban mwen yon leson, yo te mete'm nan prison
Mwen w dyaspora fi, dyaspora gason
Gen sa ki pap tounen yape domi a pwason
Yo pedi konesans kankou yo ft san relijyon
Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora
Si se dyaspora ou ye mape voye'w bay reken
Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora
Si se dyaspora ou ye asw a nap dezame'w

Ng Potoprins pa respekte dyspora Ank
Ng Flatbush pa respekte dyspora
Ng Canada pa respekte dyspora
Ng Miami pa respekte dyaspora

Depwi mwen piti mwen te kite ayiti
Gen sa ki al Brooklyn gen sa ki al Miami
Poukisa jamariken toujou di se jamariken?
Men ayisyen p di li se ayisyen
Poukisa ou p di non'w se Samyl?
Poukisa ou p di'w ave'k Israyl?
Poukisa chak swa wap domi ak Jezabl?
Ou p di fanm ayisyen ke yo bl?
Pa'm nan bl

Mwen respekete nou tankou mwen
respekte zanj gabriyl
Men ng dyaspora vle Mennen noun nan otl
Tonben pale angle vire "playboy channel"
Yo pa respekte Izrayl

Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora

Si se dyaspora ou ye mape voyo'w bay reken

Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora

Si se dyaspora ou ye asw a nap dezame'w
Pa Kayos pa respekte dyaspora
Papa Djoume pa respekte dyaspora
Refugees pa respekte dyaspora
Ng Florida pa respekte dyaspora
Malfini bagay yo pral fini mal,
sou'w derespekte natif natal
Malfini bagay yo pral fini mal
Derespekte ayisyen ou pral kout fistibal
Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora
Si se dyaspora ou ye mape voyo'w bay reken
Dyaspora n'pa respekte dyaspora
Si se dyaspora ou ye asw a nap dezame'w

[stickdog]

43. Four tiers based on this debate only

Winner - Sharpton
Helped Themselves - Edwards, Dean, Moseley-Braun, Kucinich
Didn't Hurt - Graham, Gephardt, Kerry
Hurt Himself - Lieberman (see: http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com )

[concord]

47. Sharpton for taking control

and showed real leadership in dealing with the hecklers.
Impressed me.

[burr]

53. Amen!

:toast: And for being the only candidate to give FOX a piece of his mind. Sharpton received his loadest cheers when again ripping the other candidates for dancing with all the others except those of us that they took to the dance!

[Procopius]

49. Moseley-Braun and Sharpton rocked big time at Morgan State!

[Blue-Jay]

50. No "winner"

It really wasn't that type of debate. More of a Q&A session. Some came off well and the others were Joe Lieberman.

[Laughing Mirror]

51. who wins all the debates all the time?

i wonder

[GBD4]

54. Potential ticket?

[paulsbc]

56. where is the "no one" vote?

boring "debate". when will we see a real debate anyway? hopefully some of the lessers will drop out soon, the number of people makes the format / style void of any real substance, IMO.

[TLM]

57. Depends on the criteria... I voted sharpton.

For pure presence and audience appeal, it goes to Sharpton.

However for strategy, it goes to Dean. Dean played tonight’s debate like a great chess player. He drew Lieberman out and Lieberman ended up looking shrill and desperate in his attacks on Dean over Israel.

Kucinich really impressed me tonight and Kerry did to. Kucinich was clear, direct and not shrill, but most of all he hit that Halliburton connection in Iraq and so did Graham. Even Kerry impressed me with probably his first direct answer in the debates so far, addressing how much Bush knew… or if he was just reading what was put in front of him.

That said, the debate belonged to Sharpton and Gephardt. And Gephardt has been great... where the hell was this fire from him 6 months or a year ago?

[peterh]

63. Just finished watching the replay of the debates….

And I have to say I was really impressed with Edwards. I had been in the Kerry camp from the beginning, but have been very impressed by Dean’s rhetoric of late. But, Edwards great answers without the benefit, many times, of seeing how his competition answered many times. The guy was loose and I liked that.

[Isome]

64. I posted part of this on the LBN board:

I believe Faux pushed to get the debated on their station, only so they could then turn around and trash the candidates. With all the doodoos who rely on Faux as their primary news source, they had a prime opportunity to deride and distort the collective message of the Democratic party.

I watched it while I was working out and it wasn't a debate, IMO, as much as it was a chance for each candidate to relay their message to the public.

In my view, everyone performed well at some point, though some did better than others overall. Watching it kept my energy up for the entire 45 minute run on the treadmill. Afterwards however, I felt nothing but negative energy, as the empty-headed pundits Faux had on proceeded to make vacuous comments and distort everything the candidates said.

Lieberman... *sigh*... being the true bleeding heard liberal that I am, just made me sad when he tried to sound independent and said that he knows it may not be "popular" but we have to be in Iraq, blah blah blah. And, his popular song (Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow) was the same one used during the Clinton's campaign; wasn't it? That is so weak! But, I still gave him an "E" for effort; I won't vote for that motherfucker, but he gave it a shot.

[VolcanoJen]

65. Dean and Edwards really, really impressed me!!!

My impressions of Edwards and Dean post-debate suprised me! I think I might have to make up my mind, finally, and these two are my favorites at present.

Kerry blew it for me last night...

[GalleryGod]

66. Found this a great resource to Carpet Bomb the IGNORE Button

Thanks!:grouphug:

I'll visit the "Home" regularly!

[deacon]

67. joe is desperate, kerry is in a dingy without a paddle

dean walked away unscathed.

sharpton kept the issues on the table.

gephardt is showing some energy, but after seeing this clark may indeed throw his hat in the ring.

[RapidCreek]

70. I thought the entire debate was absolutely wonderful

I think they all did a great job (not including lieberman, but he ain't really a Democrat anyway)....and a couple seem actually to be exhibiting a set of stones. While I don't know that I would vote for Sharpton I think he did better than anyone else.....though it was a close call and I think having home field advantage helps one hell of allot.

I was also really imposed by Graham. I am a little disappointed that he demonstrates a stodgy old mans intolerance for homosexuals, however. I guess ya gotta take the good with the bad. He said allot of what needed to be said and I like very much that he voted against giving Bush carte blanche to run around the world fucking with people in my name. He's a tough ole southern boy, I think he is honest and stands by his convictions...he strikes me as a leader....not a guy playing the political expedience game.

Kerry...when finally backed into a corner about the vote on Bush's begging for money, looked like he made an instant gut decision to quit playing silly politician games and just answered the question like a man. That brings him up a few notches on my scale. He dropped back down a few notches when he tried to rationalize giving an AWOL chikenshit unchecked power to wage war, however. He'd gain my respect if he just said "I made a mistake on that, In retrospect I am ashamed I voted the way that I did and if I had it to do over again I'd vote differently.

Edwards did alright but he seems sort of like he's just telling people what they want to hear....I don't trust him for some reason....that's the impression he left me with, anyway.

Denny did really well....and In my opinion demonstrated a strength matched by none. He says what he believes and doesn't give a rats ass if someone doesn't like it. I think that is the type of person we need as president. To me that quality is indicative of a leader. I only wish he was a more powerful public speaker. It seemed that they didn't give him much air time....which is rather unfortunate.

Carol spent too much time with what looked to be sort of a phony grin on her face. I guess in the scheme of things it doesn't make much difference because the guy she'd be running against looks like Rompin Ronnie's Bedtime for Bonzo co-star. She did make some nice barbed remarks about the Chimp...but seemed sort of weak when asked what she would do to change things.

Gephart was Gephart.

I am a little surprised that everyone thinks Dean did so well. He looked stiff and his remarks about Syria and Iran sounded suspiciously like AWOL. I had considered voting for him but I may have to rethink that postition now. Overall I think he did poorly...not nearly as well as I had expected or hoped he would do.

Lieberman should just catch a plane to Isreal and not come back. Maybe he can get a job working for Sharon over there, it'd save on his phone bills, I'm sure.

RC

[jos]

71. I voted Kucinich

But I agree with those who were impressed by Edwards. Sharpton was funny. Dean was cool. Although I hate to say it, I think Lieberman helped himself, notwithstanding his demagoguery on Israel.

Kerry, Gephardt and Graham were the losers.

[VermontDem2004]

73. I voted Kucinich

he really shined tonight.

[Kolesar]

74. DK had the guts to say he would vote NO on the $87 Billion

Rev. Sharpton was really in his element last night. He rocks.

[robbedvoter]

75. Fux did. Debased the process to a circus by sneaking the LaRouche nuts

and being extremely slow in taking each of them out. Success in the same tactic that failed in 2000 (having Nader heckle Gore from their studio). That's the single most vivid memory I have from the debate.

[blm]

77. Exactly. None of them did well, and FOX made sure of it.

.

[MissMillie]

76. Like last time, I'm not picking my fav. candidate

Al Sharpton, by virtue of his training as a preacher, comes across as a VERY effective speaker. He was humorous and familiar as well, and articulated valid points throughout. IMO, he was the big winner last night.

Leiberman again was my least favorite, and again, he was followed immediately by Bob Graham (though Graham hit a big score when he said he though Bush deliberately mislead folks about the war).

Carol Moseley-Braun comes across and warm, intelligent, sincere, and articulate.

Dean made big points on two points: the show of support for the college unionization drive, and his response regarding race relations in a predominantly white state.

Kucinich again win big points by showing his a man w/ convictions, not just a politician pandering to poll results.

Gephardt was less memorable this time. I put his performance in this debate on level with Kerry. They answered questions fine, but were not memorable enough to gain any points.

Edwards comes across as warm and intelligent, but finds it hard to stay on-topic.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it. :-)

[MissMillie]

78. Kick (n/t)

.