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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:45 AM
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Guess WHO is behind the "72% turnout" bullshit?
Hint: "Iraq can launch WMD within 45 minutes".

Need another clue?

He's a former CIA-paid car-bomber terrorist.

Yep you guessed it; Allawi:

Iraqi officials claim turnout has been 72 percent kctv

And lookit the US State Media

Iraq Voter Turnout Placed at 72 Percent ABCNEWS.com

Voter turnout placed at 72% Chicago Tribune

Iraqi election turnout at least 72% amid attacks Santa Fe New Mexican

And Faux Moos, MSNBC, CNN et al.

Reminds me of that Allawi "45 minutes" claim. :eyes:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:48 AM
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1. I yelled at CNN just now
when I heard the 72% bullshit figure. I told my wife, "they'll just pick any old figure out of the air, won't they?"

But they WON'T pick just any figure. 90% is unreasonable, 80% sounds like just about everyone, 75% sounds big, but too big, 70% is too close to the US 60% turnout, so they settled on 72%
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:54 AM
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5. 72% is actually reasonable
if you figure that the kurds and the shiites turned out in their areas in huge numbers. The real question is what was the turnout in baghdad, where all three groups co-exist. My guess is that it wasn't even close to 72%. But I'm guessing, which is also what I strongly suspect that the 72% number is.

Also 72% of what? 72% of registered voters? 72% of eligible voters? 72% of some number we pulled out of our asses?

But this is irrelevant. I'm fine with the success of the election. So we should start to withdraw immediately.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:02 AM
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17. Ok... congratulations! Good election... Bush did a great job!
NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ!!!!!

(whatever the hell they want to hear if it will get us out)
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:55 AM
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21. Exactly.
The way to defeat the rethuglicans on this issue is to push the contradiction: that the 'election success' does not mean 'mission accomplished'. So what is the mission Georgie? Huh? Why are our kids dying now?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:23 AM
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30. How are these #'s possible in a country where the life expectancy
is something like 2 decades less than the west.

It doesn't make sense.

Charlie Rose is saying it now, 60% turnout.

that's 60% of the voting age people, and I haven't even heard the voting age discussed.

60% of the voting age people who registered. What percent of the population even registered to vote.

I'm about 70 % tired now, and about 43% behind in my studying time. There's about a 99 % chance I'm gonna go to bed without finishing my studying , and I'll probably make no greater than 85% on my tests tomorrow.

*disregard these statistics, they are estimates and I just made them up. Soon they'll be quoting them on CNN.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:30 AM
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19. Considering 99 % turned out to vote for Saddam,
72 % sounds like a failure to me.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:55 PM
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25. LOL
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 11:56 PM
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28. Nice
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:50 AM
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2. maybe that is just 72% of those who registered to vote...72% of
those living in places other than Iraq?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:04 PM
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22. 72% of the 10% who registered to vote means only 7 of 100 voted.
It's yet another example of an intentional deception campaign.

Only 10% of Iraqis (in the US, the % is probably even lower in Iraq) actually registered to vote. 72% of that 10% voted which means that merely 7 out of 100 people who could have voted actually cast a vote.

*sigh*

I am so sick of the perpetual deception.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:14 PM
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23. Excellent point
7% of all eligible voters turned out to vote. I wasn't aware that they had a registration process.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:53 AM
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3. Did anyone really believe that the Iraqi election would be any
less of a farce than the recent American one?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:40 AM
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12. CBC quotes an Iragi in Can. saying Bush rigged US election, and now Iraq
election.

There may well be 72% turnout - but that is just votes

As Stalin said - power goes to the fellow that counts the votes.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:28 AM
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18. Exactly. 72 %? How would they even know that?
It's just bogus. Furthermore, Saddam's election occurred at 99 % turnout. So, what exactly does 72 % "turnout" even prove?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:54 AM
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4. The turnout is really 100%
Everyone who turned up and voted did that's 100% see?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:43 AM
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13. All 2 of em.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:53 PM
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24. ...and here's one of them...

http://bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=194


http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 11:38 PM
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27. Yeppity yyep
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:56 AM
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6. I don't believe it either
these folks as a rule do not tell the truth.

Remember Allawi coming to the US to campaign for Bush?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:59 AM
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7. npr-people coming out in mass
to vote..everything is grand!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:00 AM
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8. End justifies the means
You WILL succumb!!!
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:01 AM
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9. I'm surprised they didn't add a decimal, like 72.7%. Now tell me,
how is anybody supposed to believe that in a country where the electricity only works a few hours a day and they vote by putting paper ballots into big plastic boxes, anyone could possibly have this data so quickly? This big number gives them plenty of room to structure the outcome they were told to have.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:06 AM
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10. NBC just stated, 72% in some areas 4% in others....
seems like 72% would be a good 'round' figure. Bullshit.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:17 AM
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11. Last night on CNN when the polls opened
They had two reporters at polling stations. One was in Basra, I think, and the other in the Kurdish north. The reporter in Basra nearly fell down laughing when asked about the turnout. The elections officials were still a noshow over an hour after the polls opened.

In the North the Kurds were voting like crazy. I'd bet this is where turnout was highest. But the rest of Iraq seems to be basically a noshow.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:52 AM
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14. There was NO election in Iraq.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:57 AM
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15. Must be that the 72% comes from
their exit polling!

:evilgrin:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:02 AM
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16. Reality Check...Let's Ask Some Questions
Now whose coming up with these numbers? Is this from any independent source? Or is this another one of those Pentagon to CNNservative phone calls or another lazy "journalist" sitting in his Baghdad hotel taking dictations from some regime hack?

What are these numbers based on? There hasn't been an official census in Iraq in decades...and if Hussein held one, would this regime consider it to be accurate?

Are these voting totals based on past elections, like how we do ours? How can you tell if an election turnout is higher or lower without same real statistics to compare it with?

So, if there's no way to verify these numbers, how can any of the "information" they're throwing at us is true and how much is bullshit. I post, you decide.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:37 AM
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20. Does our media tell us anything that is true?
I am skeptical and don't believe really anything coming from the corporate sponsored networks because their job clearly is to spread disinformation and distraction stories which hide the imperialistic agendas and realities happening across the globe. This, along with promoting fantasies and fears to unassuming, overworked Americans, in addition to dishing out pointless sitcoms and dramas.

We are consuming "junkfood" at every level, including our media. It feeds an addictive society.

Is the truth erased from the equation the moment money, profit and power enter the picture?

I would say if we are trying to sell something, we automatically have an agenda, secret or otherwise. However, in areas where there is stability and less desperation, the level of dishonesty and corruption will be less. It would be very tough especially the higher the competition rate is, to maintain an ethical, honest perspective if I am starving and/or have a family to feed.

Corporations seem to be monopolizing on this right now. Seems to me capitalism and Democracy are headed towards a collision right now. Perhaps its more corporatism or fascism. The question is, what do we do about it?

(I started off on honesty and the media and took a right turn I think)
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:04 PM
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26. I think it's the same as media in a Soviet Union, really.
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 03:14 PM by lizzy
Nothing bad ever happened in a Soviet Union. Even natural disasters did not happen in a Soviet Union. Soviet Union was the greatest country on Earth, according to it's media.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:19 AM
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29. Coming from media sources that exit polls suddenly weren't valid
When in every single election all over the globe has proven exit polls were about 98% accurate and were the main tool of UN election monitors to show validity of an election.

Why do humans have the inate ability to be lied to 20 times in a row and then happily expect the 21st story to be the truth????

Signed,
Perplexed
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:30 AM
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31. how many votes from the 14 countries are they saying? n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:34 AM
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32. We would have had bigger turnout
here in the USA if there wasn't voter suppression at every turn!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:01 AM
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33. The same people that understand...
that the lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on....

By the time the truth is known, most people will already have heard that 72% had voted and that will be their truth. Just like Bush and the Repubs did in Florida with the vote, they spread the lie first and far and wide.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:53 AM
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34. From 72 to 60 to 50 to at least 30:
there's demand? Here's the supply.
Do you want some ketchup with the election-results?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO501F.html


Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:40 AM
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35. Why quibble about numbers?
When a powerful nation with vast resources invades and occupies another, terrorizes and/or kills thousands of its citizens, installs a puppet government, and then announces that "elections" will be held, those "elections" are, by definition, completely bogus.

Swamp Rat has it right. There was no "election" in Iraq. And, I'll go one further. There was no free and fair Presidential election in the US last November either.
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