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Coltrane Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:28 PM
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Canadian TV exposes Ann Coulter/Video has the video
How to Talk to a Fool (If You Really Must)

Last night, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's excellent investigative news program, "the Fifth Estate," broadcast a one-hour special on the hijacking of the American media by conservative bullies -- whose knowledge of foreign policy seems to run the gamut from A to B and tends toward scream-o-ramas in which dissenters are accused of being unpatriotic. Of course, it included Coulter who gloated to correspondent Bob McKeown about how her side is "winning and they're loosing." But in the next segment during a rant about how Canada is disloyal for not sending troops to Iraq -- Coulter was finally exposed -- it just isn't clear from the exchange if she is genuinely confused or purposefully misrepresenting the truth. We'll report so you can decide.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:31 PM
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1. What a nut !
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:36 PM
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2. She's a stupid, arrogant , (ideological) whore.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:44 PM
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3. When this harpy first appeared
on MSNBC during the attempted Republican coup against Clinton , she was identified as a " constitutional law expert " She was so partisan that eventually the media gave up on that charade . It did raise the question then as to whether they were just gullible or completely in bed with the right wing . It is now clear that they are completely and tragically complicit with the illegalities , incompetency and immorality of this group of thugs .
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:49 PM
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4. Thats the difference between the US and Canadian press
U.S. reporters and commentators are chosen for their ability to enhance ratings. Intelligence and knowledge are not factors. They're usually clueless about history and politics. The Canadian press obviously take their craft and their responsibility to the public more seriously. They are expected to be (gasp!) knowledgeable.

(Please don't change, Canada!)
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:55 PM
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5. OK....I heard some cow on Fox last night from UPI (moonie news)
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 12:56 PM by Gabi Hayes
insist that Coulter was right...that 10K Candian troops fought in VN, and that 400 Canadians were killed there

she was very insistent and OLiely looked like he'd just had the big O from one of his production assistants under the his desk

Seems that it would be pretty easy to find out what the real story is on this, but I'm too lazy to do it myself

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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:03 PM
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6. No they are probably lying,
However Australian and I believe some New Zealand troops fought for a while in Viet Nam along with Republic of Korea soldiers. The Canadians were in on the Korean War too. But it is highly unlikely that any substantial amount of Canadians ever ended up in Viet Nam, at least under their flag.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:05 PM
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7. I was in Vietnam
there were NO units of the Canadian Army there. I took care of one or two Canadians at the hospital where I worked. One was in the US Army and the other in the Australian army. Coulter and that other floozy are simply NUTS.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:06 PM
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8. Officially Canada sent no troops to Vietnam
but roughly 10,000 individual Canadians did join US armed forces during that time.

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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:25 PM
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11. Right...

...I was with 3rd Tank Battalian, 3rd Marine division in Vietnam in 1969, and we had a Canadian from BC in our unit. He claimed his cousin, also a Canadian, had been KIA with the Marines in 1967.

Cross border enlistments are nothing new - Americans joined the Canadian army in 1938-1941 to fight Hitler. I'm not sure of the numbers, but I remember reading an article - a looooong time ago - about a group of them transferring into the US Army after we entered the war.

It's awfully hard to verify this kind of thing, as there are a LOT of families with feet on both sides of the border. The Canadian that I served with had merely driven to Seattle and given a relatives address when he enlisted. The Marine Corp didn't know "officially" that he was Canadian.

We also had a West German in 3rd Tanks, although The Marines did know he was on a green card.
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queeg Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:07 PM
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The Vietnam War had its roots in the French colonial conquest of Indochina in the mid-19th century and in the nationalist movements that arose to oppose it. At the end of WWII, on 2 Sept l945, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam was proclaimed an independent country by Ho Chi Minh; Hanoi was its capital. The French attempt to reconquer Vietnam met with defeat in the valley of Dien Bien Phu on 2 May l954. The July Geneva Agreements provided for a cease-fire and a provisional military demarcation line at the 17th parallel, pending nationwide elections for reunification in July l956. Western efforts to divide the country permanently by creating a Vietnamese republic in Saigon, coupled with the refusal to hold the promised elections, led to rebellion in the South, massive US military intervention and the ensuing civil war.

The failure of US policy became apparent in Feb l968 when 525,000 American soldiers were unable to stop the insurgents' Tet Offensive. In Jan l973 the Paris Peace Accords were signed, upholding the unity and territorial integrity of Vietnam and providing for the orderly withdrawal of US troops, the release of 2000,000 civilian detainees and POWs and the organization of free and democratic elections in S. Vietnam. The refusal to implement these last conditions provoked an armed insurrection and on 30 Apr l975 Saigon fell. The cost of the war was staggering: 1.7 million dead, 3 million wounded and maimed, and 13 million refugees. The US dropped 7 million tons of bombs, 75 million litres of herbicide and lost 10,000 helicopters and warplanes. Some 56,000 US soldiers were killed and another 303,000 were wounded. The direct cost of the war was $140 billion; indirect costs are estimated at $900 billion.

During the years 1954 to 1975 Canada served on 2 international truce commissions and provided medical supplies and technical assistance. Canadian diplomats were involved in negotiations between Washington and Hanoi and successive Canadian governments, both Liberal and Conservative, maintained that Ottawa was an impartial and objective peacekeeper, an innocent and helpful bystander negotiating for peace and administering aid to victims of the war. However, Cabinet papers, confidential stenographic minutes of the truce commissions as well as top-secret American government cables revealed Canada to be a willing ally of US counterinsurgency efforts.

Canada's record on the truce commissions was a partisan one, rooted in the presumption of Hanoi's guilt and Saigon's innocence and designed to discredit North Vietnam while exonerating South Vietnam from its obligations to uphold the Geneva Agreements. Canadian delegates engaged in espionage for the US Central Intelligence Agency and aided the covert introduction of American arms and personnel into South Vietnam while they spotted for US bombers over North Vietnam. Canadian commissioners shielded the US chemical defoliant program from public inquiry, parlayed American threats of expanded war to Hanoi, and penned the reports legitimating both the rupture of the Geneva Agreements and the US air war over North Vietnam. Ottawa would later assert that these actions were necessary to counter-balance the activities of the Eastern bloc countries with whom they shared membership on the truce commissions.

Canadian aid during the war went only to S Vietnam, $29 million 1950-75, routed through the Colombo Plan and the Canadian Red Cross. Although humanitarian in appearance, Canadian assistance was an integral part of the Free World Assistance Program, co-ordinated by the US Department of State with the International Security Office of the Pentagon as the point of contact. In the field, Canadian capital assistance was regulated by the US-RVN Health Defense Agreement and administered by the International Military Assistance Force Office in Saigon. On a number of occasions, Ottawa stopped the shipment of ecumenical medical relief to civilian victims of the war in North Vietnam.

At home. 500 firms sold $2.5 billion of war materiel (ammunition, napalm, aircraft engines and explosives) to the Pentagon. Another $10 billion in food, beverages, berets and boots for the troops was exported to the US, as well as nickel, copper, lead, brass and oil for shell casings, wiring, plate armor and military transport. In Canada unemployment fell to record low levels of 3.9%, the gross domestic product rose by 6% yearly, and capital expenditure expanded exponentially in manufacturing and mining as US firms invested more than $3 billion in Canada to offset shrinking domestic capacity as a result of the war. The herbicide "Agent Orange" was tested for use in Vietnam at CFB Gagetown, NB. US bomber pilots practiced carpet-bombing runs over Suffield, Alberta and North Battleford, Sask, before their tours of duty in SE Asia. And the results of the only successful peace initiative to Hanoi--That of Canadian diplomat Chester Ronning--would be kept from public knowledge in order not to harm official US-Canadian relations. Ten thousand young Canadian men fought in the US armed forces in the war. At the same time 20,000 American draft-dodgers and 12,000 army deserters found refuge in Canada.

This text was written for the Canadian Encyclopedia and may be used or posted only in its entirety if the following source recognition is given to the publisher McClelland & Stewart: The 1998 Canadian & World Encyclopedia, McClelland & Stewart Inc., 481 University Avenue, Suite 900, Toronto, Ontario, M5G2E9.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:08 PM
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10. I'd love to see the whole broadcast. is it available online? n/t
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