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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:41 PM
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SENATOR LIEBERMAN SUCKS!
My latest reason for saying that:

``Brave men and women of color like Dr. Rice have, working with others, changed our nation. And now she can, and I believe will, help lead our nation to change the world and in doing so, to advance our values and protect our security for our children and grandchildren as well.'' - Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:43 PM
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1. What the hell does her race have to do with anything.
How does lying to the Senate, the nation, and the world "advance our values."
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:20 AM
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49. Oh, that's just the Repubs
playing the race card "victim" game that they spend so much time accusing US of doing.

These folks are masters at the game of turning the table and blaming us for the crimes THEY commit.

Lieberman is absolute garbage to me. He disgusts me to the point that I cannot bear to look at him or hear him speak.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:44 PM
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2. How is it brave to lie for Bush instead of standing up agaisnt him? nt
nt
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:44 PM
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3. Well he's a republican. What do you expect him to say?
He's no more a dem than Zell Miller is. Him and all the appeasers. They're all republicans as far as I'm concerned.
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VetANDIndep Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:59 PM
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18. Exactly what my
(used to be non political) husband said today after reading that statement in our republican biased newspaper. There aren't a lot of liberals here in GJ, CO but we are very vocal and pretty pushy. We have been saddened by GW stealing the election a 2nd time and worry about the effect he and his are having on our great nation. Perhaps Lieberman, like all collaborators is hoping that he'll be viewed as an ally should we turn into a police state.

I am so glad that my parents are both dead. My mother (who survived Nazi Germany) would be horrified to see what is happening in the adopted country she loved so much. And the same is true of my father a career soldier who served in the military for 30 years because he believed ours was the best country in the world and always said that unless we participated in freedom we were doomed to lose it. Although I miss them both I'm glad they can't see what is happening.
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Red_Viking Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:10 PM
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20. Welcome!
Glad you're here. :hi:

Great post--interesting insight about your parents. Heck, mine are alive and were born & raised here, and they're horrified. I can only imagine what your mother would think. Well, probably what the rest of the world thinks...they're having a terrible feeling of deja vu...

But remember, it's not fascism when we do it!

Rock on,

RV

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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:12 PM
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21. Red_Viking, my parents are horrified too.
I disagree tho about "it's not fascism when we do it!" It is more fascist every day.....
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:45 AM
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44. You might like this letter in the NY Times
The New York Times printed three letters which responded to that column, and all of the letters are good ("The Republicans and 'Character,'" Jan. 16, 2005):

To the Editor:

Re "Character Is Destiny," by William Safire (column, Jan. 12):

My father, a lifelong Republican, was a decorated war hero. He died last spring - in part, no doubt, to avoid last fall's election, in which he felt morally compelled for the first time to vote Democratic because of what Mr. Safire calls the Republican "character": pomposity disguised as conviction; dogma disguised as resolution; shortsightedness disguised as clarity.

My father despaired of our country's fallen standing in a world that once hailed us, and of policy that denies science, choice and the possibility of a better world. He despaired of the images of naked, piled-up, humiliated captives because it reminded him of what he saw when he marched into Germany.

Was it our strong "character" or our retreat into small-minded fear and self-interest that determined the last election? I find it difficult to believe that the Republicans' victory came more from a developed notion of "character" than from its shallow substitute: a jingoistic notion of manifest destiny.

Terry Gamble Boyer
San Francisco, Jan. 12, 2005


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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:44 PM
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4. jesus. how patronizing is that?
Fucking republicans.
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dobegrrrl Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:44 PM
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5. I never did like him!
Didn't he vote for impeachment too?
:thumbsdown:
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:45 PM
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6. She's so brave....that's hilarious!
It's so brave of her to be a warmonger and sit in her comfy expensive penthouse.

WHOA, that's brave!
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:45 PM
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7. Randi Rhodes said Feinstein is...
"watching out for her family's interests."

I think Lieberman is also. Do these 2 senators really have America's best interests at heart? Or do their loyalties lie outside of this country?

Flame away.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:47 PM
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9. It's the business deals
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 08:49 PM by htuttle
Feinstein's husband co-owns a company with a $600 million dollar Pentagon contract.

on edit:

Oh, they also recently snagged another Pentagon contract that's worth quite a bit more.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:49 PM
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12. woah! did not know that!
time for her to go, either way.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:19 PM
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40. they have their own interests at heart after they leave congress.
They'll probably become lobbyists for the defense industry
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:40 AM
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43. Where, outside this country, exactly?
eom.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:14 PM
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76. Why do you only question Feinstein and Lieberman's loyalties?
Hmmm....why would you single out those two among the many Democrats who backed Condi? And why would they be the only ones whose "loyalties" would be challenged?

I just can't imagine what could be the common thread....
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:18 PM
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82. No, this isn't a "get the Jews thing", Boss
I think most Jewish posters on this thread hate Joe and Diane for their votes on this, too.
Stop trolling.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:44 PM
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86. FYI: I'm Jewish and cannot stand Holy Joe LIEberman
I don't really know much about Diane Feinstein to dislike her. I know the pro choice crowd hold her up as an icon of choice, that's all I know about her though.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:46 PM
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8. Sounds like they've managed to slip Joe some Kool-Aid...
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 08:47 PM by AzDar
I personally believe he's been a DINO for quite sometime....
He would've been right at home in Bush's cabinet.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:48 PM
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10. did you JUST come to this conclusion?
He's been stinkin' up the joint for years.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:49 PM
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Lieberman
is Bush Lite.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:41 PM
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34. Hardly.
I'm from Connecticut and have known about Lieberman's suckiness for longer than most of y'all have.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:48 AM
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46. I'm glad you cleared that up!
:P
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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:49 PM
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11. Agreed.
If it were Joe instead of Boxer doing what she did today, this would be a completely different situation. That's why I say even Dems want Condi to be SoS. Otherwise, they wouldn't have two people so easyily dismissed and ignored by non-Dems; Kennedy(Liberal as hell)and Boxer(just challenged the election) as the main two Senators opposing Condi and being seen doing so on the news. There's a conspiracy theory for ya.
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progressiveright Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:50 PM
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13. beware !....
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:35 PM
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85. Emperor...er...Senator Lieberman


I made this up the last time he pissed me off.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:51 PM
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14. Lieberman loves to kill people
that is all there is to it. All the window dressing amounts to bubkas.

Bush loves to kill people even if he lies to do so, Lieberman has been supporting Bush's war and the lies since the beginning,indeed was the first to join in on the holocaust shock and awe in Iraq, therefore Lieberman loves to kill people and will lie to do it also.

The guy is corrupt.

My two cents.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:52 PM
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15. what an asshole - never did like that jowly flappy freak.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:57 PM
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16. Must be a member of the Senate Unintelligent Cmte. n/t
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:58 PM
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17. With LIeberman it begins and ends with Israel nt
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:47 PM
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22. Precisely! EOM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:48 AM
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VetANDIndep Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:32 AM
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51. Interesting.........
I've never been able to tell people apart based on religion. There is good and bad in all groups. I know Jews who went down south and lost their lives to support the rights of blacks to participate in our nations freedoms and I knew Jews who couldn't be bothered. I knew Christians who fought for equal rights for all and again some who couldn't be bothered. I knew women who fought for others and women who couldn't be bothered.

People are people and there will always be some in a group who either shine like the sun or slink in the shadows. There are always people who can never be pleased by anyone so I figure as long as you can look at yourself in the mirror every morning you're not slinking in the shadows. Yours was an interesting bit of reading.
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:06 AM
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54. Glad you liked it
Joe Lieberman LITERALLY walked the dangerous walk side by side with Dr. King and thousands of other courageous patriots in the streets of Alabama and Mississippi. He served this country for decades, often championing unpopular LEFT WING causes in the face of massive popular opposition. He is re-elected in landslide after popular landslide in Connecticut precisely because the people of that state know that, whether they agree with him or not on a particular issue, Joe Lieberman means what he says. But here, among progressives, Lieberman is repeatedly called a traitor to his country to a chorus of approval and people repeatedly level the old dual-loyalty slur that has been a popular weapon against Jews from Spain to Germany to, apparently, DU. It is not because he voted for the war. 29 other Senators, including Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Cleland and others popular in these forums, voted for the war and most of the 29 continue to support it to no less a degree than Lieberman. It is because of the Jewish shape of his face, his last name and his professed religious beliefs.

When it comes to good, old fashioned Jew-hatred, there isn't a micron of difference between the hard right of David Duke and some of the hard left found right here on DU.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:17 AM
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56. Dear, learn the difference between Jewish hatred and the
concern of Zionism as rule over our own country.

It would do you well.
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:19 AM
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57. You want to teach me something, Dear?
How about you define "Zionism." It seems to me that you're ignorant of what the word that you are throwing around means. Define what it means and then explain how it could "rule over our own country."
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:33 AM
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61. When my own interests as a United States citizen are
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 03:33 AM by Clark2008
subverted by interests of any other country - as in the Middle East in "protecting" Israel - that's treason... DEAR.

Zionism - a Jewish POLTICIAL (rather than religious) movement sought to control Israel over the Palestinians. We can go into great depths about when and how and why Israel was created, but the nuts to bolts is that the Jews, after Hitler, should know better than to treat others like dogs and give them no hope and kill people for the mere fact that they observe another Sabboth. PERIOD. That makes absolutely no sense to me or anyone else observing.

I'm awaiting the "anti-Semetic" moniker now. Which I have a great comeback for.

(Pssst... I have great knowledge of this region. I wouldn't fuck with me too much on this issue.)




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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:55 AM
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62. You have great knowledge of this region?
Did your mommy tell you that?

Who's ass did you pull that definition of Zionism out of? Why don't you try starting with a dictionary? The Zionist movement was going strong long before anyone even thought to create the term "Palestinians." in point of fact, if anyone referred to "Palestinians" at the turn of the 20th century, one would have been referring to the inhabotants of the region, including the Jews. The Jewish Jerusalem Post was originally called the Palestinian Post. Here, let me help you so that you don't strain yourself:

Main Entry: Zi·on·ism
Pronunciation: 'zI-&-"ni-z&m
Function: noun
: an international movement orig. for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel.


Now, Kerry, Clinton and, in fact, virtually every Democratic and Republican Senator and over 94% of the House supports modern Israel. Recently, in spite of Bush administration objections the Senate passed a resolution in favor of Israel 94-2 and the House passed one 352-21:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/02/politics/main507899.shtml

The U.S. congress supports modern Israel. They are, overwhelmingly, zionists. How are any of the nearly 450 Congress men and women different from Lieberman, but for the fact that most aren't Jewish? Did you vote for traitors? How is zionism supposed to "rule over our own country?"

Oh, and for your future reference, it's spelled "anti-Semitic." I'd have thought that a person with "great knowledge" would know that.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:18 PM
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78. Dry Branches vs. Zionists
Okay,

Since you are calling one's study of history into question and obviously have delved into this more than most and presumably unbiased in thought:

How many of the 6,000,000 killed in WWII of the Jewish faith were Dry Branches and how many were Zionists? What were those percentages before the Holocaust? Why would the Nazis not be more interested in Zionists than Dry Branches? Did the Zionists sell out their flock with another plan in mind?

How did Nazi supplies arrive in the expansion minded Israel in the early days? Which key figure committed suicide as such question arose?

Are you also aware of the mortality figures for the rest of the world during WWII as a direct result of fascism? Do you find it strange that a very much larger statistic is disproportionately represented in film and thought?
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:04 PM
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89. This is NOT about Lieberman's Jewishness!
Oh gawd! This is a tired and pointless assumption. Lieberman and his Jewish background has NOTHING to do with my disgust of him or anybody else who thinks he is a traitor. It is his stance on issues of morality, the support for Bush's insane war on Iraq, his role in creating the Patriot Act as well as his support for Global Free Trade. Let's not forget that he supported the impeachment of President Clinton as well. Time and again, he has gone out of step with the Democrats in these instances which are very important issues. As for him walking with MLK then he should be commended for that, but that was then and this is now. Please do not take the people's hatred of Lieberman for bigotry. There are a lot of those of the Jewish faith who hate him too I might add.


John
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 06:03 AM
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64. Politically, jews are all over the map
The best coverage of Palestine comes, not from Al Jazeera, but from Haaretz. The people most sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, outside the Arab world are often jews.

I loathe right wing jews but without left wing jews there wouldn't be a left.
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:59 AM
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69. True, Jews are all over the map
It's the reaction to them that I'm talking about. Right wing Christians, Atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. are "wrong." Right wing Jews are often charectarized here and among other "progressives" as not just "wrong" but "disloyal" and "traitorous." When you smear any Jew with the dual loyalty slur, all Jews are smeared because the message is sent: "disagree with us, Jew, and we'll know where your loyalties really lie." The far right bigots have been known to do the very same thing. Pat Buchanan is a good example of one who has (and it's no coincidence that he is somewhat popular among a number of DUers).
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 11:01 AM
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71. Right wing jews
are sometimes characterized as "disloyal" because they seem to support Israel no matter what the cost to the US.

I don't think the War in Iraq has much to do with Israel. But if it turns out that it did, I'll be pretty damn angry. I've got 4 friends or relatives who served there and one came back seriously wounded. I would not be happy knowing that they sacrificed for Israel's interest rather than America's interest while disproprotionately few right wing American jews have served.
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 11:08 AM
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72. Thank you for driving my point home
Tell me, how are Lieberman's views on Israel any different from Kerry's or Edwards' or Cleland's or Hillary Clinton's?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 12:55 PM
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73. I don't think I drove your point home
Jews are an important constituency in the Democratic Party, so most Democratic politicians pay homage to them and that mostly means giving Israel whatever it wants. You risk being called an "antisemite" and being defeated if you don't support every right wing Israeli move - see Cynthia McKinney - so who wants to take that risk for a constituency - Arab-Americans - with so little political clout.

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:14 AM
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55. Which is treason
One can be of whatever faith... and still practice said faith in the United States (well, up until the Bush age).

However, chosing another country over the United States' interest, as a citizen and, especially, as a senator, is treason. Pure and simple.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 06:07 AM
Response to Reply #55
65. I agree but
I don't think Joe Lieberman chooses Israel over the US.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 06:10 AM
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66. My biggest problems with Lieberman are
he's wrong in the Middle East and he wasn't loyal during the impeachment.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:24 PM
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79. So, are the Clintons, Kerry, Kennedys, etc traitors?
The point is that it seems we can have a rational discussion on Israel until it is a Jew who has voted in favor of Israel. Then words like "loyalty" and "treason" are thrown into the mix. For some reason, this does not happen when black lawmakers cast votes impacting Africa or when Irish lawmakers cash votes impacting Ireland.

If Ted Kennedy takes a stand on Irish independence, he's being a statesman. If Joe Lieberman takes a stand on Israel, he's being a traitor.

It's simply ridiculous.
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:00 PM
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19. lieberman has an admirable environmentalist record
yes, even for a blue dog DLC member :)
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jjtss Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:49 PM
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23. He's not loyal
to his party, his constituents or to Israel. G.Brish prizes loyalty above expertise. Mr. lieberman did himself no favors, nor his constituent, nor Israel. I am reminded that some people preferred his candicacy for pres. over that of J. Kerry. WRONG, WRONG WRONG JOE!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:49 PM
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24. Those who made him a Senator need to correct that mistake.
We have to do the same in California with Senator Feinstein.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:50 PM
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25. I noticed this didn't go in "Latest Breaking News".
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Dude_CalmDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:16 PM
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26. This asshole does more damage to us than a Repuke would in his place.
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 10:34 PM by Dude_CalmDown
The Repukes don't pretend they're Dems while fucking us. This asshat however takes our money, votes, time, energy, pride, & name while he grins to our face and fucks us when we turn around. He gets to have a "D" next to his name while putting all his energy into opposing everything Dems should stand for.

Edited: Cause I don't knows who taught me how to spoke today.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:27 PM
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27. If nothing else, Mike Malloy just tore Holy Joe a new anal opening.
Lieberman makes me embarrassed to be from Connecticut.
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Dude_CalmDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:36 PM
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31. It sucks that Malloy is only heard by those who already know. - n/t
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:33 PM
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28. And it's no wonder he is my least favorite "democrat"
I don't care what he has done for the environment. He acts and talks like what a Republican is. He is pro-war, pro-freetrade, pro-censorship, and pro-patriot act. He and others who think like him do not belong in the Democratic Party. No wonder he did poorly in his candidacy for the Democratic nomination. Joe has to go!


John
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:35 PM
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29. Good thing this wasn't in LBN....
A lot of us came to that realization about Jowly Joe about 5 years ago...
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:36 PM
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30. Why do you think I typed, "Here's my latest reason"?
As a Connecticut native, I've known about Holy Joe for longer than most of y'all have. Boy, does he suck! :puke:
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:42 PM
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36. You guys in Connecticut should get somebody to run against him.
Joe must go! Same with Feinstein and every stinking on of these so-called Democratic Senators and Congresspeople who support the Bush agenda.


John
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:25 AM
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67. I know!
Who votes for him? Mostly ReTHUGS?

I WAS being facetious, y'know....
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:37 PM
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32. He is such a jackass.
What an embarrassment. I wish he would just turn Puke and get it over with.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:40 PM
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33. It's Isreal, Isreal, Isreal with
this guy!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:13 PM
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38. Yes.
I guess a lot of his constituency is as well.
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:06 AM
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48. That Jew traitor!!
funny how no one says it's "Isreal, Isreal, Isreal" when talking about Miller or Baucus or Bayh or Biden or Cleland or Clinton, or Edwards or Harkin or Kerry or most of the other 29 Democratic senators who voted for the war (and many of whom continue to support it). Of course, most of them are not Jews, so their loyalty needn't be questioned.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:23 AM
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58. You forgot Boxer, who is also a Jew, but she is loved by this board
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 03:23 AM by Clark2008
Dear, it's not personal. It's the USA vs. Israel vs. the world.

And I'm sorry, but my interests just aren't the same as Israel's. I don't begrudge them, but our country simply should not TOTALLY share that country's - or any other country's - beliefs. Period.


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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:30 AM
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59. Boxer didn't vote for the war
Many "progressives" love Jews who agree with them. It's when they step out of line that they are suddenly "traitor Zionists." How are Lieberman's views on Israel any different than Cleland's or Edwards' or Kerry's or Clinton's? What's the difference between them, outside of Lieberman's faith and name? Or are they also traitors in your book? Did you vote for traitors?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 12:56 PM
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74. actually many people talk about hillary and her undying passion
for israel.

maybe you just have to be in nyc to hear it.
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:09 PM
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75. Oh, i know
But rarely, if ever, is she called a traitor.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:18 PM
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77. When the Clintons are challenged on Israel, the word "loyalty" is absent
It's only Jews who have their loyalty challenged.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:41 PM
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35. HE SUCKS!
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:puke:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:16 PM
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39. what a total jerk; just think, he almost became VP as a Democrat
and he sounds more and more like a pug every day
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theresistance Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:04 AM
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41. Question: what did people think about him when he was running with
Gore 2000?
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:14 AM
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42. As much as I wanted Al Gore to President
damn Joe - you bite!
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:01 AM
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47. This is forgivable, under one scenario:
Here's the scenario: Joe really and truly is concerned about the environment and feels the best, possibly only way to actually get anything done in a Republican controlled white house, congress, and senate is to keep the peace with Republicans on all other issues. He understands that in the good 'ol boy network he has a good chance of getting them to vote on/pass legislation to protect the environment if they like him.

The fact is, the Republicans do like Joe. Even my stupid Bush loving family members respect him. And if he can use their support to create progress on the environment, then that is no small deal. The environment is terribly, detrimentally important issue.

So Joe does what he has to do to make it happen, IF that's what's going on. I would like to think that is what's going on.
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VetANDIndep Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:24 AM
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50. What good does it do to lie with pigs
when in the end you simply end up like them? There were many that rationalized their inclusion into the Nazi party. And some indeed tried to stop the madness. And I like you hope this is the case. But he's done things in the past that are questionable. :-(

I have a few republican friends who are horrified by this whole election. In fact one voted for Kerry because she couldn't abide by King George one more time.

I cried for 4 days after the announcement and my husband and I debated if we should even stay in this country. But we're both veterans and love our country and to leave would mean it can't be saved. It it can. All chickens eventually come home to roost.

As for King George, people don't really change. He was a spoiled playboy when he was young and I bet he's still doing the same things. I don't think it was a slip of the tongue when Condi said (when asked about something) "I need to ask my Hus.........the president". funny how the news didn't report this slip more then a few times. But it does make you wonder........

We must make sure that the next election is honest and we must prepare for the fight for both houses. We only have a bit of time to prepare. The Democratic party must grow some "stones". It seems that Barbara (from Calif who led the charge against Condi) is one of the few that has any. At least that's what my DH said after hearing her. Neither of us are Democrats, we are independents, but we're pulling for the party. Of course one thing we must do is get more people to vote (my favorite line is would you allow someone to pick out your clothes or decide if you can watch a movie? You say no, yet you do this very thing by allowing 37% of this country to make decisions for you because they vote. Funny how many people registered and voted because of this. If that doesn't work I keep hammering. Statements such as " You know over 90% of Canadians vote. Are they more democratic then us?" Funny the things you can say in the checkout line and the conversations that are started.

If we had 100% of our nation voting we could actually have an impact on the choices our leaders make. Right now the corporations have money but we have votes and votes are more valuable.....sorry I'll step down from the soapbox now. I need to get to bed anyway...

Keep up the good fight. :D
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:37 AM
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52. There is no other issue that I feel this way about
I would kiss a Republicans dirty shoes if that's what it took to get them to help the environment. I would seriously swallow my pride for this issue. The entire world is at stake when it comes to the environment. I don't care what it takes. I don't care if Joe or anybody else sleeps with the enemy if that's what it takes to sway the Republicans to use their power right now to help the environment. The other democrats can focus on the other issues. Joe's ok in my book if he manages to find a way to actually get something done here.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:38 AM
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Raised_In_The_Wild Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:32 AM
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60. Yes, you're right, he sucks out loud! Little wannabe repluklican lite! nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:57 AM
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63. Wannabe Lizard:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:58 AM
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:02 AM
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70. I don't believe that Condi even stood in student protest line to be spit
on. I believe she was taught that non-violent demonstrations were beneath her. Brave? What the hell has she ever done to be considered "brave?"
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Fleurs du Mal Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:53 PM
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80. He's such a horror
Every time I hear him speak I become disgusted with the conservative drivel oozing out of his pea brain.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:23 PM
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81. Yes he does, but "Joementum" will carry him forward...
NT!

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:21 PM
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84. TO A FIVE WAY TIE FOR THIRD!!!!!
(or was that a three way tie for fifth?)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:20 PM
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83. Woman of color - haven't heard that one in awhile.
I saw Loserman on The Daily Show and I SWEAR he told John, "I have a high tolerance to cocaine" when asked how he holds up to Bush 'winning' a second time.
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Rapcw Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:46 PM
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87. He's an asshole n/t
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TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:38 PM
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88. What did Gore see in this guy?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:37 PM
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90. Democrats playing the "morality card" foisted him off on Gore. Being
two-faced has nothing to do with morality in Lieberman's book.
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