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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:14 PM
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Lawsuit filed against President Bush,Vice President Cheney-PNAC-kick pleas
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 04:10 PM by evolvenow
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7751.htm
Doug Wallace

WASHINGTON -- January 18 "Information Clearing House" --  A lawsuit was filed late Friday January 14th in the U.S. District Court in Reno, Nevada against President Bush and Vice President Cheney. The lawsuit alleges that both defendants have acted outside the scope of their job description in waging a war against Iraq. The complaint alleges that both defendants and others working within the White House and Defense Department have covertly implemented a white paper called “Rebuilding America’s Defenses:” as presented by the Project for the New American Century or PNAC in September, 2000 two months before the murky elections of that year. Among the persons signing the paper were Richard Cheney and Jeb Bush. While the paper was published on the internet, implementation of it by the White House has been in secret.

The thrust of the white paper calls for the complete domination of the globe by the US with wars against Iraq, Syria, and Iran, domination of outer space and of Cyberspace. It calls for an enlarged military to fight simultaneous wars. Security bases world wide with extensive constabulary forces posted to keep all nations subservient to US military and economic power. It also calls for nuclear rockets to be fired from Spy satellites to suppress any challenge to US global domination.

The class action lawsuit filed by retired attorney and great-grandfather, Doug Wallace alleges that the defendants have violated their oaths of office in entering into a private treaty relating to International relations without approval of the Congress and have made a mockery of the Constitution under a false banner of a war on terrorism.

The lawsuit seeks an injunction against further implementation of the PNAC plan without a 2/3 vote of the congress and a full disclosure to the American Public. It also names John Does 1-100 as defendants. The suit seeks restitution to the US Treasury from all Defendants of the cost of the war with Iraq and also seeks a ruling that since the deception about the war and execution of it was outside of their job descriptions they should all be individually liable to private persons injured as a result of their illegal conduct. To view Complaint go to www.dougwallace.com Under the circumstances, notice of support to the court would be appropriate (A printable copy is available at page 26 on website ). CONTACT: Founders Freedom Defense Fund : Doug Wallace 775-833-5010
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:16 PM
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1. Doug Wallace for AG
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:21 PM
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5. Keep this kicked! n/t
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:42 PM
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25. KICK
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:16 PM
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2. The tide is turning
The Boxer virus is spreading.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:17 PM
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3. Wow, very nice!
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:19 PM
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4. I realy hope that all knowledgable DUers will
email or fax or otherwise send this gentleman any and every bit of evidence that will support his case.

I have just spent the better part of an hour reading documentation to show that the BFEE was complicit in 911. All of these things MUST be connected and if THEY will not connect the dots then it is up to us.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:23 PM
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6. Finally someone mentions PNAC -
I hope he has luck with this.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:09 AM
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48. I hope he has a good 'safe house.' If he's close to the Truth...
they'll try and stop him from going forward. That's the Bushco way.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:51 AM
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63. Kick! About damn time somebody took these freaks on!
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:32 PM
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7. Kick!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:36 PM
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8. kick
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:38 PM
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9. Deleted message
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:57 PM
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17. Yeah, "another one". Another American patriot who
will not take this sort of murderous criminality laying down.

It's GRAND, DON"T YOU THINK?!!!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:11 AM
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84. It's because the freeps know it's all true. If they were sure bush was
innocent, they'd sit back & say hey go to it, investigate all you want, no skin of our noses.

It's only when you know it's rotten that you need to try and attack others to keep them from investigating.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:42 PM
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10. The RW smothered Clinton in bogus lawsuits his last term
There is nothing "bogus" about all these lawsuits against the Bushies. Keep 'em comin'.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:43 PM
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11. A link below opens a letter which you can print out and sign and send....
After the fiasco of November 2nd, we have discovered that we cannot rely on politicians or even politically controlled offices of Secretaries of States who control voting. If we are going to have an America of "We the People", we are going to have to take back the  Government from the politicians and place them under our control.

As an outgrowth of this lawsuit, ( and I admit we are plowing new ground) we need to use every  legal strategy available to obtain control of our government which  we the people are supposed to own.  A definition of a fascist regime is one in which control has been obtained by extreme right-wing elements. And that is where we are  today. We need to end that with an:

AMERICAN REVOLUTION 'O5

I will make suggestions for that in the near future. What we need to do now is  not allow Bush and Cheney the "mantle"  of office for the new term. That "mantle" of  appearing bigger and more powerful than life itself will not descend upon them if we stand together in this struggle.

And you know what? WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO IT!

"All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

Please support me in this effort. A link below opens a letter which you can print out and sign and send to the court to demonstrate support.. I would like to see it received by the court in the hundreds of thousands However, be certain to mark the outside of the envelope, "Wallace v Bush, et al ". This will allow the court to count and store without opening.

http://www.dougwallace.com/
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 04:06 PM
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76. Bumping to help connect the dots! ........Please click on the link!..
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:44 PM
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12. Wahoo! This will be the way we get them out of office.
If Congress won't act to impeach them for war crimes then let the lawsuits begin.
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Undercover Owl Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:19 PM
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57. Can we get B*sh impeached already? nt
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:45 PM
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13. Let's Get those Letters Mailed and THUGS JAILED!! kick
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:49 PM
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14. I think this all just might be getting serious. Just look at all today's
threads in GD, LBN and Editiorials. Is this a trickle that could be turning into a flood? Is there room for more John Doe's?
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:05 PM
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19. YEP! Plenty o' room for Jane and John Doe until B*shler
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 04:07 PM by evolvenow
and his War Criminal Club perp walk into the Hague, or Gitmo. IMHO.

Anarchy, Excellent question, well worth asking.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:12 AM
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49. Cheney's traveling to Auschwitz tomorrow for ceremonies...
n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:20 PM
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58. they are there today I believe
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:52 PM
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15. ...this comes under the category of
"Well, It couldn't hurt."
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:55 PM
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16. "EXCUSES" This is a must read.
EXCUSES

By: Devvy

January 24, 2005

NewsWithViews.com

"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning..." --- Thomas Paine, Common Sense (1776)

Each time one of my columns appears on NewsWithViews.com or WorldNetDaily.com, my e-mail box instantly fills up with excuses. If I had a nickel for every excuse I have received over the past decade or so, I'd be a millionaire. It doesn't matter what the subject matter is, everyone has an excuse why "it" can't be done. This is one of the reasons I wrote my "Where have all the men gone" column several years ago - because I continue to see a whole lot of people with excuses about how this or that can't be done. Don't people realize that this defeatist attitude is exactly what the shadow government wants? They want to beat people down until they grow so weary, they simply give up and that's how slaves are made.

snip to the end:

Let "Operation Clean Sweep" be our battle cry and begin today - because every day counts from now until the elections. All the money in the world will not protect you from the hell coming to America courtesy of the architects of a one world government. They are more powerful than individuals like Mel Gibson or Bill Gates and they crush those who get in the way without a second thought. Get involved and use the resources you're blessed with to help elect constitutionalists and not more party puppets. For those in a state of denial, God speed. It is regrettable that the truth is too painful for you to accept.

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd87.htm

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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:59 PM
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18. kick
Every American, Every citizen of the world, needs to know about PNAC.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:08 PM
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20. Who is Doug Wallace?
Is there any chance this lawsuit will be taken seriously? We have been here in the dark dungeons of the internet screaming about PNAC for years now. Will this suit actually have any effect?
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:13 PM
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22. If thousands send letters, get press, Drip, Drip, Drip...plus
every legal action builds a bigger picture in the collective human picture.
What if there were big legal cases around the world...it would get might hard to go anywhere...without the threat of being tried for WAR CRIMES, like in Germany...The Truth about PNAC is a superb step in the right direction for Justice.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:12 PM
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21. KICKING
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:19 PM
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23. Everyone save everything you have on PNAC ASAP. I have a feeling
info may be disappearing(sp?) soon. Just a server crash, "don't you know"?

PNAC and info distribution coupled with multiple worldwide lawsuits could bring this admin and corrupt officials down. Mainly this involves a huge effort on education. Most people have never heard of PNAC.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:39 PM
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24. Yes! Here are a few out of 215,000

PNAC.info - Exposing the Project for the New American Century
PNAC Watch -- Exposing the Project for the New American Century's
plan for a unipolar world -- PNAC Watch. Attention: Do ...
www.pnac.info

Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
stopsleeping. Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Project for the
New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that ...
home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html - 14k - Jan 22, 2005 -

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century



Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free ...
Project for the New American Century. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (Redirected
from PNAC). ... . Analysis of PNAC. PNAC.info (http://pnac.info). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC


PNAC
... Direct access to this page: http://pnac.tvnewslies.org. ... Discuss PNAC in our PNAC
forum!!! ... PNAC - The Project for a New American Century; the neo-cons. ...
www.tvnewslies.org/html/pnac.html

The Project for the New American Century
... William Rivers Pitt: 02/25/03 The Project for the New American Century,
or PNAC, is a Washington-based think tank created in 1997. ...
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

PNAC Primer
... org. How We Got Into This Imperial Pickle: A PNAC Primer. Bernard Weiner
Co-Editor, The Crisis Papers. May 26, 2003. ... Setting Up PNAC. To ...
www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

The Pontifical North American College Web site
... The Rector's Corner. Click here to read a personal greeting
from the Rector to our PNAC.ORG web site! ...
www.pnac.org/

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:43 PM
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26. I have tons of articles saved here at DU >
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:48 PM
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28. Steph, save them out of DU onto a hard drive, CD, floppy or whatever.
Don't rely upon being able to get what you want off the Internet. It is a dangerous place to be.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:53 PM
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73. That's a "rodger dodger"..... get it on your hard disk and a ...
"double backup" on a "high grade" CD!

:-)
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:50 PM
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72. A Point Well Taken!..
Perhaps we should download every thing we can from the PNAC site, y'a think!!

:-)
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:47 PM
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27. Is this why Judy Woodruff on PBS(?) recently mentioned PNAC+neocons?
Is the mainstream media preparing to explain this away when it surfaces in the public's mind?

NOTE: PUT YOUR FIREWALLS UP. DOD IS HITTING DU-ERS COMPUTERS. IT ACCELERATED AROUND THE INAUG-URINATION.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:49 PM
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30. let Judy have on people to talk about this...then I might listen to her
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:51 PM
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32. Do you have any proof of that?
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:56 PM
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33. Yup. see this thread with people checking their firewalls. It's nationwide
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:37 AM
Response to Reply #27
50. Thought it was me.
I knew something was accelerating after a certain point "here." Packed to the brim on this end, yet know, if you get gist.

Never heard it PNAC. Read articles from links. OMG! Passing this to everyone I know! OMG! & WTF!

:WTF:
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #50
74. Also, Google "POAC",,,,Project for the Old American Century..eom
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WarNoMore Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:48 PM
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29. Kick! n/t



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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:50 PM
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31. OMG this is wonderful..thanks ..n/t
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:18 PM
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41. WOW!
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 05:01 PM
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34. Hope this has some legs....
Unforturnately, this will probably go nowhere, this judge is a Republican appointtee, he'll find a way to throw it out...what has to be done is to find a state with Judges on our side, then file something like this...this is a pretty good and well thought out case...Never the less, I sent letter of support...





http://air.fjc.gov/servlet/tGetInfo?jid=1569


Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court, District of Nevada
Nominated by Ronald Reagan on September 28, 1984, to a new seat created by 98 Stat. 333; Confirmed by the Senate on October 4, 1984, and received commission on October 4, 1984. Served as chief judge, 1997-2002.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/wake_up_america.html

http://www.shundahai.org/NV%20Judge%20Rubber%20Stamps%20Federal%20Cattle%20Theft%20by%20JJ_%20Johnson-%20Sierra%20Times_com.htm

http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/shoshone/misconductmckibben.html
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 05:41 PM
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35. well this sure explains a lot
Big Brother Is Watching

thanks for the info

KL
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 05:45 PM
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36. It's about time
someone shed some light on the evils of PNAC. Sheesh. That only took FOREVER! Go, Doug Wallace! :bounce:
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:27 PM
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37. kick- Send to your lists, let the letters flow, let the media know...
we know the real story. Not the lies they are pushing.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:48 PM
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38. I have become so discouraged
maybe this will bring me around!

Jenn
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:11 PM
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40. Laylah, I completely understand. Hang in there, the world needs you!
:grouphug:
First B*sh trial possible in Cananda, Runnny running from Germany...let the Perp walk Begin!!!

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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:00 AM
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98. Thanks for the
:grouphug:, evolvenow. I have gotten to the point I can barely stand to read the news (on Buzzflash or anywhere else, certainly not in the local "rag"), I don't even watch C-Span anymore.

That these people continue to do whatever they choose and get by with it has gotten too much for me to wrap my mind around.

That said, it's hard to keep a good wo/man down. I may be (temporarily) down but I'm sure not out :bounce:

Thanks again,
Jenn
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:39 PM
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39. kick
nt
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:23 PM
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42. Someone inform Mr. Wallace a Republican president can do anything
he wants, no matter its constitutionality or legality.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:18 PM
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56. In the same manner - people can sue about anything.
It's all a matter of what you can get away with - for all parties.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:05 PM
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43. Kick-A*s!!
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:14 PM
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44. PNAC link
Here's the summary of the way it all went down:
1. A number of Right-Wing Republican neocons wrote up the "Project For A New American Century"
plan (PNAC), a blueprint for the US to:
According to PNAC, America must:
* Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia
and the Middle East;
* Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft,
submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
* Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a
strategic dominance of space;
* Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
* Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic
product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.
See this url for more info:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.ht...
2. Saddam wanted Iran (Iraq's enemy) to believe that he still had WMD's,
so he wouldn't cooperate with WMD inspectors. If Iran thought that Saddam
didn't have WMD's (which in fact he did not), then Iraq could potentially be
attacked by Iran.
3. Bush wanted to go into Iraq from "Day 1" of his administration, because
it was the PNAC plan (see item #1) above, and because Saddam at one point put
a "hit" out on Bush Senior.
4. The Bush administration setup the "office of Special Plans" in the Pentagon

I suggest that you all read the whole PNAC document. It was signed by Wolfoshitz, Cheney, etc, and its a blueprint for what they have been doing and plan to do. It's all in black and white and they signed it.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 03:31 PM
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45. kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:59 AM
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46. Really Important! Please keep kicked! Thanks
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:37 AM
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47. I am unable to open the letter of support
Can anyone cut and paste it here?

TIA
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tweekinnow Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:56 AM
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51. Cut and paste & converter
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 05:02 AM by tweekinnow
Posted below are the "Letter to the Court" conversion from the Doug Wallace website and a M/S Word document coversion tool link:
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Chief Judge Howard McKibben
United States District Court
District of Northern Nevada
400 S. Virginia Street
Reno, Nevada 89502 RE: Wallace V. Bush, et al CV-N-05-0025-HDM-VPC

To Honorable Judge McKibben,

This letter, although in standard format, expresses my/our personal approval and support of legal efforts of Mr. Doug Wallace to expose and bring to trial George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney for an injunction against any further implementation of the strategy
plan under the Project for the New American Century or PNAC.

We are a peace loving nation and have always stood up for the equal rights of all persons in the world. We are opposed to any effort to further enlarge the dominant power of the United States and indeed seek to bring our nation back into line as a brotherhood of nations.

Please accept this letter as an indication of my/our desire to be among the class of citizens
of plaintiffs for which Mr. Wallace is defending the Constitution.


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- Street Address

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City State


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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:09 PM
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54. Thanks! Be sure to Write Wallace vs. Bush on outside of envelope-kick
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 05:11 AM
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52. Prescott, Herbert, and Walker have a long history of treason.
When Prescott bush was head of the Union Banking Corp, he was secretly financing the NAZI war effort against the United States, and its allies. This scandal wound up in federal court where Prescott wound up with his assets being seized.

Herbert bush conspired with the Iranians to detain 444 American hostages in exchange for sophisticated weapons and military secrets. Once head of the CIA, Herb and Ron became one of the worlds biggest drug dealers as they financed a covert war in South America through Oliver North.

When Herb became president after Ron, his boy (I would love to say Elroy) embezzled 40 billion dollars through the S&L scandal without prosecution.



His brother the shrub stole the 2000 election in a fraudulent election, and went on to commit more crimes against America than I have time to type.

This was well symbolized in Florida with the gerrymandering efforts of brother Jeb and the fiasco of the Fla election.

Evidently, criminal tendencies run in the family.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 05:36 PM
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53. nt
:kick:
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:15 PM
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55. kick
nt
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:33 PM
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59. Hell yes, I'll kick it!
:kick:
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:01 PM
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60. Kick. This is about as 'un-frivolous' a lawsuit as you can get.
"Demand that you cease and desist conquering the world."

Sorry, no out-of-court settlements accepted.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:47 PM
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61. Letter printed and sent. Thanks!!!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:58 PM
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62. Sending letters.
I will send a few for my family and some friends.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 05:37 AM
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64. Fantastic! Let's fill the court with Wallace vs. Bush !! kick
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:46 AM
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65. If you can, please help this guy.......
From a member of The Randi Rhodes message board
"I spoke with this attorney this morning. Very nice man and very determined. he needs us to spread the word and of course any that can donate to the cause as well...."
i know everyone asks for money and so many of these things are exercises in frustration, but if you can spare anything, please do.
We never know what one thing will turn the tide.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:10 AM
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66. -- KICK --
:kick:
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:11 AM
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67. Great! Bump to top.....
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:12 AM
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68. one more kick!!!!!
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:26 PM
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69. MESSAGE FROM DOUG WALLACE
HELP….. Why I NEED FINANCIAL HELP!

Please don’t make the mistake of thinking that because I am a “retired” attorney, I have the necessary financial resources to proceed with the lawsuit on my own. To think so would be a fatal mistake.

I have been a carpentry contractor most of my life. I went to law school at age 37 in order to be trained to do what I am now seeking to do.

The defendants have unlimited resources (your tax money) to keep me turned in paperwork circles to the point of exhaustion. That is the tactic they will use and they will be successful at it unless I have the finances to build my own prosecution team.

I can act as my own attorney but it is unlikely that the court will allow me to act as attorney for the class. Which means attorneys will have to be hired.

In the past week well over 3,000 individuals have looked at my web site. I have had a number of emails which encourage me to persist and telephone calls for which I am grateful. However, if those 3,000+ people had put $10.00 into the fund, I would be very encouraged. As it is, a few dedicated souls have donated a total less than $200.00. (The filing fee alone was $150.00) So please pass the word…. this is everyone’s struggle and I have to have more help than a kind word of support.

If enough people put $1.00 into the fund it could be enough. But believe me this lawsuit will not go where we want it to unless there is a ground swell of moral and financial support.

I stuck my neck out for you so please don’t let fascists win another round!

FOUNDERS FREEDOM DEFENSE FUND NEEDS YOUR CONTRIBUTION!


Doug


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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:38 PM
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70. some more info on PNAC
SORRY TO BEAT THIS TO DEATH (LOL)
What’s in it for you?
In 1997 a Washington DC “think tank” whose goal is to promote American global leadership was born. A non-profit organization devised to discuss and strategize both domestic and foreign policy. The members were mostly men from past American Presidential cabinets, US Military and Media.http://www.newamericancentury.org/statemen...fprinciples.htmIn 1998 this organization sent a letter to President Bill Clinton asking for the US to begin a pre-emptive war with Iraq. They requested an increase in defense spending and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests. Bill Clinton refused them. http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclin...tonletter.htmIn Sept. 2000 this group published a document called Rebuilding America’s Defenses. An 89-page document that reads like a blueprint for pre-emptive war on many nations. The first of the wars to be with Iraq followed by Iran, Syria and many other Middle Eastern states to in their own words “control their resources” for America. Additionally the document outlines plans for China’s “looming threat”. It reads in some respects like Hitler’s "Mein Kampf." The document makes such sweeping statements as:· The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.· Iran is perhaps a far greater threat to U.S. oil hegemony· Fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars to establish American dominance for all to see· The United States will require bases and stations within and beyond Western Europe and Northeast Asia· Demand American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations· Advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool· The need to provoke terrorists to attack in American cities· Use of fear to rally the American people· And finally, "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."On September 11th, 2001 the PNAC saw their “New Pearl Harbor”, a door of opportunity that opened and they stormed right through it.http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebuildi...casDefenses.pdfOn September 20th 2001, NINE days after 911 the National Security Strategy of theUnited States of America also known as the Bush Doctrine was released by President George W. Bush. It is an ideological match to the PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses report issued a year earlier. In many places, it uses exactly the same language to describe America's new place in the world.http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.pdfWhen Bush assumed the Presidency, the men who created and nurtured the imperial dreams of PNAC became the men who run the Pentagon, the Defense Department and the White House. PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" report is the institutionalization of plans and ideologies that have been formulated for decades by the men currently running American government. The PNAC Statement of Principles is signed by: Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, I. Libby, as well as by Eliot Abrams, Jeb Bush, Bush's special envoy to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad, and many others. William Kristol, famed conservative writer for the Weekly Standard, is also a co-founder of the group. The Weekly Standard is owned by Ruppert Murdoch, who also owns international media giant Fox News.

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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:56 PM
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71. kick
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:55 PM
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75. Kerry's daughter threatened? Anyone else hear this rumor?
I read his "MY VIEW OF JOHN KERRY POST FACTO THE ELECTION" page, here: http://www.dougwallace.com/MY%20VIEW%20OF%20JOHN%20KERRY%20POST%20FACTO%20THE%20ELECTION.htm

and at the very bottom was this nugget:

There was no effort on the part of the Kerry campaign to inform Americans of PNAC. Indeed where in all the congress have we heard from any member about it?

Originally, I had intended to join Kerry as a beneficiary of the lawsuit but after his sudden collapse on the morning of November 3rd followed by his going offshore during January 6th Congressional consideration of the electoral vote, I decided he was not worthy of any help from even those who had voted for him. Collusion with or cowardice in the face of the enemy with desertion from his supporters could be seen when he had promised that “every vote counted”. Is he now just “loyal” opposition?

There is however, a rumor that his daughter's life had been threatened should he attempt to challenge the outcome of the election. Should this be true then a different light is cast on the issue and it would demonstrate the risk factor that must be taken by anyone who seeks to correct the flaws in our present system of government.


Anyone else hear of this rumor?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:36 PM
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107. I did not see this before
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 04:11 PM
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77. Link for "POAC", The Project for the Old American Century...
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 04:19 PM by coreystone
Link: http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=poac&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D395d5d07597a184b%26clickedItemRank%3D3%26userQuery%3Dpoac%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.oldamericancentury.org%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPTop%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oldamericancentury.org%2F

Statment of Principle

Revised Jan 12, 2005

American foreign and domestic policy is adrift. Progressives, liberals, and democrats have criticized the incoherent policies of the Bush Administration. Even members of the once noble Republican Party are parting ranks with a GOP that has been infiltrated and commandeered by a minority of far right extremists whose only obligation is to the corporations that birthed them and fund them. The vetoing of the Fairness Doctrine by President Ronald Reagan and the Telecom Act of 1996 have all but eliminated any rational discourse of opposing ideas on the airwaves. While claiming victimization at the hands of a non-existent liberal media, a few powerful men with an agenda to utilize this nation's decreasingly free press as a propaganda tool, have cornered the market on talk radio and simultaneously created their own propagandist cable "news" channel. This has been a dangerous first step in creating a media where only one political voice is heard and the populace is at risk of being manipulated rather than informed. The effects of this can already be seen in a study by the Program on International Policy Attitudes that showed that viewers of Fox news were far more likely to be misinformed on the issues surrounding the Iraq war than people who got their information elsewhere. (view the study here .pdf format)

We aim to change this. We aim to make use of the internet as if it were Radio Free America, or Resistance Radio. The voices exposing the lies and hypocrisy of the far right as they legislate in favor of their campaign donors to the detriment of citizen health and the environment will be heard. Those who would lie us into believing that a defenseless third world nation posed an immediate threat, kill hundreds of thousands, spread deadly depleted uranium across a country, and make billions in profit for the companies of which they are former CEOs will have their daily actions documented here. We will be the free press.

As the 21st century dawns, the United States stands as the world's preeminent “super” power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America is now the world's only super-power. Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to the American principles of truth, justice, and freedom that this nation was founded upon in 1776? We currently are under no threat of invasion, yet our defense budget accounts for 50% of the worlds military spending and is larger than the next 27 countries combined. We have set a dangerous precedent with the introduction of a strategy of preemptive invasion and looking for justification only after our target has been reduced to chaos. Nuclear sites with dangerous materials are looted for weeks before becoming secured, yet oil wells are secured almost immediately. The alleged war on terror has succeeded in increasing the proliferating of nuclear materials for "dirty bombs" instead of seizing them. We feel this is not the behavior we should be setting as the worlds only superpower and potential role model.


>snip

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 04:12 PM
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78. Any MSM coverage?
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. kick - send this info to as many people as possible! THanks
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:13 PM
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80. Repeat: The Link For the "The Project for the New American Century"...
is: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Statement of Principles

June 3, 1997


American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
I. Lewis Libby
Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz

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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. kick!
:bounce:
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:40 PM
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81. From the U. of Florida.....DU is considered an "extremist" site!
What is "plaza" as it refers to the University of Florida? And, are our tax dollars going toward declaring "DU" as an "extremist" internet site? :-)

http://plaza.ufl.edu/slasher/extremists.htm
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:03 AM
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86. Well, it says alot about their political views.
There must be an equal and opposite reaction. Odds are that they are further along the path of right-wing radicalism than we are on the left.
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boofdah Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:48 AM
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89. Well...
...United for Peace and Justice and Michael Moore are also blacklisted on that UF site; but so are so-called "Right/Paleo-conservative" groups, which is telling.

Gee (scratches head), think UF is being overrun by a bunch of neocons/PNAC ppl?
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. Welcome to DU boofdah !
And, yes. I do think you are right on target.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:59 AM
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83. Kick- the Mock out of Democracy!!!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:48 AM
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85. KICK!
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:35 AM
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87. kick !!
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boofdah Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:43 AM
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88. Kick and here's some more donation info...
If you're lazy like me and don't like to use snail-mail for donations, you can donate through PayPal directly on Mr. Wallace's site:

http://www.dougwallace.com/

Scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page and click Make A Donation to pay via PayPal.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:34 AM
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91. Your link is thwarted by Web Blocker.
Is there another way that I can read article 7751?
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:22 PM
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92. Is this what you are looking for? KICK!
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:57 PM
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93. Nope. This is the message:
<<Request blocked by WebBlocker>>

Web Blocker is a Major Internet censoring tool that is used by people who control Internet access to filter out material they deem as being unsuitable. Most use it to filter out sexual content.

Evidently, your link is being censored by them. I will have to try a different computer and Internet account to view it.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:49 PM
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94. kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:28 PM
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95. kick for the Perp walk of history!!!
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:03 AM
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96. kick for http://foundersfreedomdefensefund.blogspot.com/
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Tommy Boyd Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:48 AM
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97. BBC to offer Bush opposers live airtime tonight 29th January
Good evening from England.

Tomorrow Saturday 29th January, the BBC are holding a George Bush debate night run by popular radio host Tommy Boyd. The programme is unique in the fact that it invites participation worldwide, and the BBC will call you up and pay for the call. You can also listen live on the internet and email during the show.

Please visit the following URL for more information:
http://www.btinternet.com/~bbkuk/tbshrine/bushnight.htm

Mr Boyd will be celebrating George Bush' achievements as President of the United States, but is more than willing to take calls from people who disagree with his viewpoints during the debate. In fact, he will also have a revelation about George Bush' past that reveals some startling evidence about his ancestory that I'm sure you will enjoy.

To participate, please email us offlist at [email protected] with the name you would like to use, your rough location and phone number. All details are kept confidential. You could be live on BBC radio Saturday 29th January from 10pm GMT (international times on the site and the end of this email).

You can also email Mr Boyd himself at [email protected] -- tons of emails are read out during the show, but callers take priority. It will be a fun night, and everyone is welcome to join in.

Thank you for your consideration.

Kind Regards
The Tommy Boyd Shrine Team (Jason & Roger)

Tune in to the 3 hour George Bush debate on the live internet feed this Saturday
From 10pm GMT, 5pm EST, 2pm PST
BBC Southern Counties radio:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/localradio.shtml?scounties
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:50 PM
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100. Welcome! Great post! kick
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:39 AM
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99. Donated and KICK!
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:19 AM
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101. Kick!
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:51 AM
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102. kick the PNAC where it could count!
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:09 AM
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103. kick
Thank goodness someone listened.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:14 AM
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104. Welcome xmas! kick- Let's get those Letters Mailed, War Thugs Jailed!!
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:17 AM
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105. kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:14 PM
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106. kick for Karma!!!
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:14 AM
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108. kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:02 PM
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109. kick for Justice!
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:25 AM
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110. kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:44 AM
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111. kick the Account into Accountability!! Murder is Not a Family Value!
Guilty, Guilty, Guilty.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 03:05 AM
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115. Kick - You get the tar, I'll get the feathers.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 08:58 AM
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112. kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:42 PM
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113. Send to Everyone ! kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:42 AM
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114. kick-ing
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 09:47 AM
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116. Ups-a-dazy!
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 05:34 PM
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117. kick for a real Hero!!
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 05:36 PM
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118. fabulous news.
good for grandpa. he has my 100% support.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 05:29 AM
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119. kick
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 03:42 PM
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120. kick
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 05:47 AM
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121. Kicking Early In The Morning!
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