Iran war will never happen, but if it does...

[Dawgs]

we will lose the support of the rest of the world for decades.

We will have an uprising in this country that will rival what we saw in the sixties.

Our allies will actually start to pull for our "enemy".

We will get our butt's kicked because of our tired and weak military.

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I think it will never happen because I have faith in the human spirit. I think it will be political suicide to take on another war... here or abroad. I think many Americans(* supporters) are very close to turning on Bush in regards to Iraq, and many in Congress know this. Also, who the hell is going to support us after Iraq... Australia or the UK. I doubt it. Their citizens are even more upset with their governments.

I know many of you are skeptical, but Bush and his administration can not take on this effort alone. Does anyone actually believe they will get any support after this last cluster-fuck?

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Disagree with #2 and #4.

The people will think what they are told to think by the MSM.

We will attack from the air & with cruise missiles, no ground war.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

3. And how is the air war going to hold Iran?

Sorry, ground war will be necessary, as it was in Iraq-and even worse results will ensue.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. Ground war will be impossible. Remember, the putative reason

for attacking Iran is to dismantle their nuke program.

[leesa]

8. The reason we have always wanted Iran is oil and the right-of-way

for pipelines. Dismantling nukes is only the excuse. Sheesh! After all this time you are going to believe their self-serving lies?

[BlueEyedSon]

11. LOL... but seriously, do you really think they would risk a ground war?

[franksumatra]

14. that's exactly what they said about IRAQ, they won't send ground troops

i remember it well.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

17. yes

not their kids, remember

[BlueEyedSon]

18. But that would be nutty lunatic craziness!

[Dawgs]

7. I'm sorry, but I am sick and tired of the negativity and excuses...

I agree that the MSM is biased, but does that mean we should just give up? Do you remember what happened in New York at the RNC? That was a large group of people that could actually make it to the New York area. Do you remember the protests before the Iraq war?

Believe it or not, there is a lot more outrage today than prior to 03/2003. I think you'd be surprised when you see many more people going to the streets before any new war... including me.

I would agree with your second statement, but that's what we all thought before the Iraq war. Bush is not interested in just destroying weapons. He is interested in taking over countries that have resources we want. It's all about the money. If he just bombs Iran with missiles he gets nothing.

[rman]

12. simply predictions, not suggestions on how to act.

who said we *should* give up?

[sweetheart]

13. MSM - Micro Soft Management?

I've seen this acronym, and i obviously missed its source. What
does it stand for?

[BlueEyedSon]

15. MainStream Media

[ellie]

16. Mainstream Media-MSM

[complain jane]

2. But I thought all of this would have happened after the WMD debacle

and it didn't. And I don't know why.

[Wright Patman]

5. People who were deceived

on that massive a scale never can afford to admit it to themselves. There are still around half the American people walking around thinking there WERE WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam ordered 9-11.

There is no way ever to convince these people they are wrong. The "cognitive dissonance" would make their heads explode, assuming there are any functioning neurons left. They will always seek justifications for the perpetual war and ridicule those who aren't "with them" (and are, thus, "with the terrorists").

Repeat after me: "We are the good guys ... We are the good guys ... We are the good guys .... "

[Dawgs]

10. Disagree...

Support for the Iraq war keeps going down. After no WMD's were found, there was some * supporters that actually started to turn on him.

I'm not saying you couldn't be right. The past few years should have made us all realize how blind and ignorant American's have become. I just think at some point, many more Americans will say 'enough is enough'.

We have no more troops, no more money, and no more support.

[atreides1]

21. Support for war goes down, but Bush has the power

Yes support for the war is going down, and Bush doesn't have the support for his Social Security rip off either, but perhaps you can explain to me why his overall approval rating is as high as it is.

You give too much to credit to the sheep and kool-aid drinkers, those who have said enough is enough belong groups like this one,
they will be the ones turning their backs on the Dictator Bush this Thursday, they are the ones that marched against this war of conquest.

It doesn't matter, as long as the MSM keeps towing the Bush line, and they will, and as long as the sheep keep enabling their lord and master, nothing will change.

Canon fodder can be drafted, that will take care of the lack of troops.

We can't afford the 5 Billion a week that is being spent in Iraq, but the Emperor is still spending it.

As for support, as long as the Republicans in Congress, at least those that control the party, remain loyal to Bush and their party
instead of to the American people and the US Constitution, the Dictator will have all the support he needs. Remember what he said, it was the elections that showed that the "American people support his policy in Iraq".

In simpler terms, the people of this country, what they think, what they want no longer matters to Bush and his imperial designs. He has all the support he needs, he has the military in his back pocket, and the MSM through his coporate buddies. At this point in time there is only one thing that can give us back our freedom, and that
is the same thing that our Founders did.

[tom_paine]

22. Even if I agreed with your general thesis, the point at which you have

Imperial Amerikan Subjects saying "enough is enough" is FAR too early, IMHO.

My belief is that Imperial Subjects of Amerika (and I include all of us in that appellation, sadly) would easily accept 10,000 casualties, provided they didn't happen all at once.

I also believe that, until people are personally and DEEPLY affected by Bushevik policies commonly every day (ie a neighbor dragged off in the middle of the night and subject to SS harrassment), the moment you speak of would never happen.

Even then, I have looked ito the eys of modern Good Germans so many times, people who cling to their fantasies even in the absence of facts or even when they don't KNOW ANYTHING about the subject, and it is in my opinion a Fuhrer-level denial that puts us foresuqare in the same category as the Good Germans.

Example:

to Good German, well-educated, upper middle class "German" manager Well, are you for environmental protections?

Sure.

Well, how can you support Bush when he stands against every environemntal protection there is.

It couldn't be that bad. I'm sure Bush hasn't been all bad onthe environment.

Well, why don't you tell me some of the good things he has done for the environment.

I don't know. I am not prepared to have this conversation. I don't know.

Go ahead. Have 10 or 50 or 100 of these converstaions with the Good Germans the Imperial Subjects of Amerika and see how you feel.

Impervious to facts, like a Good German. Placing total trust in the Nobility, Honesty and Godliness of Der Fuhrer, the same. Unshakable in their belief even if facts are laid before them.

And of course, the very real human condition of "the more people are fooled the more they doggedly cling to the ideas by which they were fooled in order to avoid acknowledging having been fooled.

This human characteristic is as constant as the desire to be loved and ALWAYS has terrible effects in the long run.

I further believe that these natural tendencies have been reinforced by the Greatest Propaganda Machine & Lie Laundry to ever exist in human history: The network of Propaganda Mills (which they call Think Tanks) and Totalitarian Party-Loyal Bush Sub-Media and so much more has created an Orwellian Dreamworld so much more powerful as that which deceived the Germans.

No, I disagree with your points, Dawgs, in that the Imperial Subjects of Amerika AT THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY are one LIHOP #2: Nuclear Option from embracing full-blown fascism (in a Friendly Package specically deisgned to be palatable to Amerikans, not Germans, so don't hold your breath waiting for it to look like Nazi Germany).

You think it's going to get better? From thsi moment forth the number of Amerikans who were raised in the Old Free USA will decrease. When enough have passed away, and all that remains are those who know little of the Old American Republic and have only known Orwellian Softcore Amerikan-style Tyranny, I believe THAT geenration may go "all the way".

But that is just my opinion.

[Dufaeth]

6. A terrorist attack would solve all those problems for them

It made sheep last time why shouldn't it work that way if there is another.

[spanone]

9. The world has lost faith in us and I put nothing past these thugs

Bush* is a lame duck but he can quack and fuck up the whole world. The 'world' is ALL ABOUT MONEY/WEAPONS AND WE HAVE THE MOST.

[Taxloss]

19. It would have dramatic results in the UK.

60% already oppose the war - I think that number would spike. And this is the worst possible time for Blair - he's about to start campaigning for re-election (the election is likely in May). He would be in a near-impossible situation: he would be out of office in a Northern Line minute if he tried to involve our troops, or perhaps even left them in "harm's way" in southern Iraq. People would scream for immediate withdrawal.

If they didn't, I wouldn't know my country any more.

[poe]

20. US will begin attacking Iran

before end of year but unlikely it will be with ground forces. the operatives who are purportedly looking into the nuclear programs are vastly more interested in natural gas pipeline routes and progress on construction as well as where best to target vulnerable oil terminals. this particular foray will, at least initially, be attended to from the sky. pipelines will be bombed, electrical grids will be wiped out and of course water purification plants must be obliterated. Douglas Feith will assist in persuading the trigger happy Sharon to participate and since Israel will appear to be threatened by Iran's nuclear program it will be portrayed as their right to defend themselves against the unreasonable Iranis.

At present US is using diplomatic pressures in an attempt to prevent energy deals between China-Iran, India-Iran and Russia-Pakistan-China-India-Iran. Wall Street is very nervous.