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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:35 PM
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Bush screws up script @ Town Hall Meeting:
Dubya had one of his patented invite-only town halls yesterday, with all attendees die-hard backers of Social Security privatization.

How scripted was this event? Check out this exchange:

MS. STONE: I would like to introduce my mom. This is my mother, Rhoda Stone. And she is grandmother of three, and originally from Helsinki, Finland, and has been here over 40 years.

THE PRESIDENT: Fantastic. Same age as my mother.

MS. STONE: Just turned 80.

Of course, the script probably told Bush to say, same age as my mother after Ms. Stone mentions her mom is 80.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:36 PM
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1. HAHAHA!!!!
Timing is everything, big fellah!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:36 PM
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2. Whoops!
Maybe Bush looked into her heart and figured out the age in advance.
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:37 PM
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3. LOL He is beyond being a maroon! n/t
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:38 PM
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4. That's funny - even on offical WH transcript
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/2005011... (about 4/5 down)

MS. STONE: I would like to introduce my mom. This is my mother, Rhoda Stone. And she is grandmother of three, and originally from Helsinki, Finland, and has been here over 40 years.

THE PRESIDENT: Fantastic. Same age as my mother.

MS. STONE: Just turned 80.

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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:38 PM
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5. Not only unable to eat a pretzel and watch a football game,he's
psychotic, I mean psychic, too!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:38 PM
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6. he reads Ms. Stone's mind in another place too
MS. STONE: I wish we would have had a chance to put --

THE PRESIDENT: As additional -- as addition to the savings you set aside out of the personal savings accounts. I agree.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:38 PM
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7. Now he has a post-impeachment career option
the "Guess Your Age" guy in a traveling carnival.

Maybe he could even double as the geek -- the original kind that bites the head off a live chicken!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:02 PM
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14. LOL!
I'd definitely pay to see that! And why the hell hasn't this been picked up more? If this were Kerry or Gore or any other Dem, the "librul" media would have been all over it for days at a time!
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:07 PM
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17. LOL!
He's quite a talented guy, isn't he?

He's such an embarrassment.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:20 PM
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86. Another great Bush line -
"...a personal savings account which will compound over time and grow over time; a personal savings account which can't be used to bet on the lottery, or a dice game, or the track."

:crazy:



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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 10:50 AM
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96. Cheney reads same script without mangling it -
Following Bush's incoherent attempt at reading the script provided for him at the "town hall" meeting, Cheney reads it correctly. From today's NYT:

" It's been suggested that many people would spend their retirement in poverty, because the investments they choose will be along the lines of lottery tickets, dice games and the racetracks."
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:40 PM
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8. Typical.
:eyes:
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:41 PM
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9. D'oh!
the moran* probably didn't even notice
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:46 PM
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10. IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! Cripes what has happened to our country...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:47 PM
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11. He's a phoney. And he's stupid.
Bad combination.

The phrase, "That boy just ain't right." keeps playing over and over in my head these days.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:53 PM
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12. Do you have a link?
I would love to send that around to some people.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:04 PM
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16. Look at post # 4
Someone copy it before the WH scrubs it!
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:20 AM
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28. Thanks. Now I can send it to people. - n/t
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:59 PM
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13. You know what the secret to being a great performer is?












Timing.
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:03 PM
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15. Listening to Bush is like watching a bad Bernard Shaw play
Nobody can mentally dog-paddle like the Chimp. 'Course, it helps to have a media that is willing to wriggle every which way in a shared hammock to accomodate him.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:13 PM
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20. You do write excellent mental imagery *l*
--------------------------------------
Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com /
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:11 PM
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18. Is there video of this?
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:44 AM
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37. there is video
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 11:16 AM by abburdlen
I just wasted 40 minutes of my life watching it (Real Player only no less). Amazingly enough there is an obvious skip in the video where he screws up. Will check C-span to see if it has been edited there.

found the C-span video and it has not been edited. Top link on this page


about 38 minutes into the video. compare it to the link provided by the whitehouse. It just gets better!

edited to fix the link
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:07 AM
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40. Your link took me to microsoft.com???
weird. :-(
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:18 AM
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42. opps
one to many http in there! it's fixed now.

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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:21 AM
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43. Ah, I didn't even notice.
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 11:26 AM by soup
Shows how observant I am.

Thanks for the fix, abburdlen. I appreciate it. :hi:

on edit:

When I try to play it, it tells me in a pop-up 'Alert! rtsp is not a registered protocol'. Whatever the heck that means.
One of those days, I guess.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:31 AM
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46. Thank-you
for pointing out the link was broken.

Rtsp is Real Time Streaming Protocol. I think the current version of real player uses it. I wish C-Span used something other than Real Player.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:12 PM
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19. *lol*
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Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com /
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:41 PM
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21. Unbelievable! What an Addled Dork! heeheeheeh!
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:09 AM
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22. LOL! n/t
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DarkSim Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:10 AM
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23. Yay, finland was mentioned somewhere.
My little country of birth rarely ever gets any recognition... :P
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 05:31 PM
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82. I love the music of Jean Sibelius!
Especially his first and second symphonies and the "Swan of Tuonela"


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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:13 AM
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24. Must not have had much rehearsal time
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:27 AM
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25. I love this part:
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, that's good. How old are you?

MR. BIGGS: I'm 37.

THE PRESIDENT: Man, I wish I was 37. (Laughter.) Thirty-seven, talking to the President. That's great.



"Thirty-seven, talking to the President. That's great." He really thinks he is a god.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:09 AM
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33. JFK WAS a president at 40!
GWB isn't fit to shine JFK's shoes. What an enormous ... disappointment.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:30 AM
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45. And TR was Prez at 42 I believe...46 when he was elected in his own right
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:51 PM
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56. He really is Caligula
Narcissistic personality disorder.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:30 AM
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26. he has something wrong with his brain
a 3rd grader could peform better than the chimperor.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:34 AM
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27. Daily Show had some of this on last night.
John really didn't have to add anything.

But he did have one great observation about the life expectancy of African American men bit: So black men die at a younger age. We won't try to change that but we will fix Social Security so they can enjoy the golden year.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:27 AM
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29. That was priceless
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 09:29 AM by JohnyCanuck
when the Chimp made the comment about black men dying younger than white men and then sort of turned to the black dude sitting next to him as if seeking confirmation for his point. The black dude then makes like he is going to comment on Chimpy's pearl of great wisdom but stops short seemingly at a loss for words and just sort of grimaces and shrugs instead and Chimp steams right on by, full steam ahead. You had to see it to the get full effect. It just cracked me up.

It was another of the clips played on the Daily Show last night, then at the end of the show Jon says something like, "Now for your moment of Zen" or something to that effect and plays the clip again. God, it's hard to believe how such a prime, half-wit jackass could ever be allowed to assume the title of Governor of Texas far less POTUS.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:58 AM
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32. That's sad. Pathetically sad.
I don't know if I would be laughing considering how the black guy probably felt, but I understand the bizarreness of the moment must have been too much for any clear emotion- Bush's unparalleled doofishness against this poor man's pathos.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:45 PM
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74. it sounds like the black guy was in on the script
and couldn't utter his line because bush screwed up his.

I deal with actors quite a bit.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:49 PM
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52. It was funny!
and then Stewart says, you know, it really is hard to watch that guy sometimes. His comment to the clip was, well sure let them invest in private accounts so they can enjoy their one year of retirement instead of figuring out why they are dying young. Just when you think bush couldn't be a bigger embarrassment, he is...
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:57 PM
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57. "Give the black people their money before they die!" - OMG how horrible
The federal government knows why these disparities in health status and outcomes exist between population groups. The entire Healthy People 2010 federal program is designed to reduce the disparities!

shrub doesn't know what his own employees are doing. He's like an empty sock puppet mouthing propaganda.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:47 AM
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30. Letterman had one of his "George W Bu$h: Straight Talker" clips
last night and it was so disturbingly hilarious.....probably from the same meeting......Bu$h trying to answer a question and just babbled until he stopped himself and spit out what sounded to be a scripted response. The lemmings in attendance were stone faced during it.

:eyes:
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 09:48 AM
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31. OMG! He *is* satan!!
But he just said he has a close relationship with the Lord?!

"When you arrive in the Promised Land you must be very careful lest you be corrupted by the horrible customs of the nations now living there. For example, an Israeli who presents his child to be burned to death as a sacrifice to heathen gods, must be killed. No one may practice black magic, or call on the evil spirits for aid, or be a fortune teller, or be a serpent charmer, medium, or wizard, or call forth the spirits of the dead. Anyone doing these things is an object of horror and disgust to the Lord, and it is because the nations do these things that the Lord your God will displace them. You must walk blamelessly before the Lord your God."
-Deuteronomy 18:9-13


Then again a bad actor becomes a bad president it makes sense that a bad president would be a bad actor.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:14 AM
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34. Say it with me:
He's NOT MY president!
He's NOT MY president!
He's NOT MY president!


Aaaaaarrrrrgh
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MHalblaub Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:11 PM
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54. Oh yes he is! But not mine :-)
Check profile!
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:15 AM
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97. Welcome to DU.
Willkommen mein Freund. Ich wnsche, da ich in Deutschland im Augenblick war. :)

BTW- I think your english is much better than my german :)
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:19 AM
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35. Did he stop in the middle of any of his remarks and say
"turn page"?

What a brainless asshole.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:58 PM
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75. I swear, if you watch Dim Son when he walks across a stage
or to the helicopter, etc. you can see his lips moving, saying, "left foot, right foot, left foot...in total concentration. Think his cerebellum was damaged when Babs dropped him on his head one too many times when he was young.

The man is stupid, dumber than a rock but honestly he seems to be getting worse with each passing day. Either he is A - off his meds, B - taking illegal medicinal "enhancements," C - he is just a sloppy, mean ass drunk or D - all of the above.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:43 AM
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36. He didn't really answer any questions....it was just a hi & bye BS...
session. A chat.....my a$$. What did we learn black people die early, his mother is 80, and he is such a jerk.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:53 AM
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38. Whitehouse is trying to hide the screw up.
If you watch the video from the link on the offical whitehouse page it skips right over where he jumps ahead of his script. The video on C-Span has the full thing.
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Hamsta1 Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:24 PM
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50. That's funny...
Odd that they would leave the original transcript on the white house website but edit the video. Must be that adult-A.D.D. going around. Can't bother with all them fancy letters and numbers on the computer, but they can edit that video. I can only imagine how African-Americans must have felt watching this. It's kind of disturbing how he attempts (and fails in my opinion) to throw them a bone, much in the same manner he does with his "Values Voters", by bringing up how African-Americans have a shorter life expectancy, and says "That needs to be fixed." but offers no possible ways to fix it. First of all, why would he bring that up in a forum about Social Security? I bet the conversation went something like this...

* Advisor: African-American males have a shorter life expectancy than white males.

*: Why is that?

* Advisor: Well, it's apparently cause by various social issues-

*: Well, lets get rid of that dang social security! That ought ta fix it!


or something like that

:grouphug:
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:33 PM
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51. I've thought about that as well
perhaps they knew they couldn't get away with changing the text but there is no denying the video that they have on the Whitehouse website has the screw up edited out.

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:12 PM
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61. Blacks are supposedly discriminated against by SS.
Wingers call SS "racist" because blacks don't live long enough to get the money they payed in.

It is funny what those right wingers think racism is, like rejecting a fascist judge.

--IMM
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sharman Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:22 AM
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95. Gotta love the logic
It's racist to have an annuity-style social program, since one racial group has a shorter life expectancy. But there's nothing racist about a social system in which one racial group has a shorter life expectancy.

Give them credit for consistency. They can conceive of no greater injustice for any American than not sucking every penny you can. Years of life, who cares, but money!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:00 PM
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58. The fact that they deleted it proves that he screwed up
They are so transparent.

They remind of of Ashlee Simpson. Same kind of bush league behavior.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:59 AM
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39. Anyone else see this on 'Daily Show'?
THE PRESIDENT: Secondly, the interesting -- there's a -- African American males die sooner than other males do, which means the system is inherently unfair to a certain group of people. And that needs to be fixed. It's not a -- (applause.)

MR. McFADDEN: I agree, Mr. President, because from the minimal research that I've done, the average African American male right now is -- the life expectancy is 69, and I may be off a little bit. But if you're telling me that it's 69, and the age is going to go to 67, you do the math. (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

MR. McFADDEN: That's two years. (Laughter.)

I couldn't believe mine own ears. African-American males die younger than the rest of the general population...that's his selling point to minorities?
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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:23 AM
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44. I'll see it tonight
We get the previous night's Daily Show at 7 PM the next day so thanks for the heads up.

Did the daily show have "the age of his mother" gaffe, too?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:26 PM
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62. No it didn't, unfortunately....
The look on the man's face sitting next to him when he says it is priceless.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #39
80. Saw it! The guy started to say something...
stopped himself for some reason, then just nodded clumsily.

He was so speechless at the president's comment and he looked completely dumbfounded. I really don't have any sympathy for any Bush supporter, but I admit I felt sorry for him at that moment!
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:44 PM
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89. Probably thinking "I really voted for this dumbass?"
Must have been serving some pretty potent Kool-Aid there.

No matter how much a die-hard Republican they may be, surely some of them must have left there pondering their choices.

Then again, I'm probably giving them too much credit.



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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:15 PM
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98. I HOPE that was what he was thinking.
Alas, most Repubs are so brain-dead there was probably too little pondering going on, and they don't seem to want any other choices anyway. Sad.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:09 AM
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41. How much did the audience members get paid
for this propaganda show?

I bet not $241,000! But maybe a nice little $100 or $200 each, right?
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Hamsta1 Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:44 PM
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63. The audience got...

Freedom Gear! plus the safe return of their family/pets that were taken hostage.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:32 AM
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47. Bump and BAWHAHAHAHAH !!!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:40 AM
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48. SOMEBODY HAS TO KEEP THIS VIDEO
or it will become like the Osama been forgotten clip from 3/13/2002 - wiped from the White House site.

You know, where the liberal media kept replaying him saying that he was "not really concerned about him" (Osama) despite his denial during the third debate - "I never said that!" :eyes:
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:49 AM
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49. Isn't this the "Crossing Over" technique?
Get the info from the shills in the audience then "astound" everyone with your "insight"?

"And your grandfather... I'm getting an 'A', is there someone with an 'A' in the name... "
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IceOwl Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:55 PM
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53. What's with...
all these corporate fuckheads and their "pat yourself on the back" scripted meetings? It's worse than those anti-drug plays that every high school puts on once a year.
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verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:27 PM
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55. Ms Stone....
Ms Stone introduces herself as a chief financial officer of a Washington DC firm who knows what the SS "numbers" mean. What they don't say about Stone is that she served as a controller for the Heritage Foundation.

She currently works for Tatum CFO Partners L.L.C. that represents companies like Boeing, AGI, Home Depot. Amazingly enough, most of Tatum's employees contributed to Bush in 2004 via Tatum CFO Partners. :) I didn't find Stone's name among them, but perhaps she is married and not using her married name?

So, all these people are just average citizens, right? Riiiight.....

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:02 PM
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59. good digging
We ought to start googling all the names of people who are seen with George. They probably all have a tie to the Heritage Foundation somehow.
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 05:50 PM
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84. Hah - spot on.....watch out on www.talkingpointsmemo.com
he's about to publish (I think) something I sent him on all the stooges at yesterdays gig...and Ms Stone is indeed ex-Heritgae Foundation!

http://www.tatumpartners.com/partnerBio.php?id=77749



...and there is better yet to come!!!!

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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:05 PM
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60. This is all a bad dream - right????
Can you imagine ten years ago looking into a crystal ball and seeing what we're experiencing now...I would not have believed it. Truly. You can't make this shit up! He's such a freaking idiot!


Wake me up when it's over.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:03 PM
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66. Just a small comfort-you are not alone in feeling this way
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:38 PM
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71. here's Heritage e mail w my 21 pts why Bush's SS plan sucks
21 REASONS WHY PRESIDENT BUSH'S PLAN FOR SOCIAL SECURITY IS A BAD IDEA AND IN FACT IS MISLEADING :
(WAYS TO INNOCULATE YOURSELF AGAINST THE ONCOMING MEDIA BLITZ):
A story of how Social Security is not like a 'pig in a python' (but that's what Bush and company are telling you)
We are being scammed to pay for the war on Iraq & associated deficits


You will notice that points have references; see those references at the end of these points. This is not intended to be an 'academic presentation'; thus, the URL's which you can check for yourself.



1. WHO WANTS THE CHANGE AND HOW WILL THEY 'FRAME' THE ISSUE? Wall Street wants privatization in order reap a windfall profit. Everyone else should be very suspicious. If the stock market goes down, your benefits go down.

This is what you will hear from Bush and company: "right now we are on an unsustainable course." They say, 'its unfixable as it is.' They will say: 'the problem will just grow and grow as more and more boomers come on board to obtain their Social Security benefits.' They will say: "the trust fund is empty.

Quite the contrary: Social Security funds are actually increasing and....and will actually expand for 10 more years because of the interest it receives from Treasury bonds. Could it be that Bush and company are worried because, "the government has already used the annual surpluses to finance its operating deficits." (Edmund L. Andrews; The New York Times ; Monday 10 January 2005)

That's right: Bush and company have used the surplus which usually accumulates along with the principal money in order to do something about the deficit that they have created over the past 4 years.



2. EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE SURPRISED: WAS THIS 'TWEAKING' OF SOCIAL SECURITY MEANT TO TAKE PLACE PERIODICALLY? : YES "What people forget is that the baby boom is not like a pig in the python," said Kent Smetters, an associate professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania and a former senior official in Mr. Bush's Treasury Department. "If you just balance it over the next 75 years, it just means we have to come back and do the same thing all over again about 15 years from now," Professor Smetters said. (Edmund L. Andrews; The New York Times ; Monday 10 January 2005)



3. WHY ARE WE BEING TOLD WE NEED TO 'DO SOMETHING ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY'? The nation's baby boomers start to retire at the end of this decade and relatedly the cost of retirement benefits is expected to rise much faster than payroll taxes from active workers. Obviously, payments become higher with each generation of retirees, even after accounting for inflation. By 2042, the trust fund will have used up its reserves and payroll taxes will cover only about 70 percent of the promised benefits.


4. WON'T WE HAVE TO PAY FOR CHANGING TO PRIVATE ACCOUNTS?? HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST US? : the Bush administration deems the current system, with its average monthly benefit of $955, as too generous (that's less than $12,000/ year). The Bush Administration wants to cut benefits by more than 40% to help pay the trillions of dollars that would be needed for the creation and maintenance of private accounts. http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=41481

This doesn't make sense given that now Social Security is the most efficient government system ever instigated, utilizing only 1% of the overall funds to manage the monthly Social Security payments for millions of people. More than 99 percent of Social Security's revenues go toward benefits, and less than 1 percent for overhead. The Social Security System is legally separate from the rest of the budget. Bush wants to discontinue that. This will make it difficult it not impossible to track in terms of is the Social Security money really being used for other purposes like making war on Iraq.

Where's all that money right now? "The Social Security trust fund has accumulated more than $1.5 trillion in reserves, held in Treasury bonds." (Edmund L. Andrews; The New York Times ; Monday 10 January 2005)



5. WHO IN BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION IS DRIVING THE MATTER? Karl Rove, Bush's right hand man: He is attempting to convince the public that Social Security is 'heading for an iceberg." )http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6791950 )


4. WHY WOULD KARL ROVE WANT TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY? Rove sees it as : one of the most important conservative undertakings of modern times,....We need to establish in the public mind a key fiscal fact: right now we are on an unsustainable course, the e-mail said. That reality needs to be seared into the public consciousness; it is the precondition to authentic reform.....government and toward giving greater power and responsibility to individuals, said Wehner, the director of White House Strategic Initiatives. " Who is this Wehner? : Peter Wehner, the deputy to White House political director Karl Rove. Thus, Rove is attempting to continue the line of 'getting government out of your lives' which is a recipe to allow corporations unbridled power and individuals no retirement through Social Security. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/679195


5. WHAT STRATEGIES ARE BEING UTILIZED IN ORDER TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC OF THE NEED FOR PRIVATIZATION OF SOCIAL SECURITY?: "The administration has suggested that it would be justified in borrowing some $2 trillion to establish private accounts because doing so would head off $10 trillion in future
Social Security liabilities. It's bad enough that the $10 trillion is a highly inflated figure, intended to overstate a problem that is reasonably estimated at $3.7 trillion or
even considerably less. Worse are the true dimensions of the administration's proposed ploy, which were made painfully clear in a memo that was leaked to the press last week. Written in early January by Peter Wehner.".....(Rove's right hand person): http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/opinion/10mon1.html?e...


6. WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE RE: THIS PRIVATIZATION EFFORTS PER BUSH/ ROVE / THE REPUBLICANS? : "Revamping the system to allow investment accounts would not shore up the future finances and would make the financial picture worse. The administration is considering borrowing $1 trillion to $2 trillion to continue paying benefits to current retirees while tax revenue is diverted into personal accounts, called transition costs, Wehner's e mail said (per this article, this e mail was verified by the White House). Separately, to address the future financial shortfall, the administration is looking at plans to cut future promised benefits, by 46 percent in some cases, with investments expected to make up the difference." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/679195


7. WHO ELSE UNDERLINES THAT THIS IS WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR? : " The real impact of President Bush's Social Security privatization scheme: massive cuts in promised benefits. The White House is expected to propose a new system of calculating Social Security benefits called "price indexing." The technical change would mean "cutting promised benefits by nearly a third in the coming decades" with even deeper cuts in the future. For example, if the "price indexing" change is made, "a retiree in 2075 would receive 54 percent of the benefits now promised." David C. John, a Social Security expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation called the proposal "very much like sticking your hand in a wasp nest.": American Progress Action Fund" <progress@americanprogressaction.org


8. WHAT ARE SOME POINTS THAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO HEAR FROM BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS? Talk about: PRICE INDEXING: The current method of calculating Social Security benefits is adjusted to reflect the standard of living when a person retires. That means when your benefits are calculated based on your average earnings, the salary you made 25 years ago is adjusted upwards to reflect the overall rise in wages (wage growth) since that time. The "price indexing" plan, expected to be proposed by Bush, would make that adjustment based on the rise of consumer prices essentially the inflation rate. Since wages rise much faster than inflation, that means your newly adjusted salary will be lower. The end result is far lower benefits for every new generation of retirees. If this system had been in place since Social Security's inception, people today would be retiring with a benefit tied to the living standard of the 1930s, when 40 percent of households lacked indoor plumbing.: progress@americanprogressaction.or


9. WHAT ELSE CAN WE EXPECT TO COME OUT WAY RE: THIS PUSH FOR PRIVATIZATION? : You will hear talk about how it will be cheaper in the long-run to privatize at least part of Social Security. Specifically, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan claims, "The cost is $10 trillion if we do nothing. So what you're talking about would be a significant savings over those costs." There are two problems with this argument. First, the $10 trillion figure grossly distorts the modest long-range deficit of the Social Security program by projecting that shortfall over eternity. (There is no shortfall at all until 2052. Projections beyond 2052, obviously, are extremely unreliable.) Second, and more fundamentally, "borrowing $2 trillion to fund individual accounts does nothing to reduce Social Security's long-term deficit." Under the Bush plan the long-term deficit is reduced through deep benefit cuts.: progress@americanprogressaction.or


10. WHAT ARE SOME OTHER MATTERS ASSOCIATED WITH RETIREMENT SAVINGS THAT WILL BE BOUGHT UP? The Thrift Savings Plan: what is it land what might be the downsides of such a model, which could be part of the Rovian onslaught?
the Thrift Savings Plan could serve as a possible model for personal investment accounts in Social Security.
Numerous readers said the two programs are unrelated and that the TSP, which relies on federal payroll systems for its basic operation, cannot be replicated on a scale as large as Social Security. Others said a column about the plan failed to stress that the TSP is a voluntary savings program that supplements Social Security, a tax-based program. Cavanaugh's paper (The paper, "Feasibility of Social Security Individual Accounts," was published by the AARP Public Policy Institute. AARP is opposing Bush's plan), for example, says that personal accounts in Social Security will cost more to manage than those in the TSP, in part because the TSP can rely on hundreds of federal agencies to administer payroll deductions and provide retirement planning and other services.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61607-20...


11. SO THE THRIFT SAVINGS PLAN APPEARS TO WORK FOR LARGER PERSONAL INVESTMENT ACCOUNTS, YES? The paper also points out that TSP operates on a progressive fee system (usually 60 cents per $1,000 account balance) so that holders of the higher account balances absorb part of the cost of maintaining smaller accounts. Such a fee system would not work in Social Security because too many accounts would be small, the paper contends. Social Security relies on the government to absorb inflation and market risks, while the TSP shifts those risks to individual investors, Cavanaugh writes. "Attempts to combine these two fundamentally different programs are like mating a bear with a bee -- somebody is going to get hurt," he concludes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61607-20...


12. WHY DOES WALL STREET WANT THE CHANGE? In the background, beyond private accounts, are various proposals to cut guaranteed Social Security
benefits in the future.


13. BUT WE WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER DEPRESSION AS IN 1929: wrong: In 1973-74, the stock
market lost 48 percent of its value. The stock market is a very dangerous place to put money



14. WHO DOES NOT WANT THE CHANGE? (1) AARP, the nation's largest seniors organization, is coming out
strongly against President Bush's plan to allow private individual accounts
within Social Security. (2) On January 10, 2005, a NY Times Opinion piece stated this: "In this and other ways, the administration is manipulating
information - a tacit, yet devastating, acknowledgement, we believe, that an informed public would reject privatizing Social Security." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/opinion/10mon1.html?e...


15. HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY? transitioning to private accounts could cost $2 trillion. See above information also.


16. TO REVIEW, WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM? our taxes will have to be increased to make Bush's proposed plan work.


17. THEY TELL US THAT SOCIAL SECURITY IS BROKE OR GOING BROKE?: With all the clamoring about Social Security, a simple fact has been obscured: the Social Security budget is currently running a surplus; progress@americanprogressaction.or


18. OTHER COUNTRIES MUST HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MAYBE THOSE ARE BETTER? wrong: Chile's system, management fees are around 20 times as high. A privatized system will take money from your Social Security check.


19. SHOULD YOU BE WORRIED THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY? Nothing is going to change, in terms of benefits, for people near your retirement age.


20. WHO TAXED SOCIAL SECURITY TO BEGIN WITH? Ronald Reagan, a Republican, began the taxation on Social Security in 1983.


21. IF WE ARE GOING TO 'FIX IT' HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT TO DO AS RELATED TO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST TO 'FIX' IT? "If you compare its position now with its position at the time of the last reforms in 1977 and 1983, it's clearly better," Professor Diamond said. "Even then, it was readily fixed without radical reforms, and it's obvious that can be done again." (a professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a co-author of the book "Saving Social Security.")





There is no Social Security crisis, just as there were no weapons of mass destruction. Social Security has provided a lifeline to millions of Americans with
millions of checks, and in more than 60 years has never missed a paymentand this track record can continue. Social Security is basically a sound system
that can meet 100 percent of its obligations for the next 39 years, and with responsible changes it can continue to do so indefinitely.

"Social Security is not a crisis for which enormous borrowing, huge benefit
cuts and risky private accounts are a solution. Rather,
it's a financial problem of manageable proportions,
solvable without new borrowing by a combination of modest
benefit cuts and tax increases that could be distributed
fairly and phased in over several decades, while
guaranteeing a basic level of inflation-proof income for
life." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/opinion/10mon1.html?e...


And don't forget: It remains a fact that 30% of the votes in this national election were cast, and 80% of the votes were compiled, by three private companies, owned and controlled by conservative Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/01/12_...




REFERENCES:




Edmund L. Andrews; The New York Times ; Monday 10 January 2005:

HTtp://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=41481

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6791950 )

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/opinion/10mon1.html?e...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61607-20...


progress@americanprogressaction.or










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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:39 PM
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72. Heritage: info@heritage.org
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 03:54 PM
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64. KICK--just watched the Cspan vid. Anyone saved this?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:00 PM
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65. I am emailing this to mediamatters.org after checking to see if he's
got it already.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:04 PM
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67. Kinda reminds me of his father's goof
reading his little cheat sheet: "Message: I care."
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:04 PM
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68. Like a bad actor looking at the phone before it rings.
They need to rehearse him more.
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:07 PM
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69. OMG - How f'ing stupid. I just couldn't imagine being married
to the Idiot. Laura must be awful stupid too. And to think they actually reproduced duplicates!!!
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:31 PM
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70. let's see a photo to find the possible ear-bud also
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:44 PM
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73. It's like Jon Stewart said last night,
"Sometimes it's just hard to watch the guy."

I can't believe this fuckwit is the leader of the free world.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:58 PM
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76. Actually I think most of the free world took a left and isn't following
They were the first people who jumped off the wagon. I don't like it when people call him the most powerful man in the world because he can't get the world to do anything for him. Remember the United Nations is against him - that seriously dampens our power. We can't get boycotts or anything with anyone but the communists regimes at this point.

My point, he's leading america, not the "free world".
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 04:59 PM
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77. He isn't - Uncle Dick and the rest of the idiots are
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 05:00 PM
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78. He doesnt realize he is on the Truman Show
and we are all the unlucky bastards that have to sit and watch it live.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 05:01 PM
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79. nope uncle dick isn't either.
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 05:06 PM by superconnected
Clinton was far more powerful. He could get the world to do what he wanted, if he wanted. What we have is a couple of impotent nitwits in the white house bombing a country the rest of the world ran away from, for their corporate aliance profits.

I really believe this is the least powerful president, when it come to the free world, that the US has ever had.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 05:15 PM
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81. Great point!
Chimp's only worldly power is his ability to make the world hate us. In that regard, his power is exponentially greater than anyone in history.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 05:36 PM
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83. Let me play the Devil's Advocate here...
Could he have heard the number "40" and thought that was in reference to the age of the woman's mother?

But on second thought, that would mean he believes his own mother is 40:



NAAAAAAh!!! never mind!
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:21 PM
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87. If his mother were 40, she'd be younger than him.
Well... he is bad at math.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:02 PM
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85. HUH?
"THE PRESIDENT: Sure. I think it's important for people to understand compounding rate of interest. In other words, if you take a dollar, set it aside and it grows at three percent over 30 years or 40 years, and compare that to the same dollar that grows at 7 percent on an average basis over 30 years, there is a huge difference in money."

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:33 PM
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88. ?????!!!!!
And this is the man who going to fix Social Security?

(possible bumper sticker idea?)
George W. Bush:
He's going to fix Social Security
like he fixed Iraq
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 07:44 PM
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90. Practicing for his future career in infomercials.
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:15 PM
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91. It really does read like an infomercial.
It's typical that our side is having a realistic, scholarly discussion of the facts and possible problems with Social Security reform. These guys are just manufacturing a crisis (and, hence, consent), in order to give another huge giveaway to the super rich. Facts don't matter, whether or not it works doesn't even matter. They've made up their minds, so debate doesn't even matter. Maybe Congressional republicans will finally grow a spine and say, "There will be life after Bush."
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 08:54 PM
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92. SIGH... (Remember the debate?)
Edited on Thu Jan-13-05 08:59 PM by Hissyspit
We really reelected these guys?? (No, I know we didn't.)
Kinda makes the accusations of the mike feeding him lines during that debate seem more credible, doesn't it...
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 10:51 PM
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93. Who's Line is it Anyway!?!
At least he's good for a few good laughs... so why do I still feel like crying whenever I see the chimp?
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 11:12 PM
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94. It's not *acting,* it's RE-acting, silly. nt
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:19 PM
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99. Bush Protest Sign From Downtown Helsinki!!!



Just so you know what they really think of ** !
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