Mark the "Ditto head" on the Al Franken Show

[AlCzervik]

I wish Al wouldn't have him on anymore, after hearing many segements i now change the channel whenever i hear the music.

[htuttle]

1. I can't take him anymore

I want to reach into the radio and punch him in the mouth, but since I can't, my stomach gets all knotted up.

I do not enjoy that segment anymore. Nope.

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[AlCzervik]

3. i'm glad i'm not alone here, i listen to Al less than i used to

i never miss Morning Sedition and i listen to randi a couple of times a week.

[Walt Starr]

4. That's usually where my daily dose of AAR ends

IT's too much. If I wanted to listen to Faux News/Lush Limpdick bullshit, I'd turn it on. Liberal radio needs to leave that shit where it belongs, in the toilet!

[AlCzervik]

5. I honestly don't see the point of wasting airtime on him when he could

have another guest on, more Joe Conason, less Ditto head.

[feminazi]

6. i turn al off when he has mark on

i can't stand listening to the guy.

[jonnyo]

7. that guy isn't funny he's just a cowardly idiot that can't see past his

own pocketbook. He just doesn't get it and Al doesn't get that if I wanted to listen to that crap, I'd tune in to Limbaugh, which I don't. I actually did years ago, but heard so much crap that just didn't add up I started checking the accuracy of what he was talking about. It was all F-ing crap. Total lies. I dropped his show, changed my voter registration, got rid of my right wing idiot friends that worship this freak, and never looked back.

I don't listen to Al anymore either. He needs re-evalute his "friends" list. These people are destroying America. And, he just isn't that well informed. I listen to Thom Hartmann in the morning. His show is packed with info.

[GoSolar]

8. Agreed

Often, Mark does not seem to "get it" when Al explains why Rush is wrong. Or he may agree that Rush is wrong, but that does not change his views about Rush. He is still a pathetic ditto head.

Yesterday, he was trying to show that liberals are racist, as Rush says. His argument was amazingly inarticulate...

[Mugsy]

9. I wish they'd compile a CD.

I like the segments with Mark Luther. I live in Texas and am surrounded by the same narrow-minded Right-wingers that, if they gave their positions a moment of rational thought, their heads would explode.

I wish AAR would put all of the Rush/O'Reilley/Hannity/etc debunking clips on a single CD that I could distribute to all my neocon friends and family.

Listen to the segments. They will help you respond when you find yourself talking to brain-dead neocon.

[AlCzervik]

10. i've already heard many of them and i dont have brain dead neocons friends

I don't need to listen to Al tell Mark he's wrong, i already know that.

[Liberal In Texas]

11. When Al was In the Middle East

entertaining the troops, I believe it was Conason subbing for him.

He totally had Mark flabbergasted. Mark even admitted he was right and he would have to start looking at PigBoy in a different way.

Al should be able to do this every day!

[AlCzervik]

12. Thats probably why you never see him on any "Opinion shows"

because he's excellent. I would love to see Joe take on Hannity someday at a neutral place, not at Faux.

[alfredo]

16. He is using Mark to make a point.

That point is, that Rush is a liar.

[Strelnikov_]

24. And Also To Display To Dittoheads How Stupid They Sound Parroting

the idiot.

[alfredo]

28. The latest dittohead talking point is opposition to the neo cons is

anti semitism.

[Eikon]

22. That was a joke. n/t

[RafterMan]

27. People should listen to that segment with Conason

and take notes. A great example of effective argumentation.

[benddem]

13. Yesterday was the end as far as I'm concerned

he said that Democrats were Racists because Maxine Waters (african american congresswoman) said she was ashamed that Blackwell an African American disenfranchised so many african american voters. The guy is hopeless. He's drunk too much of Limbaugh's koolaid. He said that he began listening to Rush after his wife divorced him. Hmm wonder why???

[AlCzervik]

14. That was it right there, that segement did me in

I was so pissed after hearing him i wanted to scream. Al should have blasted him but he didn't and that was very disappointing.

[skypilot]

29. Al was INCREDIBLY ineffective..

...during that segment. He just sort of sputtered and stuttered as though he didn't know how to respond. Mark Luther always gets a bit of a boost when Al is like this and he comes off far more nasty and obnoxious than usual. It's as though he thinks he's moving in for the kill. I don't know how Al can stand the guy but, hey, Al is also chummy with G.Gordon Liddy. Go figure.

[mountainvue]

15. His segments keep getting longer and longer.

I don't know why. I can take a few minute but the last time I tune in he was on for quite a while and i just couldn't listen anymore.

[Inland]

17. The entire segment is based on a bad premise: that the truth matters

to Rush or a Rush listener.

Every segment ends with the dittohead saying, well, "that may not be true but Rush's point is" blah blah blah. They never reconsider the validity of Rush's point just because his argument is based on false premises.

The truth of a factual statement is irrelevant to the point Rush is trying to make--a factual statement is just what you have to say in order to make the point. So pointing out the truth doesn't change any dittoheads minds.

Rush fans know its all a lie. They just think lies are necessary to win--they think the lie is all about fooling the OTHER guy. We get it time and time again from the righties. Franken should just ask his friend why the truth doesn't matter anymore to pubbies.

[theorist]

21. YES!

Very well put. Someone could probably write a Ph.D. thesis in Sociology based on this single premise. Here's a working title: The Death of Truth: How Faith Trumps Fact in Right Wing American Rhetoric. Something like that.

[Stirk]

18. I love Al Franken's show, but I really wish he'd get past the naivety.

He's very funny and he's sharp, but he's got this real naive quality that comes out at the strangest times. Like today, when his guest mentioned CIA "wetworks" from the 60's-70's. Al got all worked up and insisted that his show was "respectable" and that they "don't do that kind of stuff". As if the south american death squads were just tinfoil hat conspiracy crap.

I remember him talking about how he supported the Iraq invasion at the beginning, too- because he found Powell's presentation at the UN to convincing. I was just blown away.

Same thing with election irregularities. He just refused to entertain the notion out of hand, until it was simply too late.

I love Al, but he really needs to come to grips with the fact that twisted people like those in the Bush Administration have alot of real followers, who know the truth and support it. They aren't just a bunch of well-meaning, mis-informed folks. His friend Mark Luther is a perfect example. He's not just a super guy who's been lied to. He's a vicious asshole, and that's why Limbaugh's rhetoric appeals to him in the first place. You can't convince them, you can't convert them, and the only point of giving them air time is to mock them and humiliate them.

[Shopaholic]

19. Ditto--I love Al but sometimes he's just a little bit too

naiive for his own good. He really thinks he can appeal to the moderates and even the conservatives by just showing them how PigBoy & the rest lie but the point is, these people don't care that they are lying. They want to hear what they are being told and don't care whether or not it's true!

[newyawker99]

20. Hi Stirk!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Mika]

23. Al represents the current state of the Dem party quite well

Weak, at best.

[TheWatcher]

25. I love Al's Comedy, and I think he is a good person

Al has a very good heart, and he is one of the nicest people you would ever want to come across.

But his inability to think outside his perception of reality, in other words what makes him feel comfortable, is baffling.

His almost vehement denial of what happened in the Election, the questions surrounding 9/11, and anything that might be considered "conspiracy" is downright disturbing, and calling it naivety might be being a bit too kind. He carries a dangerous willful ingorance of these things, because he obviously simply doesn't want to believe that such things could happen in this country. He doesn't want to hear it. And when he got worked up over the "Wetworks" stuff the other day it was a perfect example. When he started going off about "this is a respectable show", and we don't do things like that here" was the LAST straw for me.

Al, I hate to break it to you, the crystal vision fantasy world that you want to live in does NOT exist. Our government has done some horrible, unspeakable things over the past 100 years, and no amount of your denial or fear of the truth is going to change that.

I know some will be angered by this statement, but the level of denial he carries towards certain subjects is not all that different from the level of willful ignorance some on the other side show. It is his Achilles Heel.

I used to be Air America from morning till Midnight. Now Al's section of the day goes to Thom Hartman.

And as for Mark Luther, he is wasted airtime, a waste of time, and a waste of human life. He is a despicable, self-loathing coward. I am confused why Al hasn't ended the friendship and simply cut that Cancer out of his life. It's pathetic the way Al thinks he can "reach" him.

You can't reach people like Luther. It's too late for people like him. Better to fight the battles that are worth fighting. That one is a lost cause.

[Zen Democrat]

26. Al runs from anything that could be construed as "conspiracy theory."

Al is one of those "Oswald acted alone" guys. And I've come to the conclusion that these people are either grotesquely uninformed -- or they are trying to march in lockstep with their idols at the NY Times and Washington Post who have led the disinformation campaign regarding the Kennedy Assassination for 40 years.