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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:24 AM
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"People would laugh at us!"
Posted to my blog. Links are live there.

"People would laugh at us!"

It's funny, the things people won't believe.

Jon Ronson, author of , showed his father footage of the elites' "cremation of care" ceremony at the foot of Bohemian Grove's giant stone owl, complete with burning of a human effigy. His father's comment: "That didnt happen."

As a student in 1961, author Jacques Vallee witnessed "French astronomers erase a magnetic tape on which our satellite-tracking team had recorded eleven data points on an unknown flying object which was not an airplane, a balloon, or a known orbiting craft." An astronomer's explanation for the destructive act: "People would laugh at us if we reported this!" (From Vallee's Messengers of Deception.)

I have heard people say, and perhaps you have as well, that it doesn't matter what they are told regarding the events of 9/11, they will never believe the government - even a Bush government - would have purposefully allowed the attacks to happen.

No one is standing over these people's shoulders, whispering Don't believe it - destroy that - people will laugh at you. The voices in their heads are their own. These are people who are censoring themselves; sliding a door to guard their thoughts from uncomfortable facts.

The most powerful control mechanism is internal. It's the brain surgery we perform on ourselves - owing to social conditioning, peer approval and dread of ridicule - that is of the greatest service to those deserving exposure and justice, and who seem to perpetually evade both.

We do it - we useless eaters - or have done it, or can recognize the urge in ourselves. How much greater, then, the internal pressure upon those in places of genuine influence, such as the mainstream media and our legislatures, to suppress the truth within themselves.

So a thank you is in order to Barbara Boxer, the lone Senator who stood last Thursday, to challenge the legitimacy of the Ohio electors.

Naturally, she will now be judged a "kook" - at least insofar as her action breaks through the fog of unreality that passes for news in America - for having the courage to call George Bush a fraudulant President. (At her news conference she expressed regrets for having respected Al Gore's wishes that senators not challenge the results of 2000.)

To speak the truth in a crazy world is to sound crazy yourself, and to invite marginalization and a blizzard of abuse. As hard as it is to do for those who have little to lose, it's much harder for those who have much. And it's a good part of the reason why we hear so little truth spoken from the high places. (Another notable exeption: the longest-serving UK Labour MP, and former Minister of the Environment, Michael Meacher.)

The White House response to Senator Barbara Boxer's standing on Thursday to contest Ohio's electors was predictable, as it is its only response the White House offers when someone calls bullshit on its galaxy of lies. Spokesman Scott McClellan said "It is time to move forward, and not engage in conspiracy theories or partisan politics of this nature."

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, "Facts are stupid things."
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:36 AM
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1. Let them laugh all they what, at least I can feel good about myself
and Senator Barbara Boxer for standing up against the evil tide that is taking over our country. The right wing is a bunch of nut balls and we all know it. They only what to take over that part of the world to control it and its oil reserve. We are now heading to World War III if we do not act and act quickly against the right wing. We can not look to the Dems to do it for us either, just review election 2000 & 2004 as examples of how they knee down to the Republican right wing. We must hold against them as they show their haterd of us, and yes they truly hate us never ever forget it. My ex-boyfriend now, use to tell me all the time how the Repubs wanted to line us up and shoot us and I was his girl-friend. They hate us passionately and if we are to ever win again we must return that passion back to them.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:53 PM
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2. "the right wing is a bunch of nut balls"
Yeah, and they're not afraid to look like it, either, because they get to judge what's nutty and what's not.

Not only do the inmates run the asylum, they have the power to certify dissent as mental illness.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:59 PM
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3. Let 'em laugh!
Writer(s): Gershwin/Gershwin

The odds were a hundred to one against me
The world thought the heights were too high to climb
But people from Missouri never incensed me
Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
For from hist'ry I had learned
How many, many times the worm had turned

They all laughed at Christopher Columbus
When he said the world was round
They all laughed when Edison recorded sound
They all laughed at Wilbur and his brother
When they said that man could fly

They told Marconi
Wireless was a phony
It's the same old cry
They laughed at me wanting you
Said I was reaching for the moon
But oh, you came through
Now they'll have to change their tune

They all said we never could be happy
They laughed at us and how!
But ho, ho, ho!
Who's got the last laugh now?

They all laughed at Rockefeller Center
Now they're fighting to get in
They all laughed at Whitney and his cotton gin
They all laughed Fulton and his steamboat
Hershey and his chocolate bar

Ford and his Lizzie
Kept the laughers busy
That's how people are
They laughed at me wanting you
Said it would be, "Hello, Goodbye."
But oh, you came through
Now they're eating humble pie

They all said we'd never get together
Darling, let's take a bow
For ho, ho, ho!
Who's got the last laugh?
Hee, hee, hee!
Let's at the past laugh
Ha, ha, ha!
Who's got the last laugh now?
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:03 PM
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4. They are not far from having the power of life and death.
They imprison and ridicule the voices of dissent.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:26 PM
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5. If ya mention things that most folks would rather avoid,
They'll call ya paranoid.
--Paranoid Larry

remember this?

The DU 9/11 reading room

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It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:11 PM
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8. kick for seems' most excellent data dump
"If ya notice things that're happening right in front of you -
ya better be careful who you mention it to" - Paranoid Larry

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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:40 PM
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6. Ronson's book "Them: Adventures with Extremists",
which features the burning man story and is excellent, incidentally, disappeared from my flat two weeks after I had finished reading it.

This remains a mystery to me, although I suspect the government. They'll be after the Chomsky next.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:47 PM
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7. This fear of ridicule is more effective than any censorship devised
by totalitarian governments.Sort of an internal censorship, one might say.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:06 AM
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9. Facts ARE stupid things (Take "History." Please.) ...
... especially dumb when on the wrong side of them. For example, what Buckminster Fuller said in these excerpts from

Critical Path

by Buckminster Fuller:

George Washington took command of the U.S. Continental Army under an elm tree in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The flag used for that occasion was the East India Company's flag, which by pure coincidence had the thirteen red and white stripes.... While the British government lost the 1776 war, the East India Company's owners who constituted the invisible power structure behind the British government not only did not lose but moved right into the new U.S.A. economy along with the latter's most powerful landowners. (p. 78)


We have also noted how the power structures successively dominant over human affairs had for aeons successfully imposed a "specialization" upon the intellectually bright and physically talented members of society as a reliable means of keeping them academically and professionally divided--ergo, "conquered," powerless. The separate individuals' special, expert glimpses of the separate, invisible reality increments became so infinitesimally fractionated and narrow that they gave no hint of the significant part their work played in the omni-integrating evolutionary front of total knowledge and its power-structure exploitability in contradistinction to its omni-humanity-advantaging potentials. Thus the few became uselessly overadvantaged instead of the many becoming regeneratively ever more universally advantaged.

Hyperspecialization also prevented popular comprehension of what the ongoing world power structure was doing--ergo, hyperspecialization kept society preoccupied in ways nondetrimental to the power structure's interests and practically dependent upon the power structure's media for information. (p. 162)


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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:20 AM
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10. Weather-gone-haywire-and-no-one-on-TV-asks-why KICK.
Fear of being ridiculed on TV is a powerful thing, no? Look at where it's landed the Democratic Party.

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