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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:40 AM
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Fox just did a direct hit on DU - related to Tsunami
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 11:58 AM by doxieone
Regarding causes of the tsunami.

They showed the DU web site, and quoted from DU one cause for it was an underground nuclear explosion.

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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:41 AM
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1. Fuck Fox! I wish that was a network..Sigh n/t
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 11:42 AM by jasmeel
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:41 AM
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2. Hey!!! Thanks for the free advertising!!!
:hi:
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:43 AM
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7. Wow, get ready for increased traffic.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:45 AM
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13. Please don't advertise those bozos' delusions here ... we're already aware
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #2
31. wooHoo!
I'll drink to that :toast:

peace
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:42 AM
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3. Rock on.
Good for us. Let them call us wackjobs. God knows we do it to them :)
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:43 AM
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4. So? We do direct hits on Faux News pretty regularly.
Not to mention that whole Outfoxed documentary :)
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:17 PM
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105. Um, the difference is that Fox is supposedly a news source.
We all know that's not the case, but they do make that pretense.

The other difference is that tens of thousands of people post here anonymously, some of those anonymous posters are here only to discredit the whole site. Presumably the Fox "news" team doesn't actively misrepresent facts in order to discredit the whole organization. They actively misrepresent facts because their viewers are too stupid to find out the truth. In reliance on their audiences' sustained ignorance Fox lies to further a political agenda. Half the population is below average and they too need a TV station, Fox fills that gap.

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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. Your point?
Sorry, but the people that watch Faux are going to watch Faux and believe whatever they are told to believe by the Faux News crew.

What we say or don't say is irrelevant, they will still attack us.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. Your first post seemed to compare our Fox taunts
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 07:27 PM by spotbird
to Fox's manipulative, misleading and biased report about DU.

My reply was simply to point out that Fox claims to be a news organization, often responsibility for content accompanies that claim. Fox is irresponsible so the rule might not apply here, but let's pretend it does for the sake of argument.

Democratic Underground claims to be a political forum, and the DU administrators don't even know what is said in all the discussion forums, much less claim to endorse those views as truthful.

Therefore, our knocking Fox is not the same as their misrepresentations about us, we are not like things....Well, we are usually more accurate than Fox which should make us a news organization, and they are more political than us which should make them a political forum, but you follow, I hope.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:43 AM
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5. I guess we can expect a lot of trolls now.
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #5
76. Flip side - maybe some of them will be open minded and stick around (nt)
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. Bwahahahaha
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #80
85. I said maybe; I expect mostly agitators, but some may be civil people
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patricia_k Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #85
92. I'm not an agitator ...
... and generally civil.

And most certainly new here. Just snowed in after reading the NYT piece on you folks.
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #92
95. Welcome to DU
FWIW, I'm one of the more conservative people here (still a registered R, though not a Bush fan), but am open minded and willing to agree to disagree. If you're civil and willing to keep an open mind, I think you'll like it here. It's always nice to hear from others with different viewpoints.
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patricia_k Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. Thanks ...
... for the welcome. :-)

I tend to score over near the Mahatma on most political position sensors. My particular interest is US foreign policy, as I am an American expat now living in Europe.
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ExclamationPoint Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #96
118. Welcome!
I hope you told your other friends about DU, it's my favorite website. I am very liberal (as are many here) but it is very interesting to see different,intellectually based viewpoints. You won't find much other then swears and bad grammar on those uber-conservative websites. It's nice to talk with well informed people. (I'm assuming you are also smart because you read The New York times). Hope you like it here! :)
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:43 AM
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6. And once again the media uses a single crackpot to define the rest
It was just a matter of time before the conspiracy folks gave the rest of us a bad name, it's clearly accelerating now. It sucks to see it coming from the NYT and Fox.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:10 PM
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98. They are using that angle because it's working
People are all bent out of shape because gawd help em they don't want to be a known tinfoiler sympathizer.

Instead of turning on people who are only asking questions. Everybody needs to get a thicker skin because it will get worse. Especially if they see their disruption is working.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
99. And let's not mention
In the internet nobody knows you're a dog RW plant.

What's to say somebody didn't register and ramped up the loopiness because the existing post weren't loopy enough for public ridicule?

Also, what's the percentage of crackpots at FR compared with DU?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:43 AM
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8. Obviously we have become a threat!!
If FOX is taking the time to quote DU then they are worried.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Yep this is good news
as far as I'm concerned.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. We are a threat to their talking points world.
They are scared by people who can question anything.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:56 AM
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22. A threat or an easy target
It just as easily could be that the wilder tinfoil hatters make for a good example of the instability of the left. Therefore they target whereever they find a healthy crop of them.

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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #22
49. "First they ignore you,
then then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Gandhi
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #49
88. That's my new email signature line
:hi:
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #49
100. ah
but Gandhi's cause was right.

Quoting that seems to imply that ALL laughable ideas are eventually proven right, which is nonsense. Most laughable ideas are laughed at because they're just silly.
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #8
34. Yup!.....n/t
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
113. That is my feelings as well.
Fox comes to DU to report conversations on here because the big guy in the WH will not allow them to air anything about real news at all.

shame on fox
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:44 AM
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9. DU has become a force that matters. First the NYT, now Fox.
Friends, they do not like DU. DU is a very important opponent to them. That's something to be proud of! --- and just a little scared...


-----------------

Remember Fallujah!

Bush to The Hague
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:45 AM
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11. So Fox is expending resources to monitor DU ...
Good. Maybe they will learn how contemptuous we are of their nefarious propaganda operation.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Fox is probably sending posters to DU to post crazy stuff
So that they have something to mock.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #14
27. Exactly! Beware!
:tinfoilhat: It would be all too easy for them to make crazy or un-American posts and then make a big deal out of it.

Perhaps it's time to start attaching sig lines with anti Bush/FOX sentiments so that if they try to use a screen shot they have to black out portions that are embarrassing to them.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. I heard that comment and my ears picked up.
I like to flip the stations to hear what the Right is saying!
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #11
30. No. they're monitoring what FR says about DU
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:47 AM
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15. Page banner takes care of that....
Anyone visiting can easily see this site has links to many organizations involved in the aid to the victims.
So FAUX can take their smear and lies and shove them up bill orealy's ass.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. don`t do that he`d probably
like something up his ass....
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #17
37. I would have to share with his head anyway.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:52 AM
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18. Did they show the DU front page? Or just give a link to the website?
Can you describe what they did for us who don't watch Fox?
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:54 AM
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19. First NYT, then Fox. This is huge. Welcome to the big game, Skinner.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:55 AM
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20. DU should wear that as a badge of honor.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:55 AM
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21. FREE ADVERTISING
anyone bold enough to come check us out will doubtless form their own opinion. The rest have no frame of reference and can just go to hell anyway.

Not to worry -
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #21
51. Bingo (nt)
nt
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:56 AM
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23. We're aware of this, and we're prepared to deal with them.
Please remember you can help us MOST by simply hitting 'Alert' and letting us deal with the disruptors. Please do NOT call them out publicly. Thanks in advance for your help.

Hhi:
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Jesus H. Christ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:56 AM
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24. Was it fair and balanced?
Did they report how people at the Fox message board thought *snarf* that Saddam had WMDs?
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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. Neither fair or balanced.
It was their way of saying we have been contributing to wild rumors about the disaster.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #26
114. ARE there wild rumors about the disastor?
I am actually kind of surprised that the right hasn't tried to blame this on terrorists (maybe they have?)




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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:58 AM
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25. Gee, I hope Fox had copyright permission.
It's the rightwingnut SOP; denigrate, denigrate, denigrate so that EVERYTHING EVER said/posted/written by the denigratee is forver denigrated.

So SOMETHING on DU hit a VERY touchy owwwie sore spot somewhere with some rightwingnut(s).
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. We do a pretty good job of debunking the tinfoil hats right here on DU
What the NYT and Fox have failed to mention is that we do a pretty good job here of debunking the local kooks on our own, without any "help" from the freepers.

But they never mention THAT.

How many of these "earthquake conspiracy" people on DU are really freepers coming here to make us look foolish?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. like the GOV's 'official' 911 story
we were the FIRST to study, debate and debunk that nonsense :toast:

peace
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #29
38. Fox doesn't care; they just want to plant the meme; "DU = nutcakes"
That's all they wanna do.

But WHY do they wanna do that???

Coz we're GETTING THE TRUTH OUT THERE!

:)
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #29
65. Actually the NYT DID point that out
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 12:50 PM by WoodrowFan
actually the NYT's article DID point out the debunking on the DU itself. I'm sure that escaped Faux's notice though.

"What was lost in the sniping over the Democratic Underground posting was the fact that the follow-up comments were a sober discussion of what actually causes earthquakes. The first response to the posting asked, "Earthquakes have been happening since the beginning of time ... How would you explain them?"

Further comments explained the movement of tectonic plates and provided links to sites explaining earthquakes and tsunamis from the United States Geological Survey and other authoritative sources."
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #65
74. I stand corrected, thanks. The NYT was "relatively fair"
Relative to Fox News, at least.

Thank you for the correction.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. it wasn't FAUXISH
But I think it was a non-story to begin with!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #65
102. That's impressive
They handed us some credibility, it seems. Unasked-for, by the way.

Thanks, NYT. Good job, Duers :)
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #25
75. I imagine whatever they said fell under "fair use."
eom
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:02 PM
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28. Don't think about Bill O'Reilly with his vibrator stuck up his a$$...
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:01 PM by NNN0LHI
...while he was talking dirty to his girlfriend on the phone. Think about DU, tsunamis, and nuclear explosions. Yea, thats just the ticket.

Hey Bill. Hows Mrs. O'Reilly doing? Bzzzz, bzzzz, bzzzz.

Don

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #28
41. rotflmao!!!
ARRRRRGH I snorted my soda!!!

:D
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #28
47. Bill O'Reilly *IS* their vibrator....
Bzzzz, bzzzz, bzzzz.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #47
64. I'll see your vibrator and raise you two glasses of wine and a loofa
:-)
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arkie dem Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #28
72. It's about time O'Reilly fields a question from
Jack Mehoffer from Springfield Mass. about Tsunamis and DU. }(
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #28
115. LOL! LOL!
Thanks that says it all!
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:06 PM
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32. The corporate media is threatened by alternative news sites.
Wrote this to the now locked thread...

Conspiracy Theories are often unreported news, you know.

The majors like to think that if they don't report it, it didn't happen.

If people are straying from the reservation to get their news, this is the first thing they say. They have to defend their turf.

Unfortunately for them, they are big, slow, and dumb. The Intarnets are big, fast, and full of relatively intelligent people, many of whom are here.

Also, we don't buy the official story on a lot of things, because it often doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense. When the news doesn't make sense, people are tempted to believe more sensible sounding explanations. That is the cause of most actual conspiracy theory.

For example: The magic bullet theory floated by Arlen Specter and accepted by the Warren Commission didn't make any sense. People sat at home and said, "Hmmm...ooookay." or "Something about that is kind of funny." Later speculation about the grassy knoll took years to come out, and even to this day is considered "conspiracy theory."

Nowadays, people can go out and share information and find out what's really happening, and be debunked or confirmed in real time. The networks are, understandably, a bit worried. Their monopoly on the truth is threatened.

Perhaps if they stopped reporting obvious bullshit, the Intarnets wouldn't be such a challenge to them
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:08 PM
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35. First, they ignore you.
Then they yell "conspiracy theorist!"

Then they fight strawmen.

Then you're proven right.
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DSperoRN Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #35
106. Most People Aren't Paranoid Enough
Dear DUers,

Remember that little boy who blew the whistle on the Emperor's New Clothes? If that happened now, they'd call that kid a conspiracy theorist and put a tin foil hat on him. The media certainly wouldn't investigate the actual claim.


That's why we keep getting hit with new outrages and crimes -- fabricated wars, stolen elections. People don't believe reality when they see it. They call it "conspiracy theory."

Yours for Truth,
David
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #106
125. in many cases
the kid isn't claiming that the emperor has no clothes, he claims that the emperor is really an alien lizard come to eat our children. You might do better to remember the kid who cried wolf.
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RUDUing2 Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:09 PM
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36. and we care about this why? Fox news is not reliable/reputable news
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:11 PM
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #39
59. If the Brit Hume Bobblehead gang laughed
It must be true. :tinfoilhat:
They will defend b*sh whether he kills 100,000 or 200,000, it doesn't matter.
DU is on the map! Hi Fox Fools! :hi:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:11 PM
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40. Again, here we go with the framing the debate thing...
How many times has this happened now? The more faux uses DU and conspiracy/tinfoil in the same sentence the more Joe Sixpack will believe it.

How do you fight it?

:grr:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. We don't fight it. We let them fight it.
We carry on getting the TRUTH out there.

We got em scared already. GOOD.

Now back to the TRUTH hunting business as usual for DU! :)
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. You don't. Fox has no credibility anyway. People will see the truth.
That conspiracy theorists have to back up their assertions here just like everyone else.

And Fox will be proven wrong.

Again.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:12 PM
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42. Hey
a LOT of Democrats and other liberals/progressives (pick your word, whatever) find this place that way.

I found DU when I was looking on a particularly nasty right wing blog and they mentioned DU. I was absolutely thrilled to find this place and have been here ever since.

Yee-ha!

As for trolls, the alert button is your friend!

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:14 PM
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44. Hi Mom!
she is a devout faux news fan! :(
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:16 PM
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46. ** THIS IS EMBARRASSING ***
Is anyone else NOT surprised at this?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:26 PM
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52. What exactly is embarrassing?
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:28 PM
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56. I am embarassed that DUers still fall for the propaganda.
They only have power if we give it to them by following their MEME's like lemmings.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:59 PM
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71. What Propaganda?
There's no denying that the crackpots and kooks exist at DU... and that they are loud... and that they draw negative attention to us. Our loud kooky minority make us all look bad. --- It's not fair, but that's the way it is.

-- Allen

Lemmings? :eyes:
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:50 PM
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68. the crackpots (NT)
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:27 PM
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53. Really?
You are pretty thinned skinned. If Fox calling you names upsets you you should consider not following politics and certainly should never form your own opinion of something without running it past Ruppert Murdoch first.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:41 PM
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62. Thanks For The Advice, Sterling.
:eyes:

My embarrassment goes beyond what Fox news things of the crackpots at DU and it existed before Fox news decided to highlight the kooks that make us an easy target.

I fail to understand why you offer me instructions on the proper procedure for forming an opinion. What does that have to do with anything?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:56 PM
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116. The REAL question here, arwalden, is the Soviet/Orwellian one
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 07:59 PM by tom_paine
You know, the one Free Americans have been asking ourselves... some since 1993 (not me, though, I slept until 2000 jolted me awake)...when the Busheviks became clearly successful at bullying and cowering Corporate TV Pravda, then to a degree I didn't think possible driving and controlled what and why and how long item get talked about...

How in hell does DU get spotlighted for craziness and NaziStormtrooper.com (some know it as Free Republic which supports Slave Empire in reality) NEVER does?!?

A question worthy to be asked by Sakharov to Brezhnev, because Totalitarians both Rightists Busheviks and Leftist Bolsheviks are so similar.

In addition to the loopy and evil shit that is on Freepland regarding the current tsunami and it's victims, they have long exceeded DU's quantity of vile loopiness by a factor of 10!

I have never looked at NaziStormtrooper.com for more than 15 min. without finding some Freeper's Wet Dream of Randomly Murdering Liberals exposed for everyone to see.

The sheer vile horror of what they say as a matter of course, which has nothing to do with their politics, but is bereft of humanity (as you would expect by the victims of Goebbels v2.0 Propaganda Edifice) as well.

Does stuff like that get say on DU? Occasionally. But in all my time spent on DU, I have only heard a similar fantasy about murdering Busheviks ONCE.

That is in 4 years of often daily visits, numbering OVER A thousand, no doubt)

I have dallied on Nazistormtrooper.com perhaps two dozen timeS in the same period, never spending more than 15 min. and I have seen more than one Murderous Bushevik Fantasy lovingly related more than once for eacj pf the seldom visits.

But how is it that such thing can go by their routinely, but even the laughably supposed "Liberal Media" has never mentioned them.

Hell, they invented "Poll Freeping" so much so it bears their name and literally have skewed viortually every political poll for probably 8 years.

Cue crickets chriping. The invention of "poll Freeping" for large scale use on internet polls is only say about a HUNDRED times more newsworthy than the anonymous ravings of Message Borad Posters.

Yet silence. Always silence from Corporate Pravda regarding things that make THE PARTY or The Emperor look bad.

Dear God, it is undoubtedly what the oppositions to both the Leftists Soviets and the Rightists Nazis must have felt when nothing that was done to them or what they did to try and become free EVER made Pravda or Der Sturmer.

Or Fox "News".

Madness. We live in a nation gone insane. Clinically insane.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:56 PM
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69. Permanent thread on the homepage ridiculing right-wing conspiracy theories
The problem is, the names Fox is calling SOME of us are true

Where FOX News CORRECT is in calling the "Earthquake Conspiracy Theorists" misinformed or crazy.

Where FOX is WRONG is in characterizing ALL of us and ALL of our conspiracy theories as misinformed and crazy.

Not all conspiracies are false, and not all conspiracies are true.

The same media that has lied to us about politics, has also been lying to us about science. No wonder we're confused!

What's the old metaphor? It's like teaching a dog to sit, and then kicking it when it does?

If we're mis-informed about science, it's because Fox TV has been partially responsible for mis-informing us-- along with the other networks that feed us a steady diet of pseudo-documentaries about UFOs, psychic detectives, and Area 51.

WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR THE SAME PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE MEDIA HAS BEEN LYING TO US ABOUT POLITICS IS ALSO LYING TO US ABOUT SCIENCE!

They mis-inform us about science, and then call us crackpots and kooks when we are mis-informed about science. What assholes.

In any case...

We should have a permanent thread that debunks and ridicules the right-wing conspiracy theories that have lingered over the years.

The Ruby Ridge Conspiracy
The Waco Branch Davidian Conspiracy
... and the Oklahoma City attack by right-wing nuts that believed in them

The Arkanside Body Count

Holocaust Revisionism

And my personal favorite right-wing conspiracy theory...
Bill Clinton attacking Osama Bin Laden was a "wag the dog" conspiracy to divert attention from Monica / Zippergate

Here are some sites dealing with right-wing conspiracy nuts:

Paranoid Conspiracism and the Right
http://www.publiceye.org/rightwoo/rwooz9-02.html

Resources against Holocaust Denial and Anti-Semitism
http://www.williscarto.com/zundel.html

Shoah Showdown - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust
http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/shoah2.html

Holocaust Denial: A Global Survey - 2003
http://www.tzemachdovid.org/vaadhatzala/shoah.shtml

Flit(tm): Right Wing Conspiracy Theories
http://www.snappingturtle.net/jmc/tmblog/archives/00496...

Conspiracy theories from Lobster magazine
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/conspiracy/theories-7...

Armed Militias, Right Wing Populism, & Scapegoating
http://www.etext.org/Politics/Arm.The.Spirit/Antifa/mil...

---

Now, if I remember correctly, The Skull and Bones Club conspiracy theories used to belong to the right wing when Clinton was president.

Once Republican Skull and Bones alumni are president, the right seems to dump the whole subject, and it gets taken up by the left.

It looks like UFOs, Alien Abductions, and Tesla weapons seem to be shared equally by the left and the right.

Correct me if I am wrong on those points, I'm not sure.

Also,are conspiracies about Freemasons, The Illuminati and such in the domain of the left, the domain of the right, or both?

In any case, let's put a permanent, MODERATED thread on the front page debunking and ridiculing the conspiracy theories of the right wing repugs.


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DSperoRN Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #69
107. Right-wing Conspiracy Theories
are not all crazy. Ian mentions

The Waco Branch Davidian Conspiracy and
The Arkanside Body Count (presumably including Clintonian involvement in the CIA's cocaine trafficking)

as examples. Well, there is probably much truth to a lot of this stuff. For example, exposes of the Waco massacre have been done by journalists of both Left and Right. The government story on that doesn't hold any more water than the official version of 9/11.

As I keep saying --
Most people aren't paranoid enough. After what we've seen and heard over the last four years, we shouldn't accept anything we see in the MSM at face value. Anything. If you're not paranoid, you haven't been paying attention.

Yours for democracy,
David
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #107
122. There isn't much truth to the Arkansas body count.
Everyone forgets that the folks in Waco set their own building on fire. The Waco Conspiracy existed, it was the Branch Davidians who conspired.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #46
77. Why be embarrassed by what Fox viewers think?
I dont get it.It's not like they were going to be full of love for us anyways.

Fuck 'em...and the Bill O'Reilly they rode in on.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #77
87. Considering most of them still think we found WMD's in Iraq ...
Fox viewers can't talk much about crackpots.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. LOL...it's like having someone throw a ball of yarn at us
:crazy:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:18 PM
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48. It's great that I don't have to search DU for these obscure posts
Fox News does it for me.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #48
55. LOL
I was just wondering if the thread that spawned all this is stuck in the archives already.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. Really where is that thread?
Has anyone seen it?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. I have. It was this past weekend, maybe...
About the possibility of Bush being behind the Tsunami.

I posted in it saying that it had occurred to me...

"Sir, there's another problem with the new sonar."
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #58
79. It's in the Science Forum Now
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:20 PM
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50. Fox goes to court to defend the right to knowingly lie to the public
Journalists challenge Fox, get $1 million legal bill

TV Spys ShopTalk reported Monday that two TV journalists have challenged the license renewal of WTVT Fox-13, charging that it deliberately broadcast false news reports about Monsantos secret use of potentially cancer-causing growth hormones in milk. Reporters Jane Akre and Steve Wilson filed the petition Monday against Foxs Tampa station after a Florida Appeals Court overturned a $425,000 jury award to them and then ordered them to pay Foxs $1 million legal bill for defending itself against their Whistleblower lawsuit. The court said broadcasting false news reports is not a crime, striking grounds for their suit. (emphasis mine /jc) The journalists are appealing.

Their petition to the Federal Communications Commission to deny the station's license renewal includes evidence that the stations managers repeatedly ordered them to distort a series of news reports about Monsantos secret use of the artificial hormone in dairy cattle throughout Florida and nationally. The reporters charge that station executives demanded their news stories be falsified to avoid a lawsuit by Monsanto and potential loss of advertising from the dairy industry. The petition also charges WTVT violated federal rules by removing complaints about the hormone story from its files.


http://seetheforest.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_seethefores...
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #50
70. In the UK
The court said broadcasting false news reports is not a crime, striking grounds for their suit.

In the UK, a libel judge said EXACTLY the opposite when the Daily telegraph was found guilty of defaming george Galloway when they printed false information about him being one of Saddams agents.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
78. The other part of this is that a reporter can be fired for
refusing to lie and that's AOK.

It creates a huge disincentive for reporters to stand up for the truth.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #50
81. Disseminating false news is a crime IN CANADA (I think)
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:22 PM by IanDB1
Maybe now that Fox News is in Canada, they can be sued IN CANADA?

If I remember correctly, Ernst Zundel was charged with this.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:27 PM
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54. The real cause of the earthquake that started the tsunami.
According to chaos theory, a butterfly flaps its wings and and we get a hurricane on the other side of the world.

My theory is that Bill O'Reilly's vibrator combined with Sean Hannity's vacuous hot air set in motion a chain of events that caused an earthquake on the other side of the world.

I hope Faux picks up on this really important theory.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. LOL. n/t
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #54
67. But you missed perhaps the most important ingredient...
Ann Coulter's hot flashes from lack of estrogen causing
sudden global warming.

Due to her busy schedule urging conversion of all
Muslims to Christianity, (s)he missed his/her latest
injection.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #54
117. Nope - it was bunker buster blown by Roger Ailes
I thought everyone knew Ailes was Bush's secret weapon in more ways than one!

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:30 PM
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57. Funny I have heard some REALLY outrageous things SAID on Fox News
Iraq has WMD
Chemical Ali was captured AFTER we killed him
Iraq has WMD
W's tax cuts will create jobs
There in infighting in the Republican party
Iraq has WMD AND ties to 9/11
Bush is from Texas

Iraq has WMD AND ties to 9/11 AND are a threat


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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:36 PM
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60. 'Scuse me folks while I head out to paste
my DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND.COM bumpersticker on my vehicle. Don't be intimidated, flaunt it with pride.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:42 PM
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63. Cool!
I'll have to send Brit Hume a thank-you note for the free advertising! They must be worried about us if both them AND NYT are noticing our existence!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:59 PM
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73. Why don't RWers ever talk about my posts ? Oh yeah
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:26 PM by proud patriot
I send care packages to soldiers , defend the
Constitution and believe that the tsunami was
a Natural Disaster .

Perhaps I should die my hair purple and pierce my
nose . :shrug:

oh by the way Bush's lies have killed 8 Americans
in January :cry: 2% of cargo is checked at our ports
and bush wants to hold people without charges or evidence
indefinitely for life setting back 800 years of precedent.

Have a good day Fox viewers , and Welcome Underground
Defense of the Constitution is a Non-partisan issue.

:headbang:
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:24 PM
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83. Hey Faux Snews...


stick around Fux lurkers...maybe you will learn something...
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:33 PM
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84. Is this their way of saying we've arrived?
Faux News bashes any 'liberal' or 'libertarian' outlet that doesn't toe the GOP/Neocon line. Of course they come after DU. Just like they will go after anyone who isn't a Hannitized Bush cheerleader.

As for the whacky poster who talked about the Tsunami being caused by underwater nuke tests, there was another poster with the opinion that undersea drilling had something to do with it. This is an open forum with relatively lax rules for posters and debated. Kooky stuff will get posted, to which the rest of us collectively roll our eyes and enthusiastically debunk.

As for the 'conspiracy theorists' out there, well, they have them on their side, too. Most threads on DU have nothing to do with conspiracies, but more to do with policy and politics. Any neutral or open-minded person coming here will see that fairly quickly. As for the trolls, I just consider that graffiti on the walls on the way to the train. I'll still get on the train.

It doesn't help that Bush's father helped to fund the nazis, that Bush was skull and bones, that Bush has ties to the Saudi royal family, that Bush had plans in place to invade Iraq prior to 911, need I go on?

I mean this administration lends itself to conspiracy theories like none other in history!
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #84
120. In defense of some of the *tin foil* above mentioned
Anymore it's hard to tell what is tinfoil.

Global warming is called a conspiracy by most right wingers (remember what they said about Al Gore because of his "Earth in Balance" book)

There are a lot of assorted "experts" with a political bent on our airwaves.

I guess my point is it's almost impossible to tell who's telling the truth and who is embellishing (or out and out lying) for political purposes...there IS one big difference, the right never gets called on it in the MSM.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:41 PM
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86. If They Liked That, They Will Love The 'Chem Trails' Theories
Maybe I should come up with a post along the lines of the "Great Egg" science fiction story from the 30's.

"My God, the increasing earthquake frequency means that the creature in the earth is about to hatch. Now we know why Our Great Leader, in his infinite foresight, wanted to build an ark to take the righteous to Mars, and off of this doomed vessel Earth."

That should really generate some more traffic.

On second thought, maybe someone should explain to them that this is an anonymous Internet forum. Somewhat tamer than most Internet forums, but still fairly freewheeling.



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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #86
94. Nice idea!
Maybe I'll post something about how the end of the world has been prophecied in subliminal messages hidden within the old TV show "M*A*S*H."

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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #94
111. Get your conspiracy theories straight.
The apocalypse is foretold in "Charles in Charge." "M*A*S*H" simply portends the Great American Pop Icon Shortage of the 2030s. Jesus.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:44 PM
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90. So What? They believed Dubya when he said there were WMD . . .
They are suckers for believing everything this Administration has LIED about.

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IHeart1993 Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:47 PM
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91. You know you've reached big time...
when you're bashed by Faux.

:hi: To those sent here by the fake news network
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:50 PM
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93. They are scared of us
Just like the Gandhi quote (paraphrased): First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.

Thanks for the free advertising, FOX! (you scumbags!)
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:07 PM
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97. Didn't Fox claim NASA never went to the moon? n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #97
101. They did the "Martian Autopsy" too n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:45 PM
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103. Does that mean that the "media" is directly competing with blogs?
That's the impression I am getting. They think blogs are their competition so they are trying to discredit them.
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secedeeconomically Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:56 PM
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104. The hypocrisy at Fox is amazing
I recently heard Tony Snow (one of there conservative hit men) on the radio. And one caller blames the Tsunami on God. Apparently according to this thespian of a caller, God wanted to punish south East Asians. Well guess what, snow said nothing just thanked her for her comments. Then that asshole turn around and quotes some left website regarding the possible reason for the Tsunami. This guy is a joke, I kick myself for wasting 20 minutes of my life listening to that joker.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:31 PM
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109. They try to discredit democraticunderground.com but say nothing
of the drudgereport site? Unbelievable!

FUCK FOX NEWS!
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:29 PM
Response to Original message
112. Alright!
they're making us out to be wacko conspiracy nuts! Yayness.

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I_Luv_Mao Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:15 PM
Response to Original message
119. Fox is the Devil
Fox News must be stopped. There is nothing fair and balanced about it. We must win the next election and Hillary needs to pull the plug on Fox News and Rush.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #119
126. darn, missed it
I luv Mao?? BOL!!! that name didn't last long!
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ExclamationPoint Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:20 PM
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121. I would burst in anger if I took faux news seriously
but I don't. My brother even wrote a letter to the bigots explaining that he didn't get comedy central, but that that was OK because he had fox to laugh at.
I like the NYT, and I wish that DU's first publicity on it had been more geared to the insightful and intellectual posts, but still I don't think it was such a big deal. I still like The New York Times.
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shesemsmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:29 PM
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123. I just came in to see if there was anything on this
I was passing through the living room and the Hubby had on the news( fox) although forbidden in this house. (he does it it piss me off) and I glanced at the screen, while waves of nausea passed over hearing O'Riely's voice, to be the DU page and I thought WTF is this so I came in here to see what was going on. Can you beleive it must be slow news night.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:39 PM
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124. Here's the link.
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 08:45 PM by spotbird
A fine example of investigative journalism if there ever was one.

Shit it wouldn't even pass for news in a high school paper, they don't even provide a link to the comment, I wonder if even that was real.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143277,00.html
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 02:02 AM
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127. Alright! Now I'm OFFICALLY PISSED OFF AT FOX NEWS!!!
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 02:04 AM by Dangerman
:grr: :grr: :grr:
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