Now Bev has pissed off Randi! Jeez, she makes enemies faster

[Sperk]

than the BFEE. I know Bev has been banned here, but I was wondering if anyone knew what Bev did to Randi? Randi told Bev to stop having her people call the show because she was never, never, never going to forgive her.

Anybody have a clue?

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. They had a rather heated conversation a few weeks ago

I didn't hear it but read about it here at DU. Bev was making claims, Randi was asking her to back them up and she couldn't. Randi was also asking how Bev had spent the donations she had collected.

[justiceischeap]

10. Here's the link to the audio archives

No descriptions but...

http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=show&id=6

[ralps]

26. The date at airamericaplace.com is 12/14 but the final hour is missing.

Also at the randirhodes archives the final hour is missing. Right around that same time someone here posted an mp3 of the bev call.
:hi:

[Sydnie]

2. I think it was that Bev didn't give her full credit for the donations that

Randi solicited for "the cause". Bev said they raised a very low amount (was it $23,000) when even Randi knows it was more than that.

Just my guess though. I missed the show where they had words with each other last.

[saracat]

9. That is not what Andy says. And Randi also thinks that number is way low.

[davidwparker]

21. If you missed the show and are guessing, why are you posting?

I heard the show and the first one to reply in this thread had it. Bev was not returning phone calls. Randi left messages and Bev said didn't receive them. Bev through up someone must be tampering with her phone.

Then, Randi asked about what she's found and why she wasn't in Ohio at the informal hearing. She said she wasn't asked. Etc.

Randi believed that Bev has the source code from FOIA and Bev said, no, it was some previous version.

Randi was right to air the exchange in realtime. From that conversation, it seems that Bev knows what she is talking about but is too much of lone wolf and wants to do everything herself. Hence, her label now "difficult to get along with."

She should have appeared before Conyers (informal) hearing.

[Sydnie]

35. I read what Andy posted since I missed the show

Andy did say that the figure that Bev reported was too low. I also remember hearing Randi say that she wasn't going to do anymore on air solicitations because "they just don't work".

If there was more to it, then I am glad that some one educated me to that fact.

Yes, I did say it was just a guess. I can admit that I don't know everything without shame. :)

[T Town Jake]

63. And the *first* of what will no doubt be...

...many Bev-bots in this thread makes an appearance... :eyes:

[Kelvin Mace]

37. The number i get from

my insider is $300,000+

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Sydnie]

46. Thanks David. I knew it was much larger than Bev claimed. n/t

[JanMichael]

3. Well...just right off the top of my head

she used other people's work and took credit for it-

[purduejake]

8. Any links?

Not that I don't believe what you are saying. I just hold a high opinion of her and want proof before I change my attitude.

[Kelvin Mace]

38. You seriosusly need to read the archives on Bev

Plenty of evidence has been presented that Bev has lied about her actions and libeled other activists for petty and spiteful reasons. Her lawsuit in California garnered her $75K, but accomplished nothing except getting Diebold off the hook.

If you seriously can't find the links, PM me and I'll give you a list. Most of this was hashed over in MANY 200+ threads in 2004 Election Results forum

Bev Harris has left a trail of bodies in her wake of people she has betrayed.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

Edit: correction about thread location

[purduejake]

4. I've been wondering the same thing!

I know a lot of people still love here, though. I will until I have reason to do otherwise.

[JanMichael]

7. Then get in line;

Bev Harris has in one way or another screwed over every single person that I know of that tried to join her, or help her.

But, if you still believe, go for it---hey...I still personally care about the Easter Bunny.

[ElectroPrincess]

5. I know that I must really be out of the Net in more ways than one ...

but Who is Bev?:shrug:

[Old and In the Way]

16. Bev Harris, BlackBoxVoting

Rather infamous on the board these days........

[vi5]

6. So wait....who am I supposed to be offended at?

I've been chastized and told that if you criticize Bev you're a traitor to liberals because of all the great work she does. But I've also been told that If you criticize Randi you're a traitor to liberals because of all the great work she does. But then again it used to be if you criticized Michael Moore you were a traitor because of all the great work he does, but apparently that's not so any more because he said something or other that I'm supposed to be indignant over.

God, it's no wonder we get our asses handed to us in elections when we all spend most of our time arguing with each other over who is more devoted to which cause and which of those causes should be most important.

Note of Clarification: This isn't directed at you. You were just relaying what you heard on the show. It was more just at the notion that Randi and Bev are in some kind of a tizzy, and also based on numerous other posts I've read on here today.

[purduejake]

11. It's Diebold who we have to worry about...

But our unity does seem to be fracturing. I think they all have great intentions until proven otherwise.

[vi5]

14. No, it's Bush that we have to worry about...

..and Frist...and Hastert...and Limbaugh.....and Hannity...and the list goes on and on.

THOSE are the people who are going to be raping this country left and right while we're sitting around trying to prove that a particular code was programmed a particular way.

[purduejake]

17. And how will we bring change if we can never get any power...

through elections if it is impossible for us to win? We moved on after 2000 and it didn't seem to work too well. Sorry, Diebold must go down.

[vi5]

19. By actually getting a message....

And stopping the arguing amongst ourselves as to who is more devoted to what causes and who is the best liberal amogst us based on how strongly they react to which issue.

[purduejake]

20. Getting a message?

We have a message. Who's going to take over the MSM so we can get it out? I guess that could be an idea, but if you know how us liberals can get more money that the mepublicans, do share.

edit: And what exactly is a message supposed to do? You want us to write to Diebold and ask them to PLEASE be fair?!? HAHAHAH!

[vi5]

22. Actually we did raise more money than they did....

But most of it was given to 527's who couldn't coordinate with the campaign. But dollar for dollar the left matched the right. The problem is that people on the left still don't like to feel beholden to a party so they felt they were doing more good by giving to Move On and organizations like that. If everything that went to Move On had gone to the Kerry campaign or the Dem party they would have been able to coordinate better responses and used the money directly.

There are many other ways as well, but I have neither the time nor the patience to type them out here. Hell there are even about a ton of other voting reforms which I'd like to see. I'll focus on that stuff before I worry about Dieobold.

[purduejake]

24. I was talking about taking over the company by buying it out.

Not raising money to support the mepublican media.

edit: How much do you suppose it would take to gain control over GE?

[vi5]

29. Raising money to buy Diebold?

Good luck with that.

[purduejake]

31. Yea, you just made my point.

I've been trying to get that across from the beginning. Moving on without contesting the election and methods is pointless.

[Kahuna]

13. Thinking for yourself is the best bet. It's served me very well.

:hi:

[vi5]

15. I know...

My post was highly sarcastic.

[jobycom]

23. LOL I know what you mean, actually.

One of my first posts on this board many years ago was a rant about Michael Moore, and I was told I just didn't get it. I still get challenged when I criticize him (and I still do when he deserves it). I've criticized some of Bev's findings on the whole BBV issue and gotten blasted for it, and even got into debates with her online.

Oddly, I've never criticized Randi for anything, but I got blasted for supporting her once when another DUer said she was too rude to her callers.

It's all good. It's just proof that the Thought Nazis haven't brainwashed liberals into noncritical acceptance of the party line, the way they did to the Repubs. We retain our independence, and that makes us liberals more than any public figure we support or oppose at any given time.

[Swamp Rat]

92. Damn straight!

[Kahuna]

12. Bev claimed that she never received any calls that Randi said

she made to her. I heard the conversation. Bev came off as full of sh!t.

[n69n]

18. ....like sands in the hourglass....

well this is a new development.

just as she was going off the air, Randi addresed Bev on air saying "dont call, dont have your friends call, i am never going to forgive you!!!"

[Wapsie B]

25. Hmmmmm

the cynic in me wonders whether she was just another plant by the righties.

[purduejake]

28. Sounds too complicated to imagine...

But then again, we're talking about people who stole the republic without most Americans knowing it.

[Kelvin Mace]

39. Folks, some times

an asshole is just an asshole.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[w4rma]

27. Fucking soap opera. (nt)

[TrustingDog]

30. Randi's a fishwife screecher. sorry, but I don't like that gal to much.

all blowhard and no listening time for that chick. feh.

[Gyre]

51. I'm with you

I like her politics but her tone is shrill. And for me that's painful to listen to. But I'm glad we've got somebody being obnoxious for our point of view anyways.

Gyre

[Malva Zebrina]

32. Randi Rhodes was flim, flammed

like a lot of people who believed Bh.

She should have done some more research/homework, but to her credit, when she realized her mistake, did something positive about it and had no compunctions about doing it publically, on air. That is a particularly brave and honest thing for RR to do.

And I do think there is a cabal of "friends" who may very well be calling RR,and even posting on forums such as DU to defend BH's three ring, voter fraud, circus. They are easy to recognize by their "upbeat" public relations rhetoric and low post counts and there is more than one, I suspect, from reading the posts.

The right thing to do is to demand an accounting of where all that donated money was and is being spent. Demand it! You gave hard earned money and deserve a full and complete accounting from Bev Harris. Everyone else has to do it that has taken any postion in this issue and has raised donator money, and so should she.

Get this woman to levy with you up front now,and I don't mean reading her rambling web site, so that in the future, she cannot play another three stooges type game and rake in the money of innocent, naive believers.

[Stephanie]

52. Isn't she subject to any rules, as a 501-C-3?

Or whatever the non-profit status they have is. They must be subject to financial oversight, by the IRS if no one else. Who monitors non-profits, aside from the IRS?

[Kelvin Mace]

59. Oh, she's subject to them

which is why I can't wait to read the filings.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Malva Zebrina]

125. I would think so

Someone should hold her feet to the fire here and demand a complete and public accounting of her precious BBV.

No one knows how much she raked in, in donations,especially since Randi Rhodes took on the case and encouraged those donations, and further no one knows where it was all spent.

Let us see exactly how our money was spent by Bev Harris and the "disgruntled" ad hoc, volunteer Florida garbage pickers brigade. If it is not up to par, she deserves the same justice as Martha Stewart.

[MissB]

33. I don't particularly care

Why on earth should we discuss who Bev pisses off?

[Kelvin Mace]

45. Easy question

to ask if you haven't been one of her victims.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[MissB]

47. That's very true

It is just that I am weary of hearing her (Bev's) name. Frankly, she seems to have pissed just about everyone off - and I'm aware you're very much on that list. You have every right to be pissed.

[Cleita]

34. Randi solicited money for her to get to the bottom of

the election in Ohio and she blew it. If I were Randi I would be pissed too after sticking my neck out trying to get her the money she needed and then having her drop out of sight during the crucial week.

Bev was gung ho on this issue and much fraud was exposed, but when everyone's work was about to expose a huge scandal, Bev was incommunicado. She dropped the ball when she was just about to score a victory. When Randi asked her some very direct questions, she was very evasive and tried to change the subject.

In the meantime, we get Bush for another four years for sure it seems. I don't know maybe if Bev was threatened by Rove, but I doubt it. I think he figured out she was a flake long before any of us did.

Incidentally, another old-timer DUer told me a year ago when Bev was setting up her website that Bev didn't do her own research but took other peoples work and claimed credit for it.

[demgrrrll]

36. Didn't Bev cash in on Monica Lewinsky cigars or something like

that? I thought I read that she has written books about how to make money using unusual methods. I may be wrong. I will check it out on the old googler. My point is that there are some folks who felt that she had just found another money making opportunity.

[Kelvin Mace]

41. Here's the cigar link

http://web.archive.org/web/19991009084019/http://www.talion.com/cigar.htm

Talion is Bev's company. Bev's real name is Bev Dudley.

She also did a book (alas the pages no longer exist) on how to make money by spotting hot topics on web forums and writing a book about them.

Bev is a dedicated opportunist and she made a bundle at our expense. Last time I added it up, she's cost me over $100K and nearly put me out of business.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[nomatrix]

55. Someday she will be caught in her own noose

She also did a book (alas the pages no longer exist) on how to make money by spotting hot topics on web forums and writing a book about them.

I noticed Dr. Macurri has copywritten her site now.

I thought it was strange how BH didn't know how to access the information she was so sure of. She was alway seeking out software techs to explain it to her. Much of the information was already on the WEB, but she always claimed to have an "exclusive" on something ready to break. Always dangling some carrot.

I hope it doesn't discourage others from investigating topics. Many did that during 2000 at Salon/tabletalk and there were books written that were an easy copy and paste. I didn't mind searching and posting. Just wanted to catch * in their election theft. It is addictive.

David, I'm sorry you were burned.

[leesa]

40. This is interesting because not ONE of Bev's enemies has ever stated

anything concrete that she has done wrong. I imagine she has made mistakes...she's an amature...but the vicious accusations seem very much out of proportion.

If you are going to slam someone who has done SO MUCH MORE than most of us have, can you at least be succinct in your accusations of wrong-doing??

[Kelvin Mace]

43. Let see, where do I start?

1) Bev Harris has accused other activists of stealing her work and making money off it. She accused me of cheating her, working for Diebold/ES&S etc, she's called me a liar and a thief, claimed she never got any money and has constantly warned people away from my site, accusing it of being "deceptive". All of these claims are utterly and demonstrably false.

2) Bev claimed that she did ALL the work on the book, which is a flat out lie.

3) Bev claimed her files were seized when here site was shut down, yet no such thing happened.

4) Bev Accused BartCop, EFF, Avi Rubin, Rebecca Mercuri, David Dill and MANY other people of secretly filing qui tam law suits in order to make money off "her" work. In reality, the only person filing a qui tam was Bev.

5) Bev told people she was contesting the settlement in California when she did no such thing and couldn't have if she wanted to.

6) Bev PUBLICLY humiliated, betrayed and fired Andy Stephenson, her most loyal follower after he finally got tired of her constant abuse and lies and quit. Bev pretended she didn't know he had quit when she talked to Randi, when she had already planned to fire him to discredit him.

7) Bev's qui tam lawsuit gave Diebold a complete pass for further mischief in CAlifornia since all the evidence presented was dismissed "with prejudice" as part of the settlement.

8) Bev has repeatedly abused memebers of the press, most recently Keith Oberlmann.

9) Bev has started re-writing history to eliminate or downplay other people's contribution, while highlighting or fabricating her own actions.

10) Bev is planning to file a federal qui tam to make even more money at the expense of wasting ALL the evidence dug up in the last two years.

I'm just geting started, do you want me to go on?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

53. funny that...

I haven't noticed you so adamant against vote fraud in general, or the Bushithole, as you are against Bev....

are you just against Bev or FOR anything else?

[Kelvin Mace]

56. Ah, one of Bev's many defenders is here

and as usual, you start by attacking the motives of her critic.

If you want to know what I have done and do on the issue of voting reform, do your homework.

My credentials are quite well established as a liberal and as anti-BBV activist. If you had bothered to read any of the threads where I and others carefully documented Bev's sins with links and her own words, you'd know that.

You question my opposition to Bush? Have you bothered to go to the web site that appears under my name?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

57. David, I'm sure you think you have your reasons for anger...

'bout Bev.
I really don't have a Clue about what is Really going on.

but I do note you just come on DU to Slam Her.

[Kelvin Mace]

61. If you don't have clue,

why not educate yourself?

I do have others posts on DU, try looking (Hint: North Carolina would be a good place to start).

Because Bev made this her base of operation for so long, her name an news about her comes up frequently, and I post to make sure no one else gets sucked in by her lies.

So, you statement that I "only come on DU to slam her" is completely false.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

62. sorry, but your whining is not so important to me...

considering what is Really At Stake...

and Bev should not be the target.

If you have some Real Proof of her doing something illegal, get yourself lawyered up instead of gossiping crap all over here, mmK?

[TrustingDog]

64. just to soften things up... Happy New Year and all that rot.

I really don't want bad feelings. Just words.

[Kelvin Mace]

68. Bit late, that...

Words have context and meaning and yours have said plenty.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

70. and so have yours. I am willing to accept difference...

u?

[Kelvin Mace]

67. Oh, and just what is Bev doing besides discrediting the movement?

You are using yet another tired argument, one that holds that Bev is so holy, that all sins she commits must be forgiven.

Give me a break.

If I could afford to sue Bev for libel I would be in court tomorrow. But then, I am not the one sitting on a pile of other people's money, Bev is.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[TrustingDog]

76. ya talkin' to me?

There have been many accusations of Bev doing things illegal.... taking money from her donors for personal value. etc. Rumours.

You just have to be stupid to accuse someone of doing that in public without hard proof and backup ( and yeah, lawyers)

show the hard proof or shut up your Gladys Gravitz yapholes.

[TrustingDog]

77. better yet. do it somewhere else than Here.

[T Town Jake]

90. Better yet still...

...make me. Howze about that?

[Kelvin Mace]

78. Could you show me where I have accused

Bev of financial impropriety?

As far as I know, I have accused of libel and slander, not fraud.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

80. so how's your libel/slander case going?

[Kelvin Mace]

82. My, you are just trying to be provocative

as I said above that I don't have the money to sue Bev. Lawyers aren't cheap and I have to actually pay mine, unlike Bev, who get's here legal services free from her qui tam lawyer.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

85. and how do you know Bev get's her legal fees free....

link/source?

[Kelvin Mace]

89. My source is Bev herself

who in one of her nice threatening phone calls trying to bully the book rights from me told me so.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

94. it's just 'he said ' 'she said' to me.

and knowing that Bev has been tombstoned here....
kinda not 'democratic'?

[Kelvin Mace]

97. Again, there is plenty of evidence

on this site in Bev's own words to convict her, yet you refuse to read it.

[TrustingDog]

99. evidence of what, again? I'm confused. I do admit it.

what EXACTLY are you accusing (with evidence) that Bev Harris is guilty under the law of?

[Kelvin Mace]

107. Oh, I see, unless

she commits a crimes, is arrested, tried and convicted, she has done nothing you will criticize.

In that case, what is your beef with George Bush? Why are you even talking about vote fraud, since no one has been found guilty of such a crime?

Tell you what, you just follow Bev wherever she takes you. Do call and let me know when anything she does results in an election being overturned.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Name removed]

113. Deleted message

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[T Town Jake]

93. Ah...an old and oft-discredited "debate" tactic makes a limp showing...

...the focus is shifted once the original question has been asked and answered definitively. The Bev-bots are indeed pathetic in this silly manner...

[TrustingDog]

96. if it wasn't for the 'BevBots' ....

election fraud, what's that?

but, if the fraud isn't outted,...

IT'S BEV'S FAULT! She didn't Work hard enough, or be NICE enough....
meanwhile back at the skull and bones ranch.....

[T Town Jake]

105. Ease up on that koolaid...

...it's not healthy to be so inebriated with single-minded hero-worship and other unbalanced delusions...

[TrustingDog]

114. and it's not too healthy to bring down a peasant...

when you know you can't get the King.

[T Town Jake]

81. Yeah, I AM talking...

...directly to both you and all the other Bev-bots whom infest this forum.

"or shut up your..."

Uh-huh...and what are you going to do, precisely, if I don't? Riddle me that...snicker...

[TrustingDog]

83. not pay much attention to your unqualified angst?

[T Town Jake]

88. LOL..."unqualified angst"...

...how much plumbing through the dictionary did it take you before you came up with that clumsy phrase? The old saying about "coming to a battle of wits half-armed" has fit nowhere as perfectly as it does here...

[TrustingDog]

104. monty python... tis a mere flesh wound....

that's you, not me.

[knight_of_the_star]

87. Cop-out

While I don't have Mr. Allen's personal experiences to back me up here, I can say without any doubt that your post here is a total cop-out. I can ALSO say that from what I've heard of Bev Harris from her press releases and the like, she makes a lot of noise about finding something, putting out a book, etc, there have been many such announcements in the time I've been on DU, and NONE have come to fruition. Lots of talk, lots of smoke, but nothing actually substantial to backup said talk and smoke.

ON EDIT: Go ahead and accuse me of only coming on here to go after Bev Harris. I dare you.

[TrustingDog]

91. and I dare you too....

to disagree, that Election Fraud was brought most forefront EVER, thanks to Bev Harris. I don't care if she's a bitch, or is not 'nice' sometimes to her colleagues. I don't care if she is anything other than The Purpose.

[Kelvin Mace]

95. No, Bev copped all the publicity for other people's work

then she did all in her power to destroy their reputations. What you you are saying is "the ends justify the means" which last time I looked was a righ-wing philosophy.

She went to California with evidence developed by other people and enriched herself by filing a lawsuit against Diebold. The end result is the evidence is no useless against Diebold in California and nothing was accomplished to get them out.

If this woman was screwing you over the way she screwed myself and a legion of other activists, you would sing a different tune.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

102. what was her commission by this treachery?

[knight_of_the_star]

106. I had to read that three times to get a glimmer of understanding

I don't have my BA yet, but that is some seriously butchered English.

[TrustingDog]

112. or maybe you have the Bush 101 ?

[Kelvin Mace]

108. The fact that Diebold got off with no real punishment

AND ALL THE EVIDENCE USED AGINST THEM CAN NEVER BE USED AGAINST THEM AGAIN.

But, since Bev can do no wrong in your eyes, I guess even helping Diebold is OK by you.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

111. so you accuse Bev of being an insider 'Diebolder?:

[Kelvin Mace]

115. Now, where did I say that?

You know, I thought you might honestly be sincere, but NOBODY can be as obtuse as your pretend to be. You ask questions, then duck around the answers. You then deliberately twist words like this post, or ask the same question that has already been answered.

You have completely convinced me your are either a) one of Bev's proxies, or b) just a troll who enjoys little mind games.

Either way, you are now on my ignore list.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

117. i'm just asking what You are saying...

WTF are you saying?

what I say is: I back Bev, warts and all.

What's your line? Do you Back something, or do you want to unBack something?

[NC Beach Girl]

119. ridiculous

You know, if you really feel that Bev is above reproach and you're just the noble defender of all that is right and good (yadda yadda yadda), then these sorts of posts are just silly.

Obviously, David did not say anywhere that Bev is a Diebolder...and it is just as obvious that Bev DID indeed help Diebold greatly by getting all that evidence dismissed in CA with prejudice. They really had screwed up in CA and they got away with it with a tiny rebate of the millions of dollars CA paid them for their machines in the first place.

Nobody has said she is a Diebolder, ever. However, it is clear to most (except for the hardcore bots) that she is opportunistic (Clinton cigar, anyone?) and did not make a good decision by deciding to go for a Qui Tam. Nobody is saying that wanting to make money is bad...however, wanting to make money at the expense of voting reform IS bad. Wanting to make money at the expense of many good activists hard work IS bad. What Bev did is NOT helpful and there is simply no way for you to spin it and make it so.

[TrustingDog]

116. so tiny lil Bev should make Diebold vapour into the wind...

are you yahoo serious here?

[NC Beach Girl]

120. Not exactly...

"Tiny little Bev" should have taken the evidence against Diebold and given it to every single TV station, newspaper, activist group from both parties, state Attorney General, Secretary of state, election official, and government person she could find. Heck, she could have even just posted ALL the evidence on her stupid web page instead of the weekly story promising "big news coming!!!". She could have worked WITH other groups instead of alienating everyone else. She is a PR person and was very much in the news during this time, but she never showed any solid evidence to anyone because she was saving it for her antipated big pay day.

Acoording to Andy Stephenson, she is doing the same thing now so that she can file a Federal Qui Tam.

She should NOT have participated in a QUI TAM which kept all evidence sealed for months and then watch her stupid gamble for millions fall apart and be dismissed with prejudice and a mere 76k each for her and her Republican buddy, Jim.

[Kelvin Mace]

123. This is a waste of time

TD is oblivious to fact and deliberately twisting words. He/She appears to have an agenda which includes pretending to miss the point.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[TrustingDog]

118. dave... Bev helped Diebold...

AND ALL THE EVIDENCE USED AGINST THEM CAN NEVER BE USED AGAINST THEM AGAIN.
But, since Bev can do no wrong in your eyes, I guess even helping Diebold is OK by you.

[knight_of_the_star]

100. So are you saying then

That Electoral Fraud would NOT be front and center if Bev Harris didn't do what she did?

I don't buy that for a second considering that there were questions and protests of Bush's ascendancy in 2000 within DAYS of Bush v Gore. You can argue she got it into public light, but she didn't KEEP it in public light. If she did, then I can bet you that Blackwell would NOT have been able to pull off what he did.

[TrustingDog]

110. what I mean and say... personally

I wouldn't know shit about election fraud ( conspiracy theory stuff ) until Bev the Harris actually made a few MSM heads nod in that direction for a second or two with the Johns Hopkins researcher (2002?). It wasn't David Allen or any other name, it was Bev, although I fully realize this was not a one woman BevThing).

So before you flog her into the dirt, YOU try to make that millisecond presence on the useless airwaves we call News...

[T Town Jake]

65. Bev-bot #2 puts in a showing...

(n/t)

[dutchdemocrat]

66. Hey David, why hijack a domain name in the 1st place?

Plan Nine Publishing
Registered through: Hare-Link
Domain Name: BLACKBOXVOTING.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
DNS1.I-NETCO.COM
DNS2.I-NETCO.COM

For complete domain details go to:
http://www.secureserver.net/whois.asp?prog_id=atraydes

I am no great defender of Bev Harris, but what was the purpose in your purchasing of the domain name www.blackboxvoting.com Mr. Allen? Domain squatting in the world of progressive activism is simply ugly.

This infighting is pathetic and has done more to undermine the movement than anything.

[Kelvin Mace]

69. Care to get your facts right,

before you make accustaions?

Try going to blackboxvoting.com, my site, the FIRST site.

Again, have you bothered to determine anything about this issue before you jumped in?

Why should I not own the domain? I coined the phrase.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

edit: punctuation

[T Town Jake]

73. And Bev-bot #3 weighs in...

... :eyes:

You folks are as predictable as the night is long...

[Kelvin Mace]

75. Well,

you have to admit, accusing me a cyber-squatting is certainly new.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[T Town Jake]

79. LOL...yep, that's...

...original, so to speak - as an accusation. But after so many false ones pointed in so many directions by the Bev-bots I've simply lost track of the all new ones...

BTW, keep up the good work. You're telling the truth as it should be told. :yourock:

[NC Beach Girl]

121. weird

I'm not sure how you missed this part on your domain lookup:

Registered through: Hare-Link
Domain Name: BLACKBOXVOTING.COM Created on: 21-Jan-03

Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Domain Name: BLACKBOXVOTING.ORG Created On: 09-Jul-2003

Last time I checked, January 03 came before July 03, so blackboxvoting.com came first.

I think you owe Mr. Allen an apology for accusing him of cyber squatting, no?

[Kelvin Mace]

122. Now, there you go again...

making the extra effort to type in the OTHER domain to ascertain which came first.

You ruin more argumnets that way. <g>

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org


<g>

[Stephanie]

48. Succinct?

Bev's critics are too long-winded?

[Kelvin Mace]

49. One would be tempted to comment

about short attention spans, but one will refrain.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Stephanie]

60. Well the comment was really directed at hilarious vocabularies.

But it's certainly a Freudian slip.

[knight_of_the_star]

84. This reads like a lot of attacks I've seen on Wes Clark

All powder and no shot.

[Kelvin Mace]

86. Really?

And given the fact that evidence has been meticuously provided in many previous threads, have you read any of those?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[knight_of_the_star]

98. I didn't mean yours

I meant the attacks on you, people trying to disprove your points.

[Kelvin Mace]

101. Oh, sorry

my mistake. <s> Following threads back to their source comment for context gets a tad tricky.

Again, my apologies.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[knight_of_the_star]

103. It's cool

Completely understandable.

[Kelvin Mace]

109. An instance of "friendly fire"

<g>

[Zomby Woof]

42. Bev Harris has ALWAYS been a fucking nutcase whackjob

Vindication is sweet. You're welcome!

[Kelvin Mace]

44. Hey ZW!

You know, we need to start a web site with the greatest hits of DU threads about Bev.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Ladyhawk]

50. I thought about doing a search so I could find the thread where she...

...threatened to sue DU over a trifle, plus the thread that links back to all the archival antics of Bev, but you know what? I'm tired of performing that search for all the people who haven't read the right threads.

Maybe I'm lazy.

It's just that as big as this site is, there will always be a few people who don't know what transpired.

Suggestion for those who haven't figured out Bev is nuttier than peanut brittle: do your own search in the archives of the 2004 election forum with "Bev Harris" as the subject. There is one by a mod, notifying everyone that Bev had been banned for the second time and explaining why. Read that thread and the archives linked therein.

Think for yourself.

Pay it forward so I don't have to post this information ever again. :P

[jdj]

54. my only contribution to this would be that I heard an

interview with RR and BH, no this one, but one maybe right after the election, and I was a little struck by how vague Bev was. Randi, to my chagrin, doesn't know how to hush and let people talk, so Bev just kept talking over top of her, which other people need to try as well, because it worked, but I have followed this BBV stuff here for a year and a half or so, both lurking and posting, and I just didn't understand why Bev was not more specific, when she really needed to use that theater to draw a larger group into the picture.

She said NOTHING specific or convincing about the whole issue. I was really disappointed. If I were very new to the issue, I would certainly not get turned onto it by that interview.

What has Bev done or said to Olberman? That I have not heard about.

[Kelvin Mace]

58. Her typical behvaior when questioned

by anyone about her motives, she attacked and threatened him.

One final note here. I should clarify what I wrote in this space last night about Countdown’s interaction with Bev Harris of Black Box Voting. My staff is not certain that any of our messages to Ms. Harris inviting her on the show since the week of November 15 have specifically asked her for permission to play the videotapes of her work trying to audit the Florida vote. We think so, but I’ve got only three people booking all the guests on this program, and they each probably make about 100 calls a day.

Complicating our effort is the fact that even as we hoped to provide a platform to publicize and illuminate her efforts, Ms. Harris had returned none of the messages left on her own voicemail by Countdown staffers since she spoke to our staffers briefly, twice, during the week of November 8. Only today did she even get back in touch with us, and was so belligerent, threatening, and demanding, that we have chosen to withdraw our invitation to her to appear, or to have videotape of her efforts played, on Countdown.

Threats against myself or my staff will not be tolerated. We are not only busting our humps on the voting irregularities beat, but we remain the only mainstream news organization to continue to cover this vital story. These are my people — they are running professional risks I can’t begin to describe — and I will stand up for them, first, last, and always.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008/

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Phoebe_in_Sydney]

72. I heard the Randi / Bev bunfight

and although I know Randi tends to talk over people and not always give them a chance to explain themselves, on this occasion she was within her rights. Bev Harris didn't seem to want to explain anything and Randi kept interrupting her vague ramblings and demanding answers.

I'd never heard or seen Bev Harris until that day. I'd never even visited her site -- tho I'd heard lots about her blackbox voting campaign. As a regular RR listener I knew Randi had supported, and encouraged her listeners to support Bev in her activism against electoral fraud.

harris gave no coherent explanation of why she'd never returned calls from the Randi Rhodes Show. Gave no coherent explanation of why she'd never returned calls from Keith Olberman's show. And I was damned if I could figure out exactly what it was she was doing about anything.

She seemed to be tap-dancing and Randi seemed to be getting angrier and angrier. By the time the phone call ended I remember thinking "Well, if she was the best hope for proving electoral fraud, then we're all stuffed."

To make Randi angrier she then got hit with a bunch of callers wanting to know why she'd solicited donations for a dropkick like Bev Harris -- and where the hell the money donated had gone.

I think at that point RR decided she'd had enough of Bev Harris. I heard her comments this morning warning off any of Bev's supporters from calling her show. I got the impression there may have been further exchanges between the parties after what we heard on air last month.

[Kelvin Mace]

74. I think Randi

has found out how Bev treated Andy, who she liked.

Bev will now add Randi to her list of enemies.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Malva Zebrina]

126. and there she has met her match

in Randi Rhodes.

[Kelvin Mace]

124. Did Bev EVER appear in Washington, DC

to "testify"? I saw about a half-dozen posts claiming she was going to on Monday, but heard nothing else.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org


edit: Clarified question.