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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:53 AM
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Think the Christian Right hasn't called for murder? Think again.
"The AFA (American Family Association) think that homosexuals in this country should be thrown in jail for sodomy, but they also argue that the Bible prescribes death for them. AFA literature states that "...the Bible is unambiguous and consistent in its prohibitions of homosexuality."
http://www.afaexposed.com

The Christian Coalition through its publications promoted the sale of Legislating Immorality a book that calls for the death penalty for homosexuals. Lynn said "Here is Ralph Reed selling hate
literature...at the same time he says that violence is never justified...I do not remember Martin Luther King peddling hate literature."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_0027.htm

"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into institutions are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to
be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation." - Pat Robertson
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/

These aren't simply groups and people who are on the fringe. Bush listens to these maniacs!
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:59 AM
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1. He can't even get that right
Termites don't build things? What's this then - scotch mist?

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dummy-du1 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:14 AM
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14. That's just a theory
I guess it's written somewhere in the bible, that termites don't build things. So it must be true!

And this Building Theory has lots of holes in it. These termite mounds are far too complex to be built by stupid little insects. Their existence is therefore a proof for godly intervention, and Buildingism is just another atheistic plot against the one true faith of Christianity.
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LiberalinNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:01 AM
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2. These are the same folks who call themselves "Christlike"...
Give me a break...these are also the ones who bomb abortion clinics and feel justified in murdering the doctors who perform abortions.

The more I think about it, the more I think Jesus was/is a democrat!

They are just a bunch of sickos!
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rqstnnlitnmnt Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:03 AM
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3. correction...closet-case sickos n/t
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firebee Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:45 PM
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28. They are in for a rude awakening
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 12:49 PM by firebee
The one unforgivable sin is using the lord's name in vain and by that, I don't mean saying "God Dammit" or "Jesus Christ". By this... I mean people who use God, Allah, Jah or whatever you'd like to call the divine entitiy as a destructive weapon against other people aren't forgiven for using the divine entity as a weapon against other people. Also, Forgiveness can't come to those who don't hold themselves accountable or take responsibility for their sins. Contrary to popular belief... the sacrifice of a messiah isn't a get out of jail free card for us.

Besides... How is Christ going to return if he's continuously dying for our sins? Personally, I don't think it's fair for me to pawn off my judgement on another man, regardless if the man is a messiah or not. I, myself, choose to face judgement based on my own actions.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:03 AM
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4. Jimmy Swaggart threatened to kill gays
A few months ago Jimmy Swaggart said he would kill a gay man if he ever looked at him:

http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/09/092004swaggart.htm

"I'm trying to find the correct name for it ... this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. ... I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died."
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:17 AM
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15. He must have done a queen or two when he was doing N.O. prostitutes
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 10:18 AM by The Flaming Red Head
I mean just the law of averages says he must have picked up at least one of the girls on an odd night and decided not to kick her out of bed just because she had testicles.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:40 AM
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22. I'd say the odds of ANYONE "looking at him like that" are astronomically
small! :P
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:07 AM
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5. Well they want half of us to jump off the edge or the world anyhow.
I just learned some thing this week -end. Local public school does not talk of Darwin. Seems it made to many parents up set. Course the school this kid was in said the world was 10,000 years old and God made it in one week. I think the right wing nut cases are winning. At this rate we will be a third world country in no time.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:12 AM
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6. He didn't even get that right!
According to his version, God didn't make the world in one week. He did it in six days, and put His feet up on the seventh.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:38 AM
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7. Right on --6 days then rest.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:41 AM
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9. That old chestnut always cracks me up..................
the world is only ten thousand years old. What an utter disregard for Science. These people would rather believe than think. Rather than do a little research and try to learn the origins of life on this planet, they'd rather put all of their faith, blindly, into a book written by men, translated numerous times, each time losing some of it's original translation. That's it, no thinking involved. Pretty easy for them. A great angry father figure in the sky is going to punish us if we don't sing his praises 24/7. You'll burn in a great fiery pit eternally if you're bad. :eyes: What morons. Total intellectual shutdown.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:39 AM
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8. Fundie Christians are such liars.
First, termites build huge mounds, as someone showed in a picture above.
Almost none of our Founders were Christians. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, and most of the rest were diests. At one time Franklin was an outright atheist, who later converted to a vague sort of Deism. He mocked a belief in the divinity of Jesus from his deathbed, though he said he would soon know for sure, so he wasn't really worried about trying to figure it out. It was commonly claimed in the 1800s that none of our first six or so presidents were Christians, and in the mid 1800s Christians used this as a reason to put "In God We Trust" on coins. They argued that if America fell right then, historians would never know it had become a Christian nation, since none of our Founders were Christians.

Christians have always rewritten history to claim that great figures were fellow believers, and favored them. Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity, and Christians now claim he was a Christian, against all evidence to the contrary. They claim Darwin converted on his death bed. They claim John Wayne became a Christian just before his death. None of those are true. They try to claim now that George Washington was a Christian because he belonged to a church, and ignore the tiny detail that Washington never mentioned Jesus or Christ, and that his own minister told people several times that Washington was a Deist. Washington used the terminology of Deists, talking about "Divine Providence" instead of God or Jesus or Christ or any Christian terminology.

I believe that these right-wing Christians are so shaky in their beliefs that they have to lie to steady their faiths. They convert dead people, they fight off any challenge to their belief, they threaten gays, etc, because they are full of doubt, and can only fight that doubt by fighting others who challenge their beliefs. Typical transference.

I should say I know a lot of sincere Christians who are truly better people because of their beliefs, and that Christianity itself is maybe the most beautiful religion ever preached. But sadly, sincere Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus are far fewer than these cult-worshipping fundies who killed America.
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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:47 AM
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10.  Excellent Post.
Especially this:

"I believe that these right-wing Christians are so shaky in their beliefs that they have to lie to steady their faiths. They convert dead people, they fight off any challenge to their belief, they threaten gays, etc, because they are full of doubt, and can only fight that doubt by fighting others who challenge their beliefs. Typical transference."

Many Christians say they're Christians simply because they don't want to go to Hell. Quite selfish, in my opinion.
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:13 AM
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13. 100% agree
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:28 AM
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16. Exactly. You can tell by the bumper stickers
The ones that talk about the Rapture or that say "If you don't believe in God, you'd better be right." They don't care about any god they pretend to worship, they are just hedging their bets.
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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:37 AM
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19. Notice how the cars with fishes are the ones who cut you off...
or shoot you the finger? Back in the days when I traveled 35 miles through city traffic to get to work I took a survey for amusement. Seriously, 8 out of 10 mean drivers had fishes or "God Listens" bumper stickers.

I'd always shout "God saw that!"

Good times...

:smoke:
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 01:19 PM
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32. YES!
I have complained about the same thing. Usually, these offensives are contained in mini-vans.

Recently, I passed a mile long line of traffic waiting to turn left, and I noticed a van with plenty of Jesus stickers on it. There was about 2 car lengths of space ahead of his vehicle, so I stopped, put 'er in reverse, and parallel parked in the spot in front of him.

He was furious. He slammed his hands on the wheel then raised them up towards the sky. I stuck my head out the window and said "God Bless You for saving this spot for me" My comment did not soothe his rage.

Until then, I had no intention of turning left. I had to go about 4 miles out of my way to get back to where I was headed. Oh, and Yes ...

He did flash the symbol of his IQ as he passed in a cloud of blue smoke. I thought .... How precious ..... He is trying to communicate.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 01:54 PM
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33. I've certainly noticed that before. But then, here in Texas...
half the cars you see have some religious thing going on, like the little piss-on-Ford dude praying before a cross.... that one really annoys me, not so much for the proselytizing aspect, but because these fundies are always stealing someone else's culture and claiming it for themselves. Christmas, Easter, the entire Old Testament, the cross, a triunal god with a murdered son who rises from the dead, marriage, America, and now piss-on-Ford guy, all stolen from other religions or cultures. Grrrr!!!! Go build something of your own!

Alright, it's alright, I'm better now.
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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:25 PM
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45. I live North of Houston, so I'm hip to your trip.
Jesus stickers, yellow ribbons and flags abound on mini-vans or giant SUVs.

It's turning me off to God, troops and USA. Sensory overload or something.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 02:08 PM
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36. Good post
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into institutions are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to
be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation." - Pat Robertson

This guy is calling for the destruction of all things non-Christian.

:: plays "He's an A$$hole" ::
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 02:50 PM
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37. Remember when the Taliban
blew up the four Buddha statues in Afghanistan, in 2001?

Same guy, different names.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:12 PM
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43. "Great builders of our nation were Xian?" Bwah!
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 03:13 PM by onager
Well, one of our greatest inventors sure wasn't--the man who "built" a lot of the modern world we enjoy so much.

Thomas Edison was a militant agnostic, if not an outright atheist.

Edison referred to religion as "bunk" and "damned nonsense," and said it should never be taught in American public schools.

He gave a newspaper interview (in the NY TIMES) so anti-religious that the stockholders in his company got worried. His biographer Wyn Wachhhorst wrote: "Edison rejected three fundamental tenets of Christianity: the divinity of Christ, a personal God, and immortality."

In 1898, when President McKinley publicly thanked God for helping him win the Spanish-American War, Edison wrote to his second wife, Mina: "But the same God gave us yellow fever, and to be consistent McKinley ought to have thanked him for that also."

Unfortunately, Mina was a devout Methodist, which caused some problems until the Edisons finally just agreed they would disagree about religion.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:41 AM
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49. The "we are a Christian Nation" idea annoys me.
I am sick of hearing that "our nations laws were based on the 10 commandments" Oh really?

Is it illegal to place another god above the Jewish god?
Is it illegal make a graven image?
Is it illegal to take the lord's name in vain?
Is it illegal to forget the sabbath?
Is it illegal to refuse to honor your mother or father?
Is it illegal to commit adultery?
Is it illegal to covet another mans wife, or his possessions?

So, 70% of the 10 commandments are not laws of our nation.
What about the other 30%?

Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness

First of all, I can think of no governments who do not have these laws. Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, or secular. Why do these common sense laws bear the Christian mark?

So, 70% are not applied, and 30% are universal laws practiced by nations of all religious faiths. And this is proof that "our nations laws were based on the 10 commandments?" Only church folks would be gullible enough to swallow this argument.

Now, lets consider the 30% of the commandments that actually are laws, and apply their principles to the war in Iraq.

Thou shalt not kill. oh its OK, they are not white and do not believe in Jesus

Thou shalt not steal. oh, we are liberating them, not stealing their mineral wealth.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Weapons of mass destruction. Imminent threat. Justified pre-emptive strike, Iraq funded Al-Queda.

hmmm, The Christians wanted this war with Iraq, and have violated the only 30% of the precious 10 commandments contained in "our nations laws" in the process.



<<<I believe that these right-wing Christians are so shaky in their beliefs that they have to lie to steady their faiths.>>>
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:03 AM
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11. I'm not sure he actually believes these loons, but he
sure does use them to win elections and they are to blind to see this. Anyone who starts illegal wars and believes that, while people on death row may be "thugs" to use his word, they are still human and don't deserve to be put to death by man cannot call themselves a Christian. I think he is just using these "morans"
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:30 AM
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17. Bush is no believer
He's too smug. He's using fundies just like he uses everyone else. The only thing Bush believes in is that he'll have another beer.

There's a passage somewhere in the New Testament that I'm too lazy to look up that claims that in the final days there will be false Christians who will lead even the elect astray. Quote that to a few Fundies, watch them sputter.
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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:39 AM
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21. Someone told me that God picks our leaders...
I told him that God sucks at that, considering all the despots in the world.

Shut him up!:evilgrin:
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:44 AM
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23. I don't think God cares who our leaders are.
I also don't think that he cares which color state you are from. He has more important things worry about. This of course is just my opinion.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 01:59 PM
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34. Of course not, he's too busy playing offense for Kurt Warner's team
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:44 AM
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24. Yeah, he's using them.
But I don't know if some of them care about that or not. Their lust for power and control over others tops everything else. Where else in life will people like this be fawned over? They're sure as hell not going to start voting for Democrats.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:06 AM
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12. "godly fumigation"
{quote]the time has arrived for a godly fumigation." - Pat Robertson

So who is he going to breath on?
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:00 PM
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38. Sounds like a gas chamber to me. n/t
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:37 AM
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18. This is the same group of people that celebrated Matthew Shepherd's murder
And in anything but a silent manner.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:26 PM
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26. I met that asshole "rev phelps"
He came to our town about the time nationally organized racial hatred, and "families first" type groups began to establish their presence here. Incidentally, one of the first "suspect groups" to open headquarters was an outfit called "freedom ministries"

phelps was in town to support an amendment to the city charter that would have made discrimination legal. The funding and legal assistance for this effort came from several out of town, and out of state groups; all of which flew the Christian banner.

While he, and a minion of his demons held bizarre signs, I asked him if it was true that he and others disrupted Mathew Shepard's funeral by threatening and condemning all those who went there to attend. He said it was, and began fluctuating some incoherent series of biblical quotes. I interrupted and told him that he was nothing more than a common asshole which was full of shit.

He lunged, and tried to attack. I was immediately surrounded by strangers and pulled back into the crowd of folks who were there to protest his dumb ass.

I cannot imagine a case where non-christians would gather at a religious bigots funeral and intentionally disturb those who were there to pay respects.

Evidently, those gawdly acts are reserved for the christian missionaries.

Other congregations were attacked the following Sunday by protestors supporting phelps. They held signs of stick figures having sex, and verbally attacked folks who were trying to go to church. Despite that, the Christian community in our town was almost completely silent about the issue.

I cannot begin to fathom the animus of these folks.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:29 PM
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48. I wonder how the non-thinking followers would react if it were one of them
If, say, Fred Phelps or Jerry Falwell met their end in a violent fashion, I do wonder what the backlash would be.

But let me be very, very clear on this one thing: in no way should my comment be considered to be in approval of violence, no matter how vile the target may be.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:38 AM
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20. Pat Robertson is angry at himself for his homosexual fantasies.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:52 AM
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25. conservative christians are evil.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:32 PM
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27. Have a look at this
You will need a broadband connection to view this documentary about the religious right.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/av/liberty.wmv

Also, what about the "Armies of God?" They have actually murdered healt care professionals.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:55 PM
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29. I agree with this guy...
My last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of September 11th 2001, followed by the "National Day of Prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous Martin Luther King impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.-- Richard Dawkins, The Devil's Chaplain (2004)

Now I'll just sit back and wait for the usual bleatings of the Christophiles and supernaturalists: the whole problem is simply that the Religious Reich is not made up of "real Christians."

If they were "real Xians," of course, they'd be good liberals. And some glorious morning they'll all convert...probably about the same time I find myself in Paradise with 72 virgins.



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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 01:07 PM
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31. I liked the quote
by Richard Dawkins you attached.

I have to agree on another point as well. Jesus would have been a liberal at the very least, and would likely be considered a communist by his followers today considering the recent sharp slant to the right.

I believe that he would have loathed conservative and patriotic fundamentalism.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:35 PM
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47. I LOVE Dawkins. He is as subtle as a bazooka. Tells it like it is. (nt)
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:59 PM
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30. They're all raving lunatics
And yet somehow they are considered "men of God" yet when people say the same thing and they aren't Christian they are called "dangerous."

Welcome to America.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 02:00 PM
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35. The Bible also says we should stone to death unruly children
The Good Book says a lot of things, really.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:00 PM
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39. Faith-Based Bigotry & Homophobia Is Bigger Than Most DUers Will Admit To
... and attempts to point it out and defend ourselves are met with WAILS that all of Christianity itself is being assaulted, and that those who stand up for their FUCKING RIGHT TO EXIST are painted as being anti-Christian.

ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:05 PM
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40. I'm with you Allen
"godly fumigation"

The fuckhead makes me ill.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:08 PM
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41. Boy are you right about that!
This became painfully obvious the hours following the election. Then, it was revived by a recent death of a homophobe. We are expected to follow their rules of "turn the other cheek" but, they don't even do that! The only good thing, is that I have seen some posters' true colors (for good or bad)!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:10 PM
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42. And you got THAT right!
nt
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:17 PM
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44. And if you believe Jesus was a liberal...
Spend a few minutes at this site:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Clicking on "Family Values" is a good place to start.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 03:30 PM
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46. Consider yourself nominated
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