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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:34 PM
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The war was an act of naked aggression...
It was unnecessary. It was called "preemptive". It was a mistake of the most massive proportion.

George W Bush and his Cabinet of sycophants lied to Congress and the American people. The Congress, historically spineless in this instance, offered little resistance, except for an elderly Senator from West Virgina.

Now our troops are being blown to bits and they cannot find a way out. As corpses rot in the street and dogs feast on their flesh, they criticize the press for not showing the "good" things that are happening in that country. There is nothing good happening in Iraq.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:17 PM
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1. bush is a mad dog killer.
He lied to get the troops in Iraq and he'll probably do the same thing when he wants to expand his war into Syria or Iran or ??

Fallujah is destroyed -- nice Xmas present to the Iraqi people.

The US media might be able to fool most of the citizens of the US -- but the Iraqis cannot be fooled. And neither can most of the world -- the vast majority of the world is pissed at bush -- he is without a doubt the most hated person in the world -- probably in the history of the world -- thanks to T.V., Radio and the Internet and word of mouth.

Yet in the US -- the media still has not revealed to their audience the havoc that the spoiled frat boy has brought to Iraq --

What happens when some brave person produces a virtual tour of Fallujah -- with photos and descriptions of what Fallujah was like BEFORE the Americans can, saw and destroyed.

And it won't be long before some brave movie maker gets into Fallujah to document the extent of the destruction.

Someone listed cities with similar sized populations -- St. Louis was on the list -- I can't imagine that city being ordered to evacuate and then to have their homes either looted or bombed of everything of any importance to the people. Plus males of combat age are not allowed to leave and then anyone who remains is considered a target.

There is a lot of justifiable anger in Iraq -- the US is get the Hell out and let the International community try to pick up the pieces.

But bush will hold on the the Iraqi oil fields -- even though his actions may cause millions of deaths.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:19 PM
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2. Not only was it a mistake, it was wicked and evil. "Mistake" implies
a simple error of judgement, like investing in the wrong stock that depreciates. It most certainly was that, but it was an immoral act, and the immorality only magnifies over time, as increasing acts of torture and genocide will reflect if our involvement continues.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:48 PM
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4. True.
:(
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:08 AM
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20. Erasers are made for mistakes. Prisons are made for atrocities.
May they rot soon in Hell.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:21 PM
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3. Yes
Yes, it was...

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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:51 PM
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18. What an awesome fish eatin emblem
I need one of those for my car.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:19 AM
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19. They're on-line. Google "Reality Bites" fish.
I got one for my car the other day.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:58 PM
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5. Invasion of a sovereign nation to depose their ruler
...wonder what would happen if anyone thought of doing that to us? GWB is a fool and a madman. A very dangerous combination.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:15 PM
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7. Exactly. And you know what they say about a fool and our money...
:-(
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:28 PM
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9. Exactly !!
I have to admit I am still so amazingly puzzled by the people who voted for him. Reasonable, educated people who have NO problem with the war, which I have to remind them, was an invasion.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:14 PM
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6. Buyeah.... n/t
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:25 PM
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8. This the truth that 50%
of US citizens refuse to acknowledge. Every nation has had it's Neros.
It must have been our turn.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:37 PM
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10. Best thing I can think of is greatly enhanced Halliburton profitability
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:51 PM
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11. Indeed. And some "Dems" support it, may it be to their eternal shame.
NT!

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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:08 PM
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12. Like Tojo was hanged for 56 years ago yesterday.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:42 PM
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13. Nuremberg Tribunals: Aggressive War Is A Crime
Statement by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor
at the Nuremberg Tribunals
August 12, 1945
on War Trials Agreement; August 12, 1945

There are some things I would like to say, particularly to the American people, about the agreement we have just signed.
For the first time, four of the most powerful nations have agreed not only upon the principles of liability for war crimes of persecution, but also upon the principle of individual responsibility for the crime of attacking the international peace.

Repeatedly, nations have united in abstract declarations that the launching of aggressive war is illegal. They have condemned it by treaty. But now we have the concrete application of these abstractions in a way which ought to make clear to the world that those who lead their nations into aggressive war face individual accountability for such acts.
<snip>

"We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which
their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the
war, but that they started it. And we must not allow
ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war,
for our position is that no grievances or policies will
justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced
and condemned as an instrument of policy."

<snip>

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor
at the Nuremberg Tribunals
August 12, 1945

READ THE ENTIRE STATEMENT HERE:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/jack02.htm

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Marjorie Cohn | Aggressive War: Supreme International Crime
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110904A.shtml

Associate United States Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson was the chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg Tribunal. In his report to the State Department, Justice Jackson wrote: "No political or economic situation can justify" the crime of aggression. He also said: "If certain acts in violation of treaties are crimes they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us."

Between 10,000 and 15,000 U.S. troops with warplanes and artillery have begun to invade the Iraqi city of Fallujah. To "soften up" the rebels, American forces dropped five 500-pound bombs on "insurgent targets." The Americans destroyed the Nazzal Emergency Hospital in the center of town. They stormed and occupied the Fallujah General Hospital, and have not agreed to allow doctors and ambulances go inside the main part of the city to help the wounded, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions.
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the denial of water to Iraqi civilians = Article 14 war crime

http://www.casi.org.uk/briefings-new.html

Denial of Water to Iraqi Cities
Water supplies to Tall Afar, Samarra and Fallujah were cut off during US attacks during the past two months, affecting up to 750,000 civilians. This appears to form part of a deliberate US policy of denying water to the residents of cities under attack. If so, it has been adopted without a public debate, and without consulting Coalition partners. It is a serious breach of international humanitarian law, and is deepening Iraqi opposition to the United States, other coalition members, and the Iraqi government.

This briefing outlines the evidence for the denial of water to Iraqi civilians, discusses stated justifications for these tactics, and analyses some of the implications. It calls for the immediate cessation of this tactic, which causes severe and undue suffering to civilians under attack.

Read the full briefing: "DENIAL OF WATER TO IRAQI CITIES"

http://www.casi.org.uk/briefings-new.html
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From Vietnam to Fallujah

by Fran Schor
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=51&ItemID=6217

The recent controversy surrounding the "Swift Boat Veterans" ad challenging John Kerry's Vietnam record and his later statements as a leader of Vietnam Veterans against the War (VVAW) have fallen into predictable partisan perspectives. Republicans and their media attack machine still insist that Kerry's medals are suspect and his VVAW activities were treasonous. Kerry and the Democrats, in turn, have found further documentary evidence and eye-witness accounts to support his version of the Vietnam incidents. As far as Kerry's 1971 testimony about US atrocities in Vietnam, Kerry has reiterated that he was just recounting reports from the Winter Soldier Investigations. In addition, he tried earlier to deflect criticism of his VVAW positions by claiming that some of his statements were overzealous and part of the heated rhetoric of the times. In effect, the Bush Administration and Republicans have tried to deny that atrocities took place while Kerry and the Democrats have tried to minimize or marginalize them.

For those who have studied the historical record of the US prosecution of the war in Southeast Asia, neither the Republicans nor Democrats have confronted the full measure of those atrocities and what their legacy is especially in the war on Iraq. While most studies of the war in Southeast Asia acknowledge that 4 times the tonnage of bombs was dropped on Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos than that used by the US in all theaters of operation during World War II, only a few, such as James William Gibson's The Perfect War: Technowar in Vietnam, analyze the full extent of such bombing. Not only were thousands of villages in Vietnam totally destroyed, but massive civilian deaths, numbering close to 3 million, resulted in large part from such indiscriminate bombing. Integral to the bombing strategy was the use of weapons that violated international law, such as napalm and anti-personnel fragmentation bombs. As a result of establishing free-fire zones where anything and everything could be attacked, including hospitals, US military operations led to the deliberate murder of mostly civilians.

While Rumsfeld and the Pentagon have touted the "clean" weapons used in Iraq, the fact is that aerial cluster bombs and free-fire zones have continued to be part of present day military operations. Villages throughout Iraq, from Hilla to Fallujah, have borne and are bearing US attacks that take a heavy civilian toll. Occasionally, criticisms of the type of ordnance used in Iraq found its way into the mainstream press, especially when left-over cluster bomblets looking like yellow food packages blow up in children's hands or depleted uranium weapons are dropped inadvertently on British soldiers. However, questions about the immorality of "shock and awe" bombing strategy have been buried deeper than any of the cluster bomblets.

In Vietnam, a primary ground war tactic was the "search and destroy" mission with its over-inflated body counts. As Christian Appy forcefully demonstrated in Working Class War: American Combat Soldiers and Vietnam, such tactics were guaranteed to produce atrocities. Any revealing personal account of the war in Vietnam, such as Ron Kovic's Born on the Fourth of July, underscores how those atrocities took their toll on civilians and US soldiers, like Kovic. Of course, certain high-profile atrocities, such as My Lai, achieved prominent media coverage (almost, however, a year after the incident.) Nonetheless, My Lai was seen either as an aberration and not part of murderous campaigns such as the Phoenix program with its thousands of assassinations or a result of a few bad apples, like a Lt. Calley, who nonetheless received minor punishment for his command of the massacre of hundreds of women and children. Moreover, as reported in Tom Engelhardt's The End of Victory Culture, "65% of Americans claimed not to be upset by the massacre" (224). Is it, therefore, not surprising that Noam Chomsky asserted during this period that the US had to undergo some sort of de- nazification in order to regain some moral sensitivity to what US war policy had produced in Vietnam

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The Unthinkable Becomes Normal (November 15, 2004)
Mainstream media trivialize atrocities such as the slaughter in Fallujah by describing attacks on houses, mosques and innocent civilians as "successful operations against insurgents." John Pilger warns that we must not let the media "normalize the unthinkable," and that we should question the hidden agendas of "democratic governments." (New Statesman)
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/media/2004/1115normal.htm



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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:17 PM
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14. It was not "naked" aggression, avers John Ashcroft.
It was modestly dressed, decently clothed, morally upright aggression.

;-)B-)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:31 PM
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15. an American disgrace
nt
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:37 PM
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16. The most impeachable offenses
of modern times, perhaps in all of U.S. history. (That we know of!)
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:48 PM
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17. You are absolutely right. This election should have been focused on that
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 07:50 PM by wiggle-room
instead of what happened thirty years ago.

Anything else done by this gang of effin thugs pales in comparison. The war should have been THE issue. The other half would turn away from bush and his greedy little bloodbath in disgust.

The sensless slaughter of other people who are no threat to us, the blood flowing on both sides, escalating, with no justification, absolutely none.

To be fair to the Congress, tho, I think some House members fought against invading Iraq.
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