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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:09 PM
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New SAT Questions Replace Evolution with Creation

WATCHING AMERICA CHANGE

http://swiftreport.blogs.com/news/2004/12/new_sat_questio.html#more


Students attending school in districts that have phased out the teaching of evolution will no longer be forced to answer SAT questions about the controversial theory. Instead, they'll answer questions about the six days in which God created the earth and the great flood that took place 4,300 years ago.
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Officials from the College Board, the nonprofit entity that administers the Scholastic Aptitude Test or SAT, have announced that they are producing a new version of the test for students who live in school districts where creationism rather than evolution is taught in science classes.

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The revision, says College Board spokesman Lester McCue, is a reflection of the changing nature of science content being taught in high schools around the country. "The SAT has to keep up with these changes or risk being left behind. We can't test kids on material that they are not being taught," says McCue. "In the past, we've evaluated students' ability to comprehend passages about historical scientific events, and while we'll continue to do that, the test now assumes that the world is 6,000 years old as opposed to hundreds of millions of years old."

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Testing students on the Truth
"This is exactly what we've been fighting for," says parent Marla DeVries, who has been working with other Cobb County parents to replace atheistic science education in the schools with an approach that credits the role of the Creator. "It doesn't make sense for our kids to have to be tested on something that they don't believe. Would you have them read a passage and answer questions about Santa Claus? I don't think so."
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watching america change
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:11 PM
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1. Yikes.
So where is the division between Church and State???
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:12 PM
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2. Will the SAT ask: "What is Santa's breaking and entering MO?"
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 01:12 PM by tk2kewl
:shrug:
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:12 PM
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3. Is this from the Onion or is this for real?
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:12 PM
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4. "It doesn't make sense for our kids to have to be tested on something that
they don't believe. "


AND SHE DOESN'T SEE THE IRONY!!!

You couldn't make this stuff up.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:13 PM
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6. I don't believe junior was ever president.
can we leave that off of the history tests in the future?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:12 PM
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5. This isn't a joke, is it?
Remind me to stick with doctors educated in India from now on!
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:13 PM
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7. Is this a joke? n/t
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:16 PM
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8. Well then this test should only be valid for people attending
fundy colleges. For nothing else would it make any sense. And their college degrees should come with an asterisk - to note that it is not reality-based.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:17 PM
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9. that's a joke, right?
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 01:18 PM by enki23
what SAT questions are they talking about? the general test doesn't include science. that's the ACT. are they talking about adding questions to the reading comprehension test which reference biblical creation? while irritating, that wouldn't really be a big deal. though stupid, it isn't about testing whether you understand creationism (or evolution.) it's testing whether you can understand what you read.

(in that respect, wouldn't it be better to make the well-educated kids try to decipher some religious mumbo-jumbo, and make the idiots have to wallow through the thoroughly-unfamiliar territory of reason and science?)

but... does the SAT have subject tests, like the GRE? it's been too long, and i don't remember.
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ChairOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:18 PM
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10. I *would* say it was a hoax....
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 01:19 PM by ChairOne
.... except that means I'd have to put my faith in the intellectual ability and honesty of rural America, which Nov 2nd taught me to never do.....
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:22 PM
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14. Test what you teach! This is the logical outcome of teaching creationism
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 01:27 PM by billbuckhead
Soon they'll go after the testing. Scary huh? I posted before I read the article. I was guessing this was in Cobb County, Georgia. This was Bob Barr's old stomping ground.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:19 PM
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11. This is a joke right???
c'mon you gotta be posting a parody website, because this is too "out there" to be believed!!! Won't someone tell these fucking fundies that once they are in an accredited college (aka not Bob Jones University) the only talk about creationism will be in Religious theory/philosophy classes, and if they show up in a biology class with that crazy notion they will be laughed out of town!

I had an Anatomy professor once (and I'm not even sure why it came up) who said. "I'm a Christian, I believe in God, I go to church every Sunday...but dammit I know that evolution exists. With all that science now knows you would have to be crazy to think otherwise." Needless to say she became one of my favorite professors from there on out!
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:20 PM
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12. It is so sad that we can't tell if this is a joke or not.
That's how fucking pathetic this country has gotten intellectually.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:22 PM
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13. I was thinking the same thing
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:27 PM
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16. well, as the SAT doesn't test on science
only math and language skills these questions would be relegated to the reading section only...so my guess...HOAX...look at the source...a blog...noting on the College Board site at all...

theProdigal
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:31 PM
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20. SAT 2
The SAT 2, which is similar to ACT, does test on subject matter, i.e., Science for one.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:38 PM
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maybe i misread...
but this would seem to contradict your statement...is there more to the new SAT than this that the College Board website is not telling us about? I honestly don't know...

http://www.collegeboard.com/newsat/press/factsheet.html

theProdigal
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:18 PM
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25. OMG, you're right....that is the real tragedy here. n/t
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:27 PM
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15. clearly satire
n/t
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:39 PM
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23. And well done.
--IMM
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:28 PM
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17. Bible?
Does the Koran say the world was created in 7 days? Do the Buddhist or Hindu religions teach precisely the same? Hello, CHRISTIAN Theocracy.

I went to school back in the "good old" days of the 50s and 60s; 12 years of CATHOLIC school. I WAS taught evolution. Of course, they didn't believe in the LITERAL interpretation of the Bible (as the current Fundies do), so they said, "What is 7 days in God's time? Could have been 7 millennium." They also said that it was written in the context of who was reading it. People at the time of the Bible would never have grasped the idea of a millennium, much less the concept of the evolution of a species. We were also taught that humans DID evolve from lower forms of life, but they said once "god" decided to put a soul into that life form, even an ape, it was no longer an ape. Basically, the teaching was that God CREATED EVOLUTION.

I suppose the Fundies would be HORRIFIED at all this. Yet, they want THEIR form of Christianity taught in PUBLIC SCHOOLS? THAT is why we need to keep all this OUT of the public schools. If a parent wants their kids to learn Creation/RELIGION, let them send them to a RELIGIOUS SCHOOL, one of their OWN RELIGION.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:38 PM
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22. When I was in Catholic school I learned the same thing...
God flipped on the switch and let the universe do the rest of the work...kind of like Aristotle's "first cause".

People need to understand, that in order to read the bible, one must read it from a perspective of a person living in that time period. You can't give a 5000 year old document a 21st century context. The same with reading any other historical literature with a 21st century mind set. People forget that back then we thought the sun revolved around the earth, and the concept of earth was the area around the fertile crescent. Any respectable biblical scholar will tell you that the bible was a product of human authorship, and humans back then don't know what we* know today.

*and by we I mean thinking people
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:30 PM
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18. Presenting the all-new FSAT
Faith-based Scholastic Aptitude Test.

Math: True or False: Father + Son + Holy Ghost = 3.

English: Which usage is correct?
a) You shouldn't
b) Thou shall not
c) Thou shalt not

Political Science: Who is the Devil?
a) Osama bin Laden
b) John Kerry
c) Dan Rather
d) All of the above

Phys. Ed.: Walk across the swimming pool in less than 90 sec. Do not immerse your ankles.

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IHeart1993 Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:31 PM
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19. Okay, this frightens me.
I want to teach General Biology. Oh, great! Paleontologists everywhere just had a minor stroke.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:34 PM
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21. I assume this is a spoof
There's no info anywhere on the web about it, and the questions themselves--althought they look like an SAT format-- are too weird to actually be for a real test (I also can't find a "Lester McCue" listed anywhere for CB).

But it's funny/scary just the same....
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:39 PM
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24. It's a satire site.
Read the rest of it.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:39 PM
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27. Yes, it is definitely a satire site.
I was fooled at first because it seemed so serious. Erase everything up to the dot.com and then hit return. It wil take you to the home page.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:23 PM
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26. Well, this proves it
Our country has gone to hell. Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition.
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:47 PM
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28. Unbelievable!
"It doesn't make sense for our kids to have to be tested on something that they don't believe. Would you have them read a passage and answer questions about Santa Claus? I don't think so."


The thing is, because Santa Claus is universal in our culture, most kids could answer a question about him.

In an agnostic or atheist (or apathetic household), the child is never going to learn about the six days of creation . . . and an agnostic or atheist parent is likely to keep their child out of such classes at school.

I have a neighbor who is going to Home School his daughter and she is unlikely to learn about either evolution or creation. :cry:
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:25 PM
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29. This is like changing the exit polls to match the false vote results.
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 03:29 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
Or turning the clock of progress back to the 1920s on the way to the 1850s.

My response for the day that I'm posting in many related threads-

I hope this makes sense to the many new DU-ers who are only just starting to try and understand why so many good people embrace terrible things and call it 'morality' and what to do about it.

Psychology is the most important tool for understanding how we got into this mess and why.

Left, Right, Center comprise a FALSE VOCABULARY TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE
OF KILLING PEOPLE FOR MONEY.

Some people get the scam and some don't and enable it creating a very confused American public
1) Those who kill people for money and hide the evidence
2) Those who don't and fight to expose the evidence

This polarity of awareness within the two main political parties alienates some who choose to sit between murder and justice and call this 'Centrism.' But denying justice is not moderation, it is STILL INJUSTICE.

"Because I don't trust the 'radical fringe' who want to either
1) throw all the Jews in the oven (right wing)
OR
2) throw none of the Jews in the oven." (left wing)

"Yes, all things in moderation. So the right answer is in the middle.See? Politics is all about...compromise.
-Compromising your values." (DLC/DNC)

The Tactic We Must Deal With Or Die:
Psy-ops culture war tactics of Orwellification-
'Weaponize the good, demonize the outraged liberals who protest this.'

This is the way the domestic culture war (psy-ops propaganda to intentionally stir people up and chill dissent) works:

Take something, like the US government, do terrible things with it.

Then, when liberals criticize the terrible things, claim they are criticizing the good part and so 'liberals must be bad.'

"They hate us for our freedom."
"They are jealous of our virtue because they are sooooo bad."
Amazingly, this really resonates in A MASTER RACE MENTALITY!

OR:

Neo-cons put a baby in hot water.
Liberals accuse them of abuse.
Neo-cons claim that 'liberals hate babies.'

Christmas has been weaponized the exact same way.

Neo-cons use religion to kill people with the New Crusades.
Liberals cite First Amendment separation of church and state.
Neo-cons claim that 'liberals hate God, Jesus, Santa, etc.'

Neo-cons use our children as troops to kill for oil.
Liberals scream bloody murder.
Neo-cons claim 'liberals hate our troops.'

That last one is the most dangerous because it will lead to a Tienanmin Square situation where our own troops will be called in to stomp on 'enemies of the state' or PROTESTERS.
http://museums.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html
(Photos of Tienanmin Square Massacre of Protesters)

The Inaugaral parade will see Bush* literally hiding behind our troops so that the hostility of the protesters will be used to claim that liberals are against the troops 'just like the Fallujan insurgents.'

Unh-oh. Orwellification of 'save our troops from war' into 'kill our troops by not supporting the war.'

January 20, 2005 is the next big psy-op event to create a Brown Shirt movement in this heavily armed and polarized country.

SO...

Re-Orwellification OR Flipping the Polarity on Evil Back to Good:

The Master Race mentality of American Exceptionalism Saving the World and the Christian-Inanity of being the wrathful smiting 'Chosen Few' are the binary agents of American Fascism.

There's no time to back up 358 degrees to explain to the public how the democratic humanity of 'We the People'+'All God's Children' has been perverted into American fascist 'Divine King Stomping out Satanic Infidels.'

SO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE! CHANNEL THE PASSION FOR VENGEANCE INTO
A PASSION FOR JUSTICE! People WANT to be part of a dramatic movement in their lives which TV has turned into a movie script starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Indiana Jones, and Mel Gibson fighting evil.

Fight propaganda with...PROPER-GANDA!!!
I recommend pushing forward just 2 degrees USING those so so deeply entrenched-through-propaganda attitudes with a campaign of renewed reverence for

1) The Bill of Rights and US Constitution
2) Jesus' teachings about caring for the poor and needy.

These are the tenets of The American Revolution AND Jesus Christ AND liberalism!!

We must flip the polarity of these ideas back to caring for ALL people instead of Republican Eugenics that justifies death by both poverty and war as being necessary 'collateral damage' for the greater good of the herd.

on edit: Satire or not, this is still relevant.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:27 PM
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30. heard the other day, only 35% of americans beleive in evolution
wtf!
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 03:30 PM
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31. National Geographic (11/2004) should be required reading...
The cover was titled, Was Darwin Wrong . The answer, of course, is NO . Great read.
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:05 PM
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32. the lights are going out everywhere
Goodbye age of enlightenment - hello age of darkness....
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