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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:24 PM
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Do you have a lot of rw fundies with in-your-face christmas displays
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 06:26 PM by The_Casual_Observer
this year? Really mean spirited aggressive ones with huge "merry christmas" lightups? I used to like decorations, but now it looks like some kind of fucked up threat I'll show you deal. I feel like shorting the fucking wires.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:27 PM
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1. I never like Christmas displays
but the one I find most disturbing is the one at the Boone Co (AR) courthouse, which features a big American flag as well as toy soldiers and snowmen.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:23 AM
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34. We have one down the street from us that sounds similar.
Some guy has put a giant light display in the form of an American flag across the front of his house and all the shrubbery in the yard is decorated in red, white, and blue. Then there's the creche. It's like someone tried to smash the 4th of July and Christmas into the same day. If we get fireworks on Christmas eve, I'm going to be really freaked.
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rolltide2005 Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:28 PM
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2. ok wait a minute
how in the hell is "Merry Christmas" mean-spirited? I mean come on now.

It's not like they have 50 ft blow up * dolls with Bush is Lord on them and shit like that.


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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:16 PM
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29. I think that what the poster means
is that this year, the content seems to be more religious in content. More creches and fewer Santas or elved. There always have been huge light and ornament displays. But it looks like that this year the preachers -not just the fundie ones either - have put the message out: rub their noses in it.

At least where I live.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:51 AM
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37. there IS something going on right now that is different than usual
I have seen what you mean, and I do think that "the message has been put out".

Both the right-wing fundies - and the secular left wingers - are being goaded into a fight about Christmas. It's a perfect distraction from the economy and the war. You'll see fundies with huge decorations purposefully tweaked in such a way to goad over-sensitive liberals into some sort of reaction. Both sides will fight with righteous fury, Christmas will be ruined. Republicans will blame it on Democrats, Democrats will fume.

When we're all finished fighting about it, Social Security will be gone. Merry Christmas suckers!
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 06:34 AM
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39. You're right this is distraction pure and simple
Let people have their damn displays.

Bitching about it is just waving a red flag at a bull. Focus on what's important.

Enjoy the damn holiday. If you're a liberal Christian try and come up with a display that celebrates that little thing about "Peace on Earth, Good Will toward Men" or should that be good will towards humanity, I wouldn't want to upset the PC police. If you're not a Christian consider having a Merry Pagan Yule celebration. If you're Jewish, I hope you had a very Happy Hannukah.

There are real issues. Social security is in danger. Iraq is a mess. There are serious doubts about the election. Don't get into a pissing match over Christmas.

Liberals hate Santa--yeah that'll win friends and influence people.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:28 PM
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3. Take a deep breath man...
...getting upset ofver Christmas decorations, and thinking they are a direct attack on you personally is, well, kinda weird.

How can you have a "mean spirited aggressive" Christmas decoration?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:34 PM
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6. This is different than before, this is organized.
This is an aggressive Jesus campaign like I haven't seen since the campus crusade for christ in the early 70's. It definitely isn't a normal pleasant feel that you would normally get.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:35 PM
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7. How do you...
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 06:43 PM by RoeBear
...come to that conclusion? I must have missed the memo but my decorations are up anyways.

Is there something like this:


Merry Christmas, convert or burn in hell!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:29 PM
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4. I love Christmas decorations, even cheesy ones
I like the phrase Merry Christmas. I think it's silly to sing We wish you a swinging holiday instead of We wish you a Merry Christmas. All of this and Christmas has 0 religious connotations for me. I'm just a retro Christmas afficianado. Got to get back to baking fruitcake. Ho, ho, ho.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:47 PM
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9. Can I come over?
I actually LIKE fruitcake!
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Tighthead Prop Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:38 AM
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45. I second that!
Christmas decorations with cheesey lights, Santas and Christmas foods are fun. :toast:
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:32 PM
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5. There is a church/retreat place down the road from me that has a permanent
nativity scene only the people are missing until around Christmas time, they also have a permanent Easter scene with a cave and a rolled back stone. The people are good people and it isn't so much in your face. It was there before I moved to the area and they rented a room to me when I first moved there.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:42 PM
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8. I have to say
I really enjoy the lights and I really don't care about content. It's a free country ( so far) and people can put up whatever they want. the best thing to do is enjoy or don't look.

Picking battles is a GOOD thing.

BTW, a very cruel, greedy, evil right winger in a nearby town has a wooden angel holding the words "peace" next to a huge blow up soldier.

Well, the angel keeps falling over and the soldier deflates and falls down too. No human help-just wind and instability, but I find it hilarious.

"There is no peace and your soldier's been killed!"
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:48 PM
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10. LOL! Thanks for a great laugh. nt
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:05 PM
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17. About your story.
LOL! Funny! :)
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BernieBear Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 06:37 AM
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40. It's early morning and everyone is asleep and your post
about the soldier getting bashed by the angel just made me burst out laughing and now I'm almost crying!!!!! Oh toooooo funnyyyyyy
"There is no peace and your soldier's been killed" I AM STILL LAUGHING.

:cry: :toast: :cry:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:51 PM
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11. 6 foot white cross w/ lights-- looks like a deadly accident scene or KKK .
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:55 PM
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13. I swear, it's a "put christ back in christmas, support the troops and bush
deal. Never before have I seen so many "merry christmas" lightup signs set out on purpose facing the main streets.
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:52 PM
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12. So, if you like Christmas you are a right-wing fundie??? Suuuuure. n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:56 PM
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14. Never did I say that, it's simply the garish advertising look to this
shit, it's different than before, that's all.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:00 PM
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15. where you at?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:01 PM
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16. Central Orange County, California.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:52 PM
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27. Orange County JUST became garish?
You gotta be kidding me?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:05 PM
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19. Bad taste knows no belief or lack thereof.
Season's greetings!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:16 PM
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20. Thankfully No
The area i live in has none that i've seen. There are houses decorated nicely, but no bible beater displays.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:25 PM
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21. Put up your own "pagan" display
Put some of these simbols up
If nothing else put up a big sign that simply reads "Merry X mas." You can make the X very big. Or maybe a Merry "Greedmas" sign
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:49 AM
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31. Ooooh! That Green Man is purty! nt
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:38 AM
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46. Ooo--I have that Green Man in sparkly colors on a t-shirt!
There are always lots of garish Christmas displays -- the weirder, the better, AFAIC. One of my favorite lottery fantasies is moving into a real tony neighborhood and putting out the biggest white-trash Christmas decorations (you know -- 6' plastic manger figures, etc.) I can find just to piss off the snooty neighbors (I'm just contrary that way)!
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:32 PM
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22. Since when is a "Merry Christmas" lightup "mean" and "threatening"?
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 07:33 PM by UdoKier
As much as the right is making way too much out of made-up liberal attempts to "destroy Christmas", there seem to be way too many liberals who look at a Nativity or a Christmas Tree and see a cross burning.

Snap out of it!
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:53 PM
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23. No, not really ...
there have always been some people who put up Nativity scenes and crosses and sometimes they have those up along with Santa and peace symbols all in the same scene. I think it looks kinda tacky because I prefer one theme or the other but still I get a kick out of it and see no harm in it. :D
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Blue Wally Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:10 PM
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24. I grew up in Detroit
There were some really garish and overdone light displays there. My father used to take us out after dinners in December to drive around and "OOH" and "AHHH" pover the more spectacular displays. late rin life I lived in Virginia and really came to appreciate the subtle effect of a single white light (candle) in each window of the house (particularly effective in the "center hall colonial" houses which were very symetrical).
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:30 PM
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25. Ha, that's what I have now.
The single white candle in each window of my symmetrical house.

I think it's a christian thing, but I like the simplicity of it.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:45 PM
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26. I grew up with a very large Mickey Mouse in a Santa Suit on my front yard
I find it hard to imagine anything more "aggressive" than that.

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:55 PM
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28. Multi-Denominational family here
Jewish mother, Catholic father, Jewish wife. I consider myself Jewish but I practice no organized religion. That said I love doing up the house with lights for the holiday. I don't put any "Merry Christmas" signs or anything but I don't mind them either. I think this whole "holiday wars" thing is overblown by the media. Another way to keep the nation divided. My problem comes when my tax dollars are spent to support anothers religion. If the government wants a "Christian" nation fine... then they can give me back my damn money.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:18 PM
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30. What one puts on their own property as decoration is their own concern
except where it violates local laws and home owner's association rules.

:shrug:

I really could care less what a private party does with their decorations.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 04:47 AM
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32. "mean spirited agressive" Christmas displays?
Are you being serious? Do they have "Have a Merry Christmas or Else" decorations in your neighborhood?
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Undercover Owl Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:47 AM
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36. might be good for sarcasm though
to have "Have A Merry Christmas Or Else!" up in lights.

a kind of passive-aggressive way to get Christmas-zealots to back off.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 06:02 AM
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38. Support our troops
I think the "or else" is implied. It is a command, not a statement, like "we support our troops".
I see no such command in "Merry Christmas". In our society, that phrase has very little connection to Christ. Although fundies are making it a battle point to say that instead of "Happy Holidays". I say let them have their hollow victory, it might make them magnanimous. Or think of it as a low-cost Christmas present.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:10 AM
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33. No, not at all...
I live in a neighborhood that always decorates heavily. There's nothing unusual this year. Religious symbols, non-religious symbols, lots of lights--every color & size.

And this is in big, bad, evil Houston, Texas.

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LoveCore Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 05:39 AM
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35. I don't think it's that big a deal
I don't ever remember this being such a huge issue in years past. I think it's just a few extremes trying to rub their side of things in everyone's face... you know how all the "christian" hate mongers get given half the chance. I don't know if any of that actually made a point, I'm getting kinda sleepy.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:24 AM
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44. Hi LoveCore!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 06:40 AM
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41. I actually like most Christmas lights and displays
I'm deathly nearsighted(legally blind w/o my glasses), and one of my great joys is to go around viewing the lights and displays without my glasses on. The lights are all fuzzy and blurred, looking like will-o-the-wisps. It is really quite beautiful.

My only objection to Christmas displays are those on public property, using public resources.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 06:48 AM
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42. No, we have worse
There's a man in a neighborhood near mine who keeps a poster of the 10 commandments outside his condo. His SUV has all the usual ribbons and flags, and a bumber sticker that reads, I LOVE MY WIFE.

In his window, hangs a wedding gown. I was walking yesterday, when I noticed his truck was following me very slowly. I sped up and was prepared to run for my life. I can't put my finger on it, but I find the whole thing quite creepy.

We have a lot of Christmas decorations so they don't bother me at all. I think it's just your perception that is troubling you, as I've noticed the same thing about certain symbols. For example, the support the troop ribbons,religious stickers, the American flag...the corporate media have managed to make those things represent Bush, at least in my mind. It's not true, of course, all sorts of people support the troops, fly the flag, are true Christians, but some would have us believe if you don't support Bush, you are against the troops, the country, and God.

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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 07:03 AM
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43. WTF are "aggressive" Christmas displays?
:wtf:

You sound like Ebeneezer Scrooge or maybe the Grinch, whose heart is one size too small. Happy holidys. :D
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