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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:20 PM
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Seriously, what the hell is the matter with Rumsfeld?
This was probably posted yesterday, but I'm not very familiar with military lifestyle/their attitudes about the dangers they face, etc. and I was wondering if Rummy's responses to this soldier's question were as out of line as they seem to be?

Soldier: "Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to uparmor our vehicles?" Wilson asked.

"It's essentially a matter of physics, not a matter of money," Rumsfeld said. "It's a matter of production and the capability of doing it."

What????.....Physics?????......Sure Rummy!

Rummy: "As you know, you have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want,"

Rummy: "You can have all the armor in the world on a tank, and it can be blown up."
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:21 PM
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1. Just off the top of my head....hmmmm..evil maybe?
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:23 PM
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2. Okay...so can we put the same armor on the troops' vehicles
as is on all the transport for the Halliburton gang? They have nicely outfitted stuff from some reports I heard awhile back on MSM. Would have to search for links.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:23 PM
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3. He's making excuses. Everything is either impossible
(like its against physics) or futile (you'll still get killed) so there is no sense blaming him for fucking up basic planning for this war. Nothing to be done, nothing to be regretted, nobody to be blamed. And why is he going to Iraq, if that's all he has to say? Why is he drawing a salary? Because if he didn't, he wouldn't be in a position to make excuses. And because he is a death-dealing dickhead.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:23 PM
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4. i was thinking the same thing
had a Democrat, any Democrat even one not SecDef, said anything like that the amount of hell fire that would have rained down upon them from the right would have been biblical in proportion....but not a peep out of them on this....no calls for him to explain, let alone resign.....and yet they impeach someone over an extra-marital affair? what partisan pandering and hypocrasy....
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:26 PM
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7. The good news is, when we are finally rid of these criminals.
The remaining Republicans will have absolutely nothing in which to be outraged about. In every way, this administration has managed to set a bar that will be impossible for any future administration to reach.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:23 PM
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5. It's another known unknown.
Or maybe unknown known......I get the 2 confused.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:24 PM
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6. It's a travesty, a sham and a mockery...
and the house of cards is wobbling.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:26 PM
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8. He's evil.
Cue the Church Lady: Could it be.... Satan?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:27 PM
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9. Rumsfeld is insane. He really is. A sociopathic lunatic. n/t
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:36 AM
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23. Yup,just what I've said for YEARS....
You could tell what a freak,sociopath he was when the invasion started. He really,truly loves this shit. People dieing means nothing to that fucker.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:28 PM
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10. I'm not sure but Rumsfeld isn't the only one afflicted
These people have no conscience. They don't care. I don't think they're even trying to hide it anymore. They're above the law, apparently. But there's one law they can't break: The Law of Cause and Effect. And, brother, when that comes down, all hell will break loose.
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morcatknits Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:52 PM
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16. Personality Disorders All Around
They are a bunch of sociopaths, in my opinion. They want what they want, and that makes it legitimate.
morcatknits
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:34 AM
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18. Oh Yeh-- the inmates are definitely running the asylum
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 02:34 AM by ailsagirl
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:28 PM
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11. He's crazy!
He's a psychopath like every member of that administration!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:29 PM
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12. Arrogance, simply arrogance
he has probably always been able to bullshit his way out of anything.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:37 AM
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24. arrogant rich man just like Bush and Cheney

That'w why he was retained
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Shadowen Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:29 PM
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13. Pro wrestling provides me with an excellent insult for this occasion:
"Ass-clown".
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:30 PM
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14. Rummy thinks he's really clever.
Remember his quote about the unknowns and the things we know we know and the things we know we don't know? His comment today sounded painfully familiar.

He loves to do this little routine where he thinks he's showing off how clever he is. At the Pentagon briefings, they all laugh in appreciation. However, his tired little roadshow doesn't play well with the non-press corps types.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:34 PM
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15. teenie weenie
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:39 AM
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17. Seriously there are some major mental problems at the top of our governmen




bush and his cronies:crazy:
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pen dragon Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:09 AM
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19. Rumsfeld was co-built by Henschel and Porsche in 1945
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 06:12 AM by pen dragon
Part of Hitler's secret weapons program, but by the time designers of the Enigma machine could finish programming his brain, the Russians had overrun Berlin. When word reached Prescott Bush he had the highly encrypted but not fully functioning Rumsfeld uber-android smuggled into the United States via an unmarked German U-Boat before he fell into communist hands.

No one has been able to stop him or decipher his source code since.



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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:18 AM
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20. with extensive Nixon-era modifications

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:29 AM
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21. How stupid &/or gullible are the troops?
Do they know that they have been lied to and betrayed?
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:39 AM
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25. watched a really good series of documentaries
on discovery times yesterday.

it basically trailed a regiment from a national guard battalion in Clarkville, Arkansas from life in the states to deployment to kuwait then convoy to iraq then to life in camp in baghdad.

this was the most curious part of the whole thing: the troops were sent to a base in texas for extra training before being sent overseas. they showed some of the white soldiers (young guys) essentially framing their service and feelings about deployment in terms of patriotism, "they attacked us, so we gonna get them," and basically parroting the official line.

the next few scenes showed a group of black soldiers during their off-time at a club. they filmed them in the parking lot and they all basically understood the war was a sham: saying how an iraqi never hurt them; that the war was basically bullshit; and ended up with all them doing an a capella rendition of the song War by Edwin Starr.

i don't know why this was compelling to me, but it made some weird kind of sense to me, as it underscored the inherent racism of our genocidal policies against muslims.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:35 AM
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22. Lets see.....Talking out of his ass???
He's like Bush,he doesn't want and can't answer direct,tough questions. He wants what Bush wants,to hang around Military installations and be fawned over. Didn't work this time around,got his ass ripped a new one.

David
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:22 AM
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26. There's absolutely nothing new wrong with Rummy
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wantedtohelp Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:04 AM
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27. Same thing wrong with the nazis
total lack of empathy.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:07 AM
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28. He doesn't care. People are obstacles to him
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:07 AM
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29. I'm Old...It's early!
where am I sonny? uuuuuh.....I can't think!

gimme a break! This clown's got the worst poker face ever. Way to insult the troops!
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dissenting crone Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:25 AM
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30. "I'm Old...It's early!"
Both major cop-outs.
Don't blame age, sucker;
and
go back to your cave if it's too "early".

Cop-outs
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:41 AM
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31. I watched a doco on Rummy the dummy...
...a few days ago on the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation.)

They were talking about how he was in the same position he holds now during the Nixon (I think it was) administration. And the effect that had on the Vietnam war.

Basically they were saying how letting civilians control the military and organize wars etc, doesn't work.

Then they talked about the Iraq war, and how General Tommy Franks wanted the war to be different, but how Rummy basically nit picked until he got his own way.

So that, my friend, is what is wrong with the dummy. He has no experience, and he refuses to listen to those who do.

He doesn't give a shit about the guys on the ground fighting the war. He is safe at home on U.S. soil.

I have to admit though, during this doco I screamed at the telly several times, because of some of the spin that was in it, but it really was pretty interesting to see.
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