Full, unedited transcript of Bin Laden tape

[alevensalor]

I managed to find it, so I posted it. Unsure if it's common knowledge or not yet.

http://watchingthewatchers.org/index.php?p=180

~A!

[blurp]

1. immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling

Osama's original letter is worth reading, too.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html


It contains such gems as:

(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

and

(b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

In other words, no separation of chruch/state.

[leftofthedial]

4. "You separate religion from your policies . . ."

so he IS an ally of the fundy RWers.

[janx]

5. They want a "Christian" nation.

He wants an "Islamic Nation."

The future doesn't look good.

[leftofthedial]

7. same delusion

different label

[genieroze]

10. Then he did want Bush to win.

[Goldeneye]

2. Thanks...I'd forgotten about it with all the election fraud stuff.

I'm glad I read the whole thing though.

[stellanoir]

3. thanks

for posting.

[alfredo]

6. Thank you.

I will kick this for the morning people.

[Bucky]

8. Wow, why does all this stuff sound so familiar?

But first, to quote Jon Stewart, "fuck bin Ladin."

Can't he see we've already got our hands full?

[Swamp Rat]

9. Right wing fundie X-tians are "Terrorist Appeasers."

Americans wanting and attempting to institute a theocracy in America are aiding and abetting terrorism and Al-Qaeda.

[OneBlueSky]

11. I call bullshit . . .

I'm proceeding from the assumption that OBL has been and still is an agent of BushCo . . . and that something other than the planes caused the collapse of the WTC towers . . . feel free to dismiss my comments if you disagree . . .

quoting from the message: "And we know that freedom-haters don’t possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them" . . .

I believe it's been pretty well established that several of the individuals named as members of "the 19" were not on the planes . . . OBL knows this, and yet he still regurgitates the "official story" as put forward by BushCo . . . seems to me that this comment, among others, is an attempt to perpetuate the BushCo version of what happened on 9/11 . . . the tape as a whole is probably a vehicle to help Bush get elected (and/or to use as part of the cover when the election theft worked, as it did) . . .

sorry, but the whole thing just doesn't ring true . . . if you accept that OBL is working with BushCo, you can only assume that BushCo had a say in what he had to say on the tape . . .

[ebayfool]

12. But why, if he is allied w/ *ush, would he warn @ election fraud ...

in the tape? The origanal full transcript WAS posted on Aljazeera on Nov 01,2004. He specificly said ...

"So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty."

It sounds more to me like he didn't want *ush in the WH? Maybe past parterships are null & void now. Seems he thought mentioning voting fraud would cause a backlash here & our gov edited that bit out (doesn't sound like national security, just self serving on their part). He also stated that his plan to bleed our country dry, doing a good job of that.

"So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah."

I have no pretense that I can begin to figure out how these arses think, muddles the normal mind. Just thought to throw it out for others to try!

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Ok two things, yuo are on a good route here

Go, RUN get "the Age of Sacred Terror" will explain much how they work

Then get either Musashi's Boof of the Five Rings, or Tzun Tsu's, or for that matter Clausewitz.

In war fighting there is this principle of attacking the center. OBL knows his enemy extremely well, and realizes that he cannot attack us frontally... would be suicide.. so he is using the priciples of asymetric warfare to attack the true center of the United States: the Economy.

He did this once, remember the USSR? I knew you cuold. He has brought one empire down ONCE, why not a second? And he did it by attacking that economic center as well... he could not face the Soviet military straight up

Though he also bled that military dry... by the way we are doing a marvelous job of oding it ourselves in Iraq, but that is a whole different matter

[ebayfool]

15. Man, my book list has gotten huge since finding DU! Thanks ...

for the titles, I am reading everything I can get my hands on. I do understand the economy/bankruptcy aspect - what I'm having to struggle with is the 2 sides of the *ush/OBL alliance? Some have sworn that they are still in an alliance, others say he was for Kerry to win the elections. I know OBL worked for the gov in the past, but seems to have 'gone off the reservation' (no slurs, I'm part Blackfoot - the term fits). I don't think *ush (& maybe others in the gov) want him caught - might bring too public an airing of dirty laundry. But at the same time I'm not sure that I, humm, okay - this is letting emotion enter where it probably shouldn't - I don't like to entertain the idea that he was more afraid of *ush than Kerry. Could he have thought that Kerry would bring a more balanced approach to our dealings w/the middle east? Or he just hates *ush enough to not care? Just wanted *ush to lose & didn't really care if it put our man in? Is OBL's war as much w/us as it is w/*ush? I'm at a loss to understand why he would want *ush to lose, as the video expresses to me. Others seem to have gotten the opposite impression, so mayhap I've missed something.

BTW - Feels nice, I think I've found the learning channel in this thread.

[ixat]

14. Wow

I just wish we had such a good strategist in the White House... Well, we did, until recently, but nobody listened to him. :/

[alevensalor]

16. Self kick for monday morning. n/t