Ohio Recount - Not Going To Happen In Time; Unless.....

[JohnGideon]

Kerry comes into the picture. A judge found, today, that there can be a recount if the Green/Libertarian candidates want one but it won't happen in enough time to affect the electoral vote. Neither of those candidates would be affected if the recount was done now. Only Kerry's campaign has the standing to go to court and ask for a recount to be done now.

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2607940&nav=LQlCTTor

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/10256727.htm

[wurzel]

1. This will force the Dems into the open.

If we have a case the Dems have to go public now.

[AmerDem]

19. I don't think Kerry will go "into the open"

Like always he has been straddling the line and watching his every word dealing with the massive fraud. Someone who is eager to bring this out would not have conceded so quickly. We didn't hear anything from Kerry until the other candidates looked to be getting this moving. We have been left down completely by Kerry and the Dem leadership. It will take a god given miracle for them to now speak out.

In the mean time try to contribute to this thread for a protest against FAUX News and the election fraud!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2688242&mesg_id=2688242&page=

[Skidmore]

32. Sigh...sometimes you've gotta wonder if there's something to those

Skull&Bones or Illuminati theories. Maybe * is blackmailing him.

[Eric J in MN]

2. Anyone here who can contact Kerry's associates? NT

NT

[Cleita]

4. Won't happen.

I think Kerry has been necklaced.

[Eric J in MN]

6. What do you mean by "necklaced?" NT

NT

[Cleita]

7. Threatened.

I thought this since he conceded so quickly. Now, I don't know if it's personal about his family, or that perhaps something awful would happen to the populace at large, but things are not adding up in my mind.

In the long run, because Kerry is very cautious, it may turn out to be the best thing he could have done. The fact that he is cautious and conservative in his actions (by this I don't mean RW) would make sense if he had been given an ultimatum of sorts.

Remember the Bushistas are really mafia and their M/O is exactly that.

[librechik]

24. it's a slang term in Africa

they put a burning tire around the neck of a suspect or a collaborator.

[MrUnderhill]

3. It's already too late for a "recount" to help us.

Even if 100% of the remaining votes are counted and 100% go for Kerry there aren't enough votes out there to make a difference.

It all rests on any ability to prove intentional fraud... and franly, that doesn't have a deadline like a recount does.

A "recount", since it's just a reporcessing of the existing numbers would be unlikely to affect anything (even if there was fraud), since any fraud would be repeated.

[Eric J in MN]

5. We're talking about a hand-count in front of witnesses (NT)

NT

[Cleita]

8. We need to push for this anyway for a historical record.

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[JohnGideon]

13. Not Necessarily True...

A recount just doesn't count the "remaining votes" it recounts all votes. If the machines miscounted the first time, which they may have done. Or if the machines were set to miscount, which they may have done. There can be a lot of change in the votes. The thing is that if it does not happen; we will never know. We will spend another 4 years the same as the last 4. I don't want that.

[Eric J in MN]

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[Eric J in MN]

10. Please spread this information around until it reaches

John Kerry's lawyers.

He needs to joing the lawsuit for the hand-counting to start now, (instead of Dec. 5 or 6).

[goclark]

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[Eric J in MN]

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[Sleepless In NY]

16. Don't the people in Ohio care enough to protest this?

I don't understand.

[Eric J in MN]

17. Protesting won't change a court ruling. We need for

Kerry to join the lawsuit.

[kk897]

27. there's a protest scheduled for Dec 4

in Columbus at the Statehouse.

[Eric J in MN]

31. OK, I didn't know about the Dec. 4 protest NT

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[robbedvoter]

15. Check up W's ass....

Ukraine to US: Ha!ha!

[Eric J in MN]

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[oc2002]

20. Kerry, its time to standup for what you said about every vote counted....

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now is the time!

[Eric J in MN]

21. Right. Can anyone reach Kerry's people?

Tell him to joing the lawsuit now and get the hand-count started.

[Andy_Stephenson]

36. Don't count on Kerry

I'm not.

[Eloriel]

23. Doesn't anyone care about

democracy?

That's what's at stake here, NOT getting Kerry in the White House. Democracy itself is at stake, and the Green and Libertarian candidates were bright enough and courageous enough to take it on.

Sure, we'd rather see Kerry in the White House than Bush, but folks -- it's not about Kerry.

And John, I fail to get your line of thinking here. What am I missing? How would Kerry's sudden appearance on the scene make any difference? You think the seas will part for him or something? Really, I don't get your point.

[JohnGideon]

25. Here is Why Kerry Must Be Involved....

Read the links. The judge said that the G/Lib candidates do not have any standing in any decision. In other words, they don't have anything to gain in any decision that the recount be speeded up. It makes no difference for them if it happens now or in ten months; according to the court and, the court is correct.

If the Kerry campaign steps into the suit, then there is standing; then the court must make a decision to start the recount or not start it. There is "standing".

It's not about Kerry anymore, but in this case Kerry has to be involved to make any recount meaningful.

[Carl Brennan]

26. I am beginning to wonder. Bev Harris

said in another topic that the Democratic Party wasn't interested in supporting BBV over audit issues up to and into the election. I'm in mental limbo on this. :shrug:

[desi826]

28. Smart move, dammit

They KNOW Kerry won't do it, for the "Sore Loserman" label.
I will be VERY surprised if he did.
It's over.
Des

[Ima]

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[goclark]

37. Never never never quit

We have too much at stake to ever say the word quit.

That is the word they want us to say and that is why we must remain strong!

[Eric J in MN]

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[DeepModem Mom]

34. Anybody? Are Kerry's people even aware of this?

[leftchick]

38. one would think that they must be aware of it....

kerry apparently does not care. So much for having our backs,huh? What a phoney....:grr:

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[Eric J in MN]

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[Leilani]

42. Seems like something should be done?

[DeepModem Mom]

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[Eric J in MN]

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[WI_DEM]

46. I think Kerry is still playing chess

Of course he should openly come out for it and request it.

[Eric J in MN]

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[m berst]

49. 17,000 lawyers

Just think. Placed end to end, they would stretch 20 miles. And it is only costing $13,600,000 a day at modest billing rates for attorneys.

That is about 1 lawyer for every 300 voters in Ohio. Every voter in the state could be canvassed in a day by these lawyers.

Too bad they didn't hire 17,000 journalists. Or 17 journalists, even. 17,000 private investigators would have been nice. Or 17,000 statisticians or computer geeks. Or buy 17,000 ads in newspapers.