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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:14 PM
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The real JFK conspiracy is the one you never hear about.
But one conspiracy, the most compelling I have found, was the one seldom talked about and this makes it, well, all the more compelling. It is the story of CIA operative Richard Case Nagell told by author Dick Russell in his book: "The Man Who Knew too Much". Here is his story.

In the book "The Man Who knew too Much" author Richard Russell discusses the name "Alek Hidell" which was used by Lee Harvey Oswald. This book is thoroughly documented and sourced.

About Richard Case Nagell: "The late Bernard Fensterwald, Jr. a prominent Washington, D.C., Attorney and founder of the Assassination Archives Research Center, served for a time as Nagell's attorney. "Despite the fact that he was ignored by both the Warren Commission and the House Assassinations Committee," Fensterwald believed, "Nagell is probably the only vital individual who knew the details of the assassination and is still alive." Jim Garrison, the former New Orleans district attorney whose 1967 investigation was among the first to raise the specter of a conspiracy, said simply: "Richard Nagell is the most important witness there is." (pp.47) .


Here is an excerpt from the first few pages of Russell's book largely taken from police records of the incident. Photos of Nagells arrest and incarceration are in the book:

Late on the afternoon of Sept. 20th 1963, in the West Texas city of El Paso, a man parked his yellow and cream-colored Ford Fairlane in an alley between Oregon and El Paso streets. He opened his trunk and took out a .45 Colt automatic pistol, tucking it inside his belt. he was tall and rangy, well dressed in a blue suit, white shirt, and red tie. He walked over to a nearby post office and took five crisp hundred-dollar bills from his pocket. Folding them inside a piece of paper, he slipped the package into an envelope and mailed it to an address in Mexico City.

At the counter, he registered another letter to an official of the Central Intelligence Agency. He carefully placed the receipt in his wallet and momentarily scrutinizing the circular-shaped ceiling, placed his hand on the pistol. Then, fearing a ricochet that might injure one of the customers, he changed his mind.

It was a sweltering ninety-one degrees as the man walked across the street toward an old gray stone building with a facade of roman columns with eagles above the doors. His mind raced; he was being followed, of this he was certain. Inside the State National Bank, it was now a half hour before closing time. He observed a young police officer standing guard beside a Treasury Department currency display, chatting with a woman. The man approached a teller's window and politely asked for one hundred dollars in American Express traveler's checks.

But as the teller laid the traveler's checks on the counter, the man made no move to pick them up . Instead, he reached inside his suit jacked, drew the pistol, turned, and deliberately aimed two shots into a plaster wall just below the bank's ceiling. Then he returned the revolver to his belt and, as calmly as he had entered, he walked out onto the street.

He stopped at the corner, looking back to see a few bank employees staring at him from the doorway. He headed down the alley, got into his car, and, for a moment, simply sat there. As he finally pulled out halfway into the street, anoher driver was motioning for him to pass when the man saw the young policeman, with the gun in his hand, looking for him in the traffic. He backed his car up onto the sidewalk. When the policeman came over to his window, he said, "I guess you've got me, I surrender." and raised his hands.

Nervously officer Jim Bundren put on the handcuffs and marched him back to the bank. As he led his prisoner up some stairs toward a set of offices, the man suddenly turned his head and cried out: "Capitalist swine!" The policeman frisked him in the upstairs office, finding a mere twenty-seven cents remaining in his pocket.
Bundren examined the contents of his wallet: a California driver's license, some kind of U.S. military certificate. There was also a mimeographed newsletter. It was addressed to Richard Case Nagell from something called the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

Bundren picked up a telephone. Because a firearm had been discharged inside a federally insured building, the FBI would have jurisdiction. Two El Paso special agents arrived at the bank within ten minutes. when they asked what his intentions had been, Richard Case Nagel refused to respond. Then, as he was being led to a waiting FBI car, he turned to Officer Bundren and said: "Why don't you check my car and get the machine gun out of there?"

On the way to the El Paso Federal Building for further questioning. Richard Case Nagell issued only one statement to the FBI: "I would rather be arrested than committ murder and treason." 1

Many years later, Jim Bundren, retired from the police force and while teaching a course in criminal justice at an El Paso college, would look back and remember: "I was sitting next to Nagell at one of his preliminary hearings. I don't remember the exact date, but I know it was before the Kennedy assassination. Nagell looked over at me and said. "You're a pretty good cop, arent' you? You know, if I didn't want you to, you'd never have caught me."

"I said. 'I saw the shots you fired in the bank. With your Army training and everything, I just felt like maybe it was some kind of diversionary tactic.'

"Nagell just smiled and said, 'Well, I'm glad you caught me. I really don't want to be in Dallas'

I said, 'What do you mean by that?'
'You'll see soon enough,' he said.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:22 PM
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1. "Fair Play for Cuba." Where have I heard that before?
Where, oh where?
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:31 PM
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3. That was Oswald's org. There is a film clip of him
passing out flyers on this.

You should see a picture of Nagell, he looks very similar to Oswald. Nagell also states to Russell that he was at two other locations: Miami and San Diego? where hits were planned.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:46 PM
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6. Fair Play for Cuba
was an actual group, separate and distinct from Oswald. His very slight relationship with it was part of his legend.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:28 PM
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2. This information is well known.
It is an interesting part of the case.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:47 PM
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7. I have never seen this aired anywhere, or any thing done on it in
the media. I've been putting this on the Internet for years.

If you know of any media work on it I'd love to see it. The book is absolutely stunning, page after page. There is Garrett Trapnell who alerted the FBI on August 19, 1963 about a Cuban group that tried to get him to participate in a kidnapp/assasination attempt of Robert F. Kennedy. Trapnell was involved with a Cuban exile group Alpha 66. This is Warren Commission document 196 testimony taken by FBI special agent Francis L. Peathree. (Russell page 411)

This sounds alot like Vreeland or Sibel Edmonds regarding 9/11. It very clearly links Cuban exiles to plots on the Kennedy adminstration. Later, on his deathbed CIA backed mobster Santos Trafficante would lament that they should not have gotten JFKennedy but his brother.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:05 PM
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8. More on Trapnell. Prior knowledge is very, very powerful.
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 08:10 PM by Carl Brennan
Trapnell was told that the group had considered an assasination attempt earlier in the spring but "felt that their had been a leak, tht the authorities knew of the plot so they decided to postpone the attempt until late August or September 1963. (Trapnell's report of a springtime plot also dovetailed with Nagell's story of the L.A. conspiracy where Vaughn Marlowe was considered for recruitment).

Russell's book is loaded with this kind of synchronicity. The Trapnell story is the street level support for the deep political conspiracy. Prior knowledge like this is damn near proof. Trapnell could not have been making this up when we see with hindsight the way the evidence stacks up for a Cuban exile/ CIA hit. The problem is that most people don't have a good baseline of knowledge to even begin to seriously think about the Kennedy assasinations.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:21 PM
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10. Then Trapnell's testimony is backed up
by Alpha 66 in Los Angeles and Russell delves into that groups actions in the Spring of 1963 and "FBI files show considerable attention being paid to Alpha 66's activities in Los Angeles...". Russell interviews Marlowe and this supports Nagell's and others contentions of an attempted hit in the Los Angeles area.

If you took this book and made a movie of it I'd bet 90%+ of the people would conclude the CIA/mob assasinated Kennedy. The weird thing is that in the movie JFK this most important single material witness is not even mentioned. Did somebody go to Oliver Stone and tell him not to go there?


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:10 PM
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9. It's a well known book.
I tend to discuss important issues with people who read. I've never met anyone who could be described as knowledgeable about 11-22-63 who had not read the book. People have been educated even before the internet. Reading books is one of the best avenues towards education, though I think the internet is fine, too. But I can assure you that informed people are aware of that book.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:07 PM
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11. That's good to know. Do you have any
thoughts on why this info isn't in the media along with the other conspiracy theories?
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:42 PM
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12. Kick. I'd like your take on this
Thanks
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:36 PM
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4. Russell's book is a must read.
Not only for Nagel's story which is fascinating enough, but Russell spent a quarter century or so with the case and conducted interviews with many principals.

Anyone who says "But somebody would have talked!" hasn't read this book.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:45 PM
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5. Good point.
A person cannot fully understand 11-22-63 without having read this book.
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