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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:30 PM
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:40 PM
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1. HELL YES!
Or atleast he's part of the reason! I predict he's just getting started. We haven't seen anything yet! Go Dean!
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tico Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:57 PM
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8. Megadittos romantico!
Oh wait, I forgot where I was! GO DEAN!
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:41 PM
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2. How nice of you to say that, Pete!
I think so! Dean has been bold and unapologetic. I think the other dems are seeing the popularity he's gained because of it, and become a bit emboldened themselves.

Of course it doesn't mean as much coming from me - cuz I'm a Dean supporter! B-)
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:46 PM
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3. I don't believe the "Dems" in congress and candidates have gotten
their spines back, with a few exceptions like Byrd.

What you see is a group of cowards who have and are waiting to make certain which way the "herd of public opinion" is running. When they believe the herd is going in a direction with little personal risk to the Dem, they will run to the front and say "Follow Me".

That's political leadership -- it has zero committment to personal beliefs. :puke:


AND DAMM PROUD OF IT!

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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 08:14 PM
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17. Once Dean gets the White House and Demos regain Congress....
I think the leadership of the DNC should change. The liberals should clean house and get rid of the spineless ones. The time has come for the Democratic left to seize the day!

Even if Bush gets another term, then it will also be time to clean house within the Democratic leadership.

John
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:50 PM
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4. It's not about being a Liberal as much as
it is about acting responsible. This Iraq War was not about freedom or defending our nation from a clear and present danger as the sales pitch went out. It was about OIL....Control.....Power.....Dean saw this and did not blink to speak out against it. Dean expressed the thoughts and fears of a rational nation. Remember the International Protests.....It fell on deaf ears and now its time to pay-up.

Our voice was from many, all who were shamed and ridiculed without mercy.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 08:42 PM
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20. It is Dean's honesty -- not his "liberality"
Dean ran for the presidency in a crowd of others, and when so many are cowed by the myth of Bush's popularity and untouchability -- did not consider "politics" and spoke his mind against the invasion of Iraq before it started. Like us at DU, he opposed it because Bush did not make a persuasive case for invasion -- that is, without lying -- and Dr Dean, like us at DU, knew the facts well enough to know he was fabrocating the evidence.

Considering how we were told at the time how well the war went, and the images of grateful Iraqis welcoming their liberators, supporters of Bush tried to use these images to mock those of us who opposed this war. They were wrong; I knew I was right.

And so did Dr Dean. He never wavered from his analysis, and as the truth comes out, Dean's position has been vindicated.

That's one of the reasons he has summoned such enthusiastic support out of the field of candidates.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:51 PM
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5. That's certainly the way I see it.
He's usually first out of the box with a statement, and hits hardest. The other candidates follow along behind, after he's provided cover.

Not sure it's gotten as far down the line as Congress, but I have hope.

Eloriel
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:51 PM
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6. Absolutely!!!!!
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:57 PM
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13. Ditto
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:55 PM
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7. It was the media that had to start acting like a media instead
of just cheerleaders for Bush. Various Dems have been dumping on Bush for over two years, but the media ran interference for him. Bush has made it too difficult for some of them to continue that pattern.
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Neoplatonist Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:41 PM
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11. I had an apostasy over Dean
I was a Kerry supporter. Then, all of a sudden, this Dean guy started firing verbal-morter rounds at the liar in thief. I started watching Dean more and more and began to have affection for him. Now I am 100% behind Dean. I will support the Dem no matter who he or she is.

I think Dean is the kind of pitbull who won't take the b.s. that the Nazis will undoubtedly throw at him. He'll turn a mirror on their sorry asses, and Americans will wake up to the nefarious sadism going on.

Dean changed the complexion of the race--it was pale and sickly. Now it has some color. He won my vote in the process. I won't have another apostasy if he gets the nod.
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quilp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:34 PM
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9. Yes. But Dean has less to lose.
He is not running for anything else. The others want to retain their seats while running for president.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:44 PM
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12. Dean is good for America, win or lose
I'm really impartial. I wear that Anyone But Bush icon with conviction. I'd vote for someone's pet if it wasn't a neocon pet. I think that it's not just what Dean says, it's that he has a populist quality that money can't buy, can't be taught, and isn't limited to one mindset. Bush seems to have some of it, Clinton had it, Reagan had it in spades. It seems to be the secret ingredient in creating teflon leaders, too. His recent, widely reported mishaps don't seem to have slowed him down any, do they? Nope..he's got at least a little teflon in him. Those attributes will allow him to get across a Democratic message to a lot of people and more of them will hear it. It'll move the Democratic party more than Nader's tactics ever could. It comes across as a "muscular" liberalism, not shrill, introspective or whiny. It's what we need more than anything else right now.
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Josh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:41 PM
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10. Actually, I think Gore started the whole thing, but certainly Dean
is doing a wonderful job taking up where Al left off.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:36 PM
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23. You're right...

I think it was Gore and maybe Kucinich and Byrd first... all about the same time speaking out against this war.

Dean followed soon after. I was so depressed at the time because no one was openly against the war and the hawks were laughing their asses off at us anti war folks. To have him come out the way Bush was pushing it really meant a lot to me.

And now every week Dean is doing more and more things that amaze me. Now he's got three great WMD and Iraq and Bush timeline and quotes webpages up:

Bush and WMDs:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762



Dave (AmyStrange.com)

DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 08:00 PM
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14. Right On Pete
Dean has nailed shub lie by lie, and he has did it with smarts and class. I think that he has shown them how to be a real, fighting,in your face, democrat. He is a breath of fresh air. I don't care how they try to stop him, he can win and end our pain. Sen. Byrd, Dennis, and Bob Gramham, also deserve credit. :toast:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 08:07 PM
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15. He was the first to say that the King is naked
All the other dems admired the King's new clothes.....

He took the plunge.

He was against the war when it wasn't "cool" and considered political suicide.

He has the courage of his convictions........It's almost as if, my gosh..HE's FIT TO BE PRESIDENT>.
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lkinsale Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 08:11 PM
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16. Well, I don't like playing "who was first" games, but...
Dean doesn't get all the credit by any means.

Bob Graham voted against the war and has been outspoken on the administration's deceptiveness and stonewalling equally as long or longer than Dean.

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 08:23 PM
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18. You are right.
He did and probably was first. I guess I'm just fired up about the sustained positive energy coming from the Dean camp.

I don't know if he'll get the nomination. I hope he does. He has my limited monetary support.

Whoever runs against Smirk will get my vote.
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lkinsale Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 08:26 PM
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19. Same here on voting for whoever is nominated
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 08:27 PM by lkinsale
Anyone but Bush.
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Monaco Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:25 PM
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21. I'm not
in a position to say yes or no. What does appear clear is that Dean was not afraid to call it as he sees it, and it appears that enough other peoplethought the same way too. Whatever happens to his campaign, we all need to be thankful to Howard Dean for helping us find our voice again before it's extinguished forever
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:35 PM
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22. NO! He's An Opportunist.
I think Kucinick and Sharpton have done a much more effective job.

And before them Al Gore.

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Monaco Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 09:41 PM
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24. Opportunist?
I first heard Howard Dean on a radio talk show well over a year ago. His message was as clear then as it is now. And what about 12 years as Governor of Vermont? Was that just a staging ground for a Presidential bid against an incumbent who almost everybody said was unbeatable? Look, I'm not denigrating either Kucinich or Sharpton who have been consistent in their challenge to Bush and his policies, but there's a difference between calling someone an "opportunist" and someone stepping up to the plate when something needs to be done.
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