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reggaehead Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:01 PM
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What it was the hippies had.
I hate to just let this topic die because the peace movement of the 60's and 70's is what defined us as a model nation. And getting away from it is why we are so despised throughout the world today. My thoughts on the subject.

1. The spirituality factor. Contrary to popular belief Hippie culture was/is entrenched in spirituality. Often, the practices and customs of this spirituality were frowned upon in greater society ie the smoking of marijuana, communal living, vegan movement et al. Hippie culture was/is both mezmerizing and distasteful at the same time. Yet it would seem to have only been distasteful because it was done openly. Kind of like the gay/lesbian movement now. Though, contrary to popular belief. Free-love did not lead to people coming out of the closet. People want what they have always wanted. Someone they can trust. And someone to bond with if only for a short time. That is only human. It will never change.

2. The Religion factor. I view this as being tied into the spirituality factor. Therefore, I do not believe it wise for the DNC leadership to target Religion as potential voter base. I don't remember the poster. But he/she professed herself a pagan. (please don't jump me for gender bias. just to simplify). She said she thought all religions lead to the same end. Therefore they must all be right. Well, i believe this poster more enlightened than most. But, the very fact that all religions are right in and of itself begs the argument that all religions are inherently wrong. For how can right exist withouut wrong? I believe hippie culture understood this. And this belief was widely accepted even within the religion embedded societies of hippie culture.

3. The Educational factor. America the beautiful HAD the most envied educational system of any Nation. Inquiring minds were encouraged to probe the message for defects. And to always take into account the ulterior motives of the messenger. All schools taught, the 3 R's but also Science, Social Studies and especially the Arts.

4. A Free Press. Many may not remember. But journalism used to be an honored profession. Truth above all was the motto. Truth, and being the first with the truth was what sold papers. Truth is a byproduct now. Kind of like that smell at the pulp mills where the paper these rags that deliver the NEWS are printed on.

5. Very Intense Music and very Intense performers. Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Credence Clearwater Revival, Santana. These were the bards of the time. Their voices were heard DAILY at free concerts across the Nation. The music scene today is truly a mixed bag. While I applaud the efforts of Bruce, Bonnie Raitt, Eminem etc. So much of the Rap scene is still centered on Racial inequality. But the Conservative right wing doesn't care whose voice they stifle. This has to come to the forefront.

6. Longevity: I must confess to a sense of despair lately. But why should we despair? We are on the side of righteousness. How can a regressive society with a belief system based on a deity who never shows himself but demands subservience (smacks of either penis-envy or shortmans diesase) stand in the way of equal rights for all people? I don't see it. And the little shrub will be exposed right down to his elevator shoes.

Go hippies.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:08 PM
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1. Reinstate the draft...
...and watch the hippie movement blossom again. Man, those were the days....

Aging Hippie
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:30 PM
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11. You forgot the qualifier "Gracefully" :-)
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:10 PM
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2. There was an unfolding of the human spirit
that found a way through hippiedom. However awkward and wildly beautiful it was, we got a glimpse of our purpose and potential.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:12 PM
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3. You are right on with this analysis.
Some of us old hippies are still around, but have been forced to compromise a little to survive.

I had to cut my hair to earn a living, but I'm still a vegan (since '75), still a radical politically, still support revolutionary music (see Michael Franti and Spearhead), still support a free press (now incarnated as "the internets"), and still surviving (we survived raygun and "we will survive" busholini).

We are the lightkeepers in this hour of darkness, but the dawn will reappear and expose the rats and cockroaches who populate this time of dark night.

Keep the faith, keep your lamplight shining, no one can extinguish our righteous love and light.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:17 PM
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6. Let it be
amen
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:22 PM
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8. That's what my dad says -
He always wondered what our "Revolution" would be....guess it's coming to light now...I am a hippie child, born and raise by two hippie parents....wouldn't change it for a minute...

Love and Peace
Love and Peace
Love and Peace.

There is still hope...and thank you for keeping the light burning for the next generation of "Hippie Revolution"..

Peace Out. Love and Light Always!

:hippie:
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:28 PM
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19. Welcome to DU from another hippie child of hippie parents!
Way cool, canadianbeaver.

Here's a thread from yesterday about hippies. Share your childhood too!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2711865
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:44 PM
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23. Thanx for the welcome.....Peace and Light always
My heart aches for the peacefull out there...I will always believe it is possible to live peacefully and hope I will be alive to see it..My dad says I should have a child, even though I said I won't because of the way the world is right now, as that child may be the one that makes a difference and changes things for the better........I want to make that statement a reality in my life.....I think I just made up my mind as to whether or not have a child...tears are coming down my face now.!! I want a world that can live in Peace. I long for that world to be true...I would give up what I cherish to make it better for all...is there someone else out there that would do the same?

I HOPE SO!!!

Boy I tend to ramble when I get all choked up...I love all!!

Peace Out!!
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:15 PM
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4. That's inspiring!
Right after I graduate, I'm gonna sit in a tree, cut the soles off my shoes, and learn to play the flute!
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:12 PM
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26. Awesome quotation. Serious hip cred.
Firesign Theater was a very important cultural artifact in my circle of friends.

George Leroy Tirebiter!!!
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:12 PM
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28. I owe it all to the fine education I received at...
...Morse Science High School.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:16 PM
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5. It was the MUSIC!
The music changed people; it really did.
Now that the corporate fucks have taken
over the industry, nothing of consequence is
produced or available.
Something that interests me greatly is the fact
that the kids today who would of been the hippies
of yesterday seek out the OLD music. YES.
My daughter has taken over all of my Dead Kennedys,
Violent Femmes, Hendrix, Lou Reed, Byrds, CSNY,
Cream, etc...records.
It's great, I get to hear all that music again.
She has her iPod loaded with a mix to die for!
bhn
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offcenter Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:27 PM
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9. Underground music, my friend
Commercialized music is dead, they just don't know it yet.
I'm on a jag to not download or buy anything copyrighted because there are commercial free alternatives & that's where the real energy is.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:30 PM
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13. "The day the music died..."
"They were singing
Bye-bye Miss Amercian Pie..."

You and I agree completely!
Are you a musician?
bhn
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reggaehead Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:30 PM
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14. Deadheads have known that for years
speaking of which. think i'll put the grateful dead movie on now.

-what a day when the pendulum swing. what a day when the well run dry. when the children ask you why. when nothing is the same and who is to blame... Mutabaruka
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:28 PM
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10. Music told the story of what was happening
It allowed our parents to be apart of what was happening in the world..tho hear what others like them felt.
I am a classic rock chick who loves the moldy oldies. Joni Mitchell,CSNY,America, Clapton..
Music creates feelings that we act apon..it moves us to action.
That is what I feel Eminem is trying to do with his "MOSH" the generation of today just has a different story to tell, however it is beginning to look alot like yesturyear in America recently and I think a movement will happen before you know it..!!

Peace Out!!
Love and Light.!!
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:19 PM
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7. And we were right!
"We are here to make a better world.

No amount of rationalization or blaming can preempt the moment of choice each of us brings to our situation here on this planet. The lesson of the '60s is that people who cared enough to do right could change history.

We didn't end racism but we ended legal segregation.

We ended the idea that you could send half-a-million soldiers around the world to fight a war that people do not support.

We ended the idea that women are second-class citizens.

We made the environment an issue that couldn't be avoided. The big battles that we won cannot be reversed. We were young, self-righteous, reckless, hypocritical, brave, silly, headstrong and scared half to death.

And we were right."


-Abbie Hoffman

http://www.hippy.com/php/article-199.html
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:34 PM
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21. Thanks for the link. Awesome.
n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:30 PM
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12. How come alot
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 01:36 PM by mmonk
of our values didn't hold? The country seems to have gone backwards erasing alot that we helped put in place in civil rights and the country is much more warlike.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:34 PM
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15. It the Corporatism, stupid!
Corporatism has invaded EVERY corner of
our lives. It is the anti-thesis of humanity.
It has brain washed an entire generation
of people away from their inner beings.
Remember the Zappa song about TV?
(BTW- I don't think you personally are stupid.
I was just borrowing the structure of the saying.)
bhn
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:37 PM
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16. I believe
you're correct.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:32 PM
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20. "I'm the Slime" Frank Zappa lyrics:
FRANK ZAPPA - I'M THE SLIME LYRICS




I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out
From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks . . .
Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go
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PhuLoi Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:06 PM
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17. Because many of those beflowered folk were posers.
As soon as the draft went away they went back to claim their trust funds and picked up their MBA's then registered republican. Need, greed and fear are the prime motivators of republicans. They fear whatever they can't control. They fear for themselves; they're afraid of poverty, of death, of their god. They are rank cowards but they breed like rats, or more accurately, bacterium.
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reggaehead Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:48 PM
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24. I don't believe that to be the case
Yet, the right-wingers are trying to kill off any sembeance. While I'm not vegan I am big on organic farming. Bushies are trying to peel the label off that. And where your meat and dairy products come from. What if any information you are entitled to about the food you eat. But I have a problem here.If god is providing it to us in exchange for blind faith. Why are we being charged? If we are being charged then we have every right to know its history.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:23 PM
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18. It was a "passion for truth to come out." And a breaking of boundaries
which were suffocating in the 1950's. It all came together at the same time producing art, music, religious and drug experimentation and a questioning of establishment authority.

It was a "movement" and I just don't think we will see anything like that again for a long while. We are just so fragmented in socieity today. People don't really listen, watch, read or have lifestyles where a cohesive coming together can occur spontaneously.

But, it doesn't mean that we can't have individual "movements" who can work together and try to join hands across our diverstiy. America has changed and I gave you a realy simplistic personal view of this. Books have been written on the 60's but I don't know of any that can explain the difference between then and now, because we are living through the now. Maybe someone here knows of a good book to recommend about this. :shrug:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:41 PM
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22. Bonnie Raitt was from 70's...you have her grouped with eminem * the
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 02:43 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
more contemparies...i remember her at the "No Nukes" concert

"there's a flies in the kitchen. I can here them buzzin and i ain't done nothin, since i woke up today.

just give me one thing that i can hold on to..to believe in this living is a hard way to go...

make me an angel... that flies from montgomery"
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reggaehead Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:53 PM
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25. mainly because
of her latent activitism. Bruce is from the '70's too. I love Bonnie Raitt. I watched while Bob Weir ran a cable for her guitar on a New Years Eve so she could chime in for "Women are Smarter". But Don't think for a second I am shortselling Bonnie Raitt or Bruce or anyone except maybe the long of tooth Simpson sisters. Back to my movie
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:21 PM
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27. Defined us as a nation!?
Isn't that a slightly overblown perspective? Not to rain on anyone's parade, but during this time period, Nixon was elected twice, wars continued, and America's influence in the world slipped to a low not seen since before World War I. I'm not quite sure what the legacy of the "hippies" is, besides influence in pop culture. And I'm not sure all those changes were positive.

I think the Civil Rights leaders created the actual legal basis for most of the positive changes in this country over the last fifty years.

And to prove my coolness, I quote Hunter S. Thompson:

"There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda... You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning....

And that, I think, was the handle -- that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting -- on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave....

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look west, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark -- that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

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reggaehead Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:46 PM
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29. Yes I believe the times did define US as a model nation
However neo-liberalism was at its birthing. Sucking a country dry as an idalism was barely being birthed. What would the cost of a barrel of oil be without US intervening? ^0% of today I suspect. Yet what I find most detestable is US Govt. officials profiteering on every aspect of it. They make me vomit!
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:05 PM
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30. Roszak: "The Making of a Counterculture."
You might want to check out this book. Something of a classic
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