Is anybody else sick of form letters from Kerry principals?

[saracat]

I pored my guts out asking for help for depressed Kerry supporters and I got back that a stupid form letter from Cam Kerry about vote counting. I presume no one reads these letters because my topic was Kerry Voter Pain. I am about to pack it in. They really don't care about any of us. BTW in case I wasn't clear, My letter WAS NOT ABOUT THE ELECTION FRAUD.

[skooooo]

1. What else would you expect?

[saracat]

6. That when something is off topic they don't send the same damn form letter

I would think the fact that their supporters are committing suicide would catch their attention, but I was deluded!

[Avalux]

8. Maybe they are doing more important things

like investigating voter fraud, instead of sitting around reading our emails.

[ewagner]

2. Been getting them too

the interesting thing is that they don't say...forgetaboutit...move along........

[cjbuchanan]

3. But we care about you

We are all here for each other. We all have to cheer each other up.

I don't know what is going on with the Kerry folks, but I've got a lot of good response here.

Why don't you post your email here and see what people say.

[saracat]

11. I did and most DUers DO care.

I think some of us are the only human beings left on this planet.

[JuniperLea]

4. i'm sick of this

you guys need to chill!

[Avalux]

5. You can get mad at me if you want

but quit wining (for now). Give John Kerry and his principals at least until the electoral college meets on Dec 13 to do something (I think they are). Don't pack it in yet.

[JuniperLea]

10. exactly!

this negativity helps no one.

[saracat]

12. This isn't negativity. This is fact.

I am upset and I want them to know. After working my ass off I have a right to complain. And I want a real response. I am not just writing for myself but for lots of others who asked me to do it. Acceptence of bad behavior doesn't help anyone either!

[JuniperLea]

14. so...

you want them to take time off from the important work at hand just to kiss your ass? i think that is rather selfish. and i think all this kerry bashing is useless and stupid.

[Carni]

18. Not to be rude and I can understand that you are depressed

But imagine how they feel!

In addition these people are probably getting thousands and thousands of letters--there is no way in hell they can answer them.

Be happy you are getting anything in return...in 2000 we were writing the Gore campaign and didn't even get the courtesy of a form letter in response.

[Edmond Dantes]

7. Didn't you say that you were a Dem Party official?

A STATE official?

Why aren't you using your party connections to elevate your concerns and those of everyone else here?

(Why do I suddenly have a hankering for a glass of wine?)

[saracat]

9. I have been dammit. They don't care either!

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[Edmond Dantes]

21. I think they DO care. I think it's possible that you may have

developed a credibility problem. Many complaints. Few, if any, constructive suggestions. No sense of humor.

Take a break and approach it from a different, less abrasive angle.

[saracat]

24. I have a credibility problem?

Because I don't agree with you? And all of your suggestions are so constructive? Because I won't be Pollyanna and support the new reaching out to the moderates? La di da! I don't think we were We can't be all things to all people. I am sorry I can't please everyone and my attitude displeases you.

[Edmond Dantes]

28. Your attitude does not displease me.

And I merely raised the possibility that you may have a credibility problem. Why do you tend to redefine the debate in black/white oppositional terms?

I recognize that you are a passionate person (a term often applied to me as well) and I think that is a good thing. But I think you would be a more effective communicator if your passion was a bit more controlled and tempered. At the moment it appears that you are lashing out at everyone--especially those in the Dem Party. When people see that sort of uncontrolled flailing, they tend to keep their distance lest they themselves become a victim of it.

You can scream and shout and protest if it makes you feel better, but your political effectiveness will suffer on account of it.

Please think about what I have said.

[saracat]

31. Thank you for your reply. I actually don't see that "lashing out at the

Democratic Party" is in any sense inappropriate behavior considering what has transpired during the last couple of weeks. I believe that the DLC and the DNC are the ones with a credibility problem. It was following their "moderate " prerogatives that have cost us three elections in a row. And I am angry about that fact and I reserve the right to express that opinion. I do not believe that a problem can be fixed until you identify the problem.I am identifying the problem by complaining about it. I hope being vocal about it will lead to a solution.

"You can scream and shout and protest if it makes you feel better, but your political effectiveness will suffer on account of it. "

I find it hard to believe that you would address such a statement to the Founders of our nation ,the early Civil Rights marchers, or the protesters against the Vietnam War.(And I was one of those.)

It is only through the passion, and screaming and protest(indeed a revolution)of those people that change for the good took place. And if political effectiveness suffers on the account of passion, the RW, the home of Hannity, Limbaugh, and Zell Miller, ought not to be triumphant. I believe it is our lack of passion that has, in combination with the ineptitude of our party leadership, brought us to this abyss. I pray that some people of "passion" will lead us out of it!

[Edmond Dantes]

32. Thanks for your thoughtful response.

Me: "You can scream and shout and protest if it makes you feel better, but your political effectiveness will suffer on account of it. "

You: "I find it hard to believe that you would address such a statement to the Founders of our nation ,the early Civil Rights marchers, or the protesters against the Vietnam War.(And I was one of those.)"

Me: You are correct. I would not. But there is a time and place for that kind of protesting and I don't think the time is now (right after an electoral loss from which we are all reeling) or the place is DU (where you are, by and large, surrounded by friends). Save that passion and energy, because you will need it over the course of the next 4 years for other, more fundamental issues--such as civil rights under the Dept of Justice's new Torturer General.

Just my opinion, of course! :-)

[DemCam]

15. I loved the one from Elizabeth Edwards today.

We certainly do get sick of things quickly, don't we?

[saracat]

16. No. I liked Elizabeth's.

It was the lack of concern from the Kerry camp about their supporters that irked me!

[JuniperLea]

17. did you work so hard for the glory?

or because you believed in something?

[saracat]

22. How dare you?

That just tears it. I am completely fed up. I didn't want a personal letter you ditz. I wanted them to acknowledge the suffering going on! My pointt is no one is reading anything. I don't need a form letter about another topic. What is the use. I give up.

[JNelson6563]

19. Get over it and yourself

Many of us worked our guts out for the camapaign. Some of us weren't ever really hot on Kerry either, FYI. Am I whining or demanding special thanks? No. I am back at it putting together a four year plan to over-throw the fascist bastards we call "Republicans". I hope you will do the same instead of waiting around for individual attention from people that many millions of people would like attention from.

Julie

[saracat]

23. See above. I don't want anything for ME. I don't want a letter at all.

I want them to DO something about the people who are hurting. I am tired of explaining. Geez. Forget it. I am done. And take the four year plan and stick it . I give up.

[sangh0]

25. Then why complain about the letter?

If you're tired of explaining, maybe it's because your explanations don't explain what you are actually trying to explain, which now seems to have nothing to do with the letters you recieved.

If you're down or in some kind of emotional pain, maybe you should speak to a friend or a family member or someone else who knows you well enough to understand what you're trying to say.

[saracat]

27. it is the lack of empathy or interest illustrated by the form reponse That

angered me. I would rather be sent nothing than an automatic response not relating to the subject matter.
And again, this wasn't about me. I enclosed an article from the AP about the widespread depression of the Kerry supporters and the suicide at Ground Zero. These people were depressed because they felt abandoned and thought that Kerry was not fighting for them. I think that they are entiltled to an explanation from someone. That is what I asked for.I happened to have some small vestige of faith in Kerry and his campaign. But whatever.Think what you want.

[JNelson6563]

29. Ok, you "give up", I'll never surrender

I understand some have weaker constitutions though.

Everyone is hurting. Millions of us.

I can't believe the Kerry campaign principles are callling every single one of us to thank us. Ugh.

Julie

[LittleClarkie]

33. This has an element of Stan-ishness

that's alittle disconcerting. (Eminem reference)

Sarcat, do you really think that out of 55 million people, they're gonna pick you to pay special attention to because you're the one who's REALLY upset.

Now if it were my local mayor, that would be a different story. But geez louise, dude. Get a grip! They can address all y'all, or they can work on getting the job done.

They care already. They care. Do they have to come on television and beat their tits for all to see before people will believe that they care? Will they have to return every email personally?

I'll take the hug Kerry wanted to give everybody and keep moving on. That catch in his voice said it all. This is not a man who shows emotion normally. I have to believe they're doing what they can. Even if nothing comes of it, it's good to know there are people still on the ground looking over a few shoulders.

I'm not holding my breath for a Kerry presidency in 2004. If they can just overhaul the voting system and force some reforms with the evidence they collect, I'll be a slightly more happy camper.

But I still mourn for what might have been.

[saracat]

34. This wasn't about me.

I didn't want a response. I want them to take some action. This isn't about me. See my other posts explaining. I do find it interesting that they can send out 55 million emails asking for money and not one expressing their sorrow at what has happened to some of the Kerry supporters. Maybe they should send an email to all the donors acknowledging some of that emotion.The only thing that I wanted someone to do was acknowledge the pain that many people are in . I feel that the young man who committed suicide at Ground Zero was every bit as much a warrior as the soldiers in Iraq . The people in Florida and many other states that are going to grief counseling and experiencing post tramatic stress sydrome are also our soldiers. These are our disabled Veterans of the campaign to take our country back. We complain about Bush not going to soldiers funerals. We complain about the neglect of our soldiers. Well, the Kerry Campaign has not even addressed the issue of these people. I think somehow the pain of these supporters has to be addressed. I do not think that this disregard is deliberate, but I do think it is careless. This has been a very unusual campaign and the emotional attachment has been unprecedented. The reponse to that emotional attachment should be unprecedented as well. JMHO.

[info being]

20. Fuck em

Time for our own party. We may not win the election, but we'll win back our integrity.

[roguevalley]

26. the Cam Kerry thing could be the hoax some pugs started.

see the post in GD.

[itzamirakul]

30. I haven't received a single one since the election...

except the one from McAuliffe - but I guess after I returned it with the suggestion that he sign the petition for Dean to be Chair of the DNC and then told him to clean out his desk and get the hell out - I won't be hearing from him anymore. That is, until he wants some more money.