I'm Jewish and I work at McDonalds

[urbanguerrilla]

Yesterday, I refused to sell a customer a cheeseburger because I don't believe in mixing beef with cheese.

Seriously though, we need to start an online registry of known fundies who have infiltrated the pharmaceutical profession. They need to be shamed and EXPOSED as I find them no different in reprehensibility as sex offenders.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

1. omg! thats funny!

and a good analogy

[prodigal_green]

2. nothing to say but

Kick!

[Maat]

4. That was great.

My hubby dropped my hormone prescription at Wal-Mart about a year ago. I'm having trouble getting it switched. Can't figure out if I want to push things and transfer it for the last few months.

But it is fun to proudly walk up there and get my BC pills (I'm 46 - they're for medical purposes).

I did get them to admit that they will not dispense the Morning After Pill.

That's why I'm investigating a good firm to take my prescription to next. And I plan to be vocal about it.

[Maat]

5. My favorite DU story (one of my favorites) ...

the guy/gal who loudly goes in and buys condoms in front of the pharmacist, knowing it drives that pharmacist nuts.

[Pirate Smile]

3. Yesterday, someone posted that they were going to start a blog

on the separation of church and state. I guess all the current conflicts regarding it and this type of issue.

They were trying to think of a good name for the blog. This is certainly going to be a hot topic for the next four (...cry...) years.

[prodigal_green]

15. He or she should just call it the Handmaid's Tale

Assuming one could get permission to use the name.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

20. Titles can't be copyrighted

And besides, Atwood would be all over it.

[kayell]

37. They could call it Life in the Republic of Gideon. nt

[gordianot]

6. Follow this link.

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

Adolf Hitler, My New World Order, Proclamation to the German Nation at Berlin, February 1, 1933


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2659175

[ComerPerro]

7. That would be outstanding if someone did that

And, when asked about it, should justify their decision by citing right wing pharmacists and the birth control debate.

[ComerPerro]

8. By the way, one of my suitemates was Jewish

One day I went to the store and brought home a box of ham and cheese hot pockets. Over the course of the week, he ate half of them. I didn't really care, but pointed out that it was strange that my Jewish suitemate was eating my ham and cheese hot pockets.

I said, "Isn't that against your religious belifes?"

He said, "Yeah, so?"

LOL

[TlalocW]

12. I dated a woman of East Indian ancestry

Born and raised in America although she could speak her family's regional dialect pretty well (went over to India to visit family a lot). She loved hamburgers. I called her a "lapsed Hindu."

TlalocW

[MsTryska]

14. hey....

did we date at some point?


oh wait it wasn't me - i'm not hindu.

and the only other languages i know are high school french, and street spanglish.

[TlalocW]

17. Huh...

I guess not unless you're a doctor of psychology.

I know Spanish though - it's one of my degrees.

The one word I remember from her family's dialect was semi (like a semi-truck). It means penis. I took great joy when we were driving to say things like, "Man, look at that gigantic semi we just passed!"

TlalocW

[MsTryska]

19. Nope...not a Doctor of Pyschology either

and i have no idea what language uses semi for penis. i'll have to ask my mom.

[TlalocW]

23. It's a good thing we're not dating

"Mom, my boyfriend wants to know how to say 'penis' in various Indian dialects. Can you have a list for him when he comes over for dinner on Sunday?"

TlalocW

[MsTryska]

25. the odd thing is...

with my mom these days, i just might could get away with it.

well maybe i'd have to edit out the "my boyfriend wants to know" parts.



she called Ann Coulter a shriveled up c-word. (she didn't actually say the c-word tho). either way the intent was there, and i for one, was impressed.

[prodigal_green]

50. Very few Jews in the United States

keep Kosher.

[2Design]

9. thanks for lol

[MallRat]

10. Freaky. I saw an orthodox Jew working at a Dunkin' Donuts...

...where they serve breakfast sandwiches with a variety of pork products.

I wonder- does he ask another coworker to prepare those sandwiches when they're ordered?

-MR

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

21. They opened a Honeybaked in LA's Fairfax district

My friend swears he's seen Hasidim coming out of there guiltily dabbing their mouths.

[jmowreader]

22. The rabbi at the deli counter

The rabbi points to the pile of pink meat. "I'll have a pound of that corned beef."

'Rabbi, that's not corned beef, that's ham.'

"So who asked you?"

* * * * *

A rabbi and a priest were flipping each other shit one day.

The priest said to the rabbi, "come on, rabbi, have you ever eaten a ham sandwich?"

The rabbi looked around and said "yes, once, when I was young I ate a ham sandwich on a dare. And I'll admit, it was very good. Now father, have you ever had sex?"

The priest looked around and said "yes, once, before I decided to join the priesthood, I had a girlfriend and we had sex one night."

The rabbi looked at him and said, "it was better than a ham sandwich, right?"

[Wright Patman]

11. Pulp Fiction soundtrack lyrics

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/pulpfiction/personalitygoesalongwaydialogue.htm
Artist: Travolta, John Lyrics
Song: Personality Goes a Long Way (Dialogue) Lyrics
VINCENT
You want some bacon?
JULES
No, man, I don't eat pork.
VINCENT
Are you Jewish ?
JULES
No, I ain't Jewish, i just don't dig on swine, that's all.
VINCENT
Why not?
JULES
Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
VINCENT
But bacon tastes good, pork chops taste good...
JULES
Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie,
But I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfuckers.
Pigs sleep and root in shit, that's a filthy animal.
I don't eat nothin' that ain't got sense enough to disregard its own feces.
VINCENT
How about a dog? A dog eats its own feces
JULES
I don't eat dog either
VINCENT
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
JULES
I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but it's definitely dirty.
But, dogs got personality, personality goes a long way.
VINCENT
So by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
JULES
We' have to be talkin' 'bout one charmin' motherfuckin' pig.
I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?

[leesa]

13. Funny. But beyond that, other religions need to do just this.

It is absurd, but fight fire with fire.

[tanyev]

16. Yeah, what I don't understand

is why these pharmacies hire pharmacists who are not willing to fill all the prescriptions they are given. I heard a couple years ago there was a shortage of pharmacists--maybe that's still in effect?

If a "phundie pharmacist" wants to open his own shop and follow his own code for dispensing drugs, I guess that's his right. And customers can choose to go there or not. But if they're working for a big chain they should have to follow Walgreen's rules (or whoever).

[Patiod]

18. But will you sell the ham,egg&cheese on a BAGEL ???

Hmmm???

:crazy:

[Squeech]

24. Once upon a time

there was a fast food storefront in Harvard Square, in the People's Republic of Cambridge MA. Their stock in trade was sandwiches made with kosher hot dogs. One of their best sellers was an item called the Blasphemy, a kosher hot dog with bacon and cheese. It was quite tasty!

[MattWinMO]

26. I'm opposed to forcing pharmacists

To fill prescriptions for contraceptives. If one pharmacist refuses to sell you contraceptives I'm betting you can find someone who'll do it. However, I feel it's unconstitutional to force a pharmacist to sell contraceptives if their religion opposes it.

[tanyev]

27. Maybe they should choose another profession.

Welcome to DU.

[stanwyck]

29. You're kidding, right?

They're pharmacists! Their job is to count pills and sell drugstore products. They're not doctors. If their religion prohibits them from doing their job, they need to find other employment. What else will they refuse to sell? Viagra? Not likely. Male enhancement herbal remedies? Diet pills? Rush of Jeb's daughter's personal addictions? Pregnancy test kits? Cosmetics? (which some religions forbid).
You probably are one of those folks who was livid at a handicapped golfer being given special privileges on the golf tour, but, hey, pharamcists should be given special consideration for not doing their job. Like they didn't know when they went to pharmacy school that contraceptives were part of the regimen....that was never covered. Right?
So much for personal responsibility. Maybe the pharmacists could have checked into what their occupation was before they went to college. Can you imagine? Oh My God. I'm expected to sell birth control pills. Who knew?
Ludicrous. Absolutely inane.

[MattWinMO]

36. I never said I agreed with the decision...

But I don't think the government should tell a pharmacy they MUST sell contraceptives. Are you saying pharmacies shouldn't have a choice in products they sell?

Are you saying devout Catholics, who oppose contraceptives can't be pharmacists or run pharmacies?

The choice of whether or not to carry contraceptives is up to each pharmacy. The First Amendment still applies to Catholicism.

[ck4829]

41. This Pharmacist who has been in the news does sell contraceptives. But...

He refuses to sell them to a certain group of people (Unwed women)

He has contraceptives, but he discriminates to whom he sells them to.

[MattWinMO]

43. I can't stand by the discrimination in...

Who they sell to.

[stanwyck]

51. Is religion above the law?

I realize the Bushies are pushing us toward a more Islamic type country where religion outweighs federal law. Is that what you're advocating? If you don't believe in Roe vs. Wade, then you can refuse to fill a prescription for the abortion pill? So, my personal philosophy/religion gives me an out? I don't have to obey laws? As for the devout Catholics, check out who gets the most abortions, by denomination. Apparently, using contraceptives is wrong....but getting an abortion is, well, a personal matter. The hypocrisy is over-whelming.

[MattWinMO]

53. what law?

There's no law requiring pharmacies to carry contraceptives.

[stanwyck]

63. Apparently you, like GWB,

don't read newspapers. The pharmacists in question (see the USA Today article, for one)have not only refused to fill prescriptions, but have withheld the prescriptions from the customers in an effort to prohibit their buying the contraceptives elsewhere. American Taliban at work. I was referring to Roe vs. Wade, which is the law. Abortions are legal. However, pharmacists have refused to fill prescriptions for the morning-after pill due to their opposition to abortion. Thus, law is trumped by religion. This is dangerous. Husbands beat wives, advocated as reasonable and proper in some religions, but that's against our law. So, are you advocating religion over law? Mormons can marry 14-year old girls as their fifth wives? Against the law....but compatible with their religion.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

40. Who does the enforcing??

The private employer? Or do you let the government fire oone of his or her employees?

[MattWinMO]

45. the policy should be set by...

The owner.

[ck4829]

32. What if you can't find someone else who will fill it

I've been through small towns that have a limited number of everything. And that includes Pharmacists.

Tell me, should it be OK if:

some Surgeons refused to operate on certain people?

some Psychiatrists refused to treat certain people?

When a Doctor fills out a prescription, a Pharmacist is susposed to give the person the medicine the prescription ordered.

[MattWinMO]

39. that's a bit different..

However, no doctor is forced to perform surgery on a patient. Would you support forcing a doctor to perform an abortion?

[ck4829]

44. I don't want to see a doctor forced to perform abortions

That is not what I am saying.

A doctor who performs abortions though has no right to say "I will not perform an abortion on this woman because she is unwed". If there was an actual health concern that could arise becuase of an abortion, then I would not support it.

[Brewman_Jax]

33. What about if the phamacist is a Religious Scientist

who won't fill your prescription because he says that prayer and fasting will work better.

It's not unconstitutional for a professional to perform his job function. That's RW spew for letting the private sector interfere with individual rights.

[MattWinMO]

42. ....

Forcing a pharmacy to carry a product is a violation of individual rights. Consumers shouldn't use the force of law to get a vendor to sell a certain product. Let the vendor be punished by the loss of your business. By the way I'm not RW, I lean libertarian.

[kayell]

49. Ah, yet another deluded person who believes that companies

are individuals with individual rights.

[MattWinMO]

56. companies are owned by individuals with...

Individual rights including which products to sell to others.

[CrispyQ]

65. Unfortunately, companies ARE viewed as individuals with indvidual rights

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html

<snip>

"One of the most severe blows to citizen authority arose out of the 1996 Supreme Court case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad. Though the court did not make a rulingo n the question of "corporate personhood," thanks to misleading notes of a clrek, the decision subsequently was used as precedent to hold that a corporation was a "natural person."

===============

Until we revoke corporate personhood, we will never get our democracy back.

Sorry, I realize this is off topic for this thread.

[prodigal_green]

52. it's called state licensing

either you do your job, or you lose your license. A real estate agent isn't allowed to NOT show a house to a minority buyer because his or her religion doesn't allow mixing of the races. If that happens, the person loses his or her license.

And no, doctors are not always at liberty to decide whom they will or will not treat. If a patient comes into the emergency room, it does not matter if that person just shot up a school full of kindergarteners, the doctor is obliged to treat him or her.

[MattWinMO]

55. Stores have the right to choose which products

They wish to sell. A real estate agency certainly can decide which houses they want to sell or not sell.

This isn't a matter of pharmacies deciding who to sell to but which products to sell. So if KMart decides not to sell guns should the govt force them to sell guns?

[prodigal_green]

57. Actually, that is incorrect, a real estate agent has to show you

any house that is on multiple listing (at least according to NYS law).

You are comparing apples and oranges with the K-Mart analogy. K-mart employees are not licensed by the state to sell stuff.

Pharmacies within stores are licensed separately from the retail end of the store. The "store" cannot decide NOT to sell an FDA approved drug, especially one that is as widely available as birth control pills.

I have worked in several restaurants in my day. I am a vegetarian. I never discouraged someone from ordering a meat dish. If I had, I would have lost my job.

[MattWinMO]

60. perhaps but...

Restaurant owners can choose to not sell meat products.

[cattleman22]

72. RE: Requirement to offer every FDA approved drug?

""The "store" cannot decide NOT to sell an FDA approved drug, especially one that is as widely available as birth control pills.""


I had no idea this was true. Can you show me a link where it says that a pharmacy must sell every single medication that has FDA approval.

[Bridget Burke]

58. Then they need advertise the fact.

If a pharmacy will allow its employees to deny birth control pills for "moral" reasons, they need large signs informing the public of that fact. In that way, women can take their birth control prescriptions elsewhere. Inability to refill a prescription on time could lead to contraceptive failure. In the most famous case of "refusal," the pharmacists even refused to transfer the prescription to another store.

The signs will also be useful to those of us past the need for contraception. They will remind us to refrain from spending one red cent in such a dump.

[Brewman_Jax]

66. That's a dodge

You didn't answer the question.

Pharmacies and the professional employees have legal obligations that are not superceded by the employees' individual rights. That response shows a lack of knowledge in this regard.

Libertarians I know understand the chaos that would ensue if individual employees were allowed to arbitrarily accept and decline filling prescriptions. To them, the rights of the consumer override the employees personal convictions. The fact that you have a problem with prescribed contraceptives to the exclusion of other medication types shows you are no libertarian.

[MattWinMO]

69. wow

Saying a company shouldn't be forced by law to sell a product is indeed libertarian. I never said individual employees can choose to not fill prescriptions for contraceptives, it's up to the store owner.

[Maat]

68. Umm...that's a Christian Scientist.

We Religious Scientists go and get the same care everyone else does.

[nickinSTL]

34. Ok, here's my thinking...

How does the pharmacist know why the person was prescribed birth control pills?

They have no way of knowing if it was for birth control or for a hormone imbalance.

Also, what if the woman has other health problems that would make a pregnancy extremely dangerous?

I think pharmacists should do their jobs, and leave the choice of medication to doctors.

I work in a library, I'd LOVE to be able to tell people what I think when they read Ann Coulter or Tim Lehaye, but I don't. It's part of my job not to allow my personal beliefs to interfere with the conduct of my job. Pharmacists should conduct themselves similarly.

[Midlodemocrat]

46. I totally agree

...what if the pharmacist is an exercise freak and refuses to dispense weight loss drugs because the patient should be 'more in control', or Antabuse, the drug that makes you sick when you drink alcohol? If they can't dispense all medications equally and without causing embarrassment to their customers, they need to find another line of work.

[kayell]

47. I'm a Christian Scientist pharmacist and

I refuse to fill prescriptions for ANYTHING. It's unconstitutional to force me to perform actions that my religion opposes.

Now want to tell me why one pharmacist's religion let's him off the hook, and mine wouldn't?

[MattWinMO]

59. I doubt any pharmacy is run by..

Christian Scientists.

[kayell]

67. Hey, I converted after I took the job.

Why don't I get the same religious rights as your guy who chooses only to avoid dispensing one type of medication? Any truly godly pharmacist (like me) would refuse to dispense any of the devils pills and allow God's will to be done.

[MattWinMO]

70. If you're a Christian Scientist I doubt you'd

Run a pharmacy, you'd probably run an alternative medicine facility. I'm simply saying a pharmacy owner can choose to not carry contraceptives, not individual employees. If an employer wants an employee to sell contraceptives and he/she refuses the employer has the right to fire them.

[kayell]

71. So basically, you're saying that the business OWNER is allowed to

impose his religious values on others by your reading of the 1st amendment freedom of religion clause, but the EMPLOYEE isn't.

That's a very interesting interpretation you have there. You MUST be a student of constitutional law.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

48. medicine shouldnt mix with religion....

[Quill Pen]

61. Perhaps pharmacists should be required to sign...

...something comparable to the Hippocratic Oath as part of their certification, or as a condition of their employment. A covenant where they declare their understanding that they're to dispense prescriptions only as written, and they are not to interfere with any doctor's instructions for any reasons, unless they discover a legitimate contraindication with other medications the patient is taking.

Failure to observe the covenant would result in termination, and possibly a suspension of their license until they completed a penalty training course. A repeat offense would result in loss of license.

I don't see why it would be difficult to make this a state or even a federal law.

[demokatgurrl]

28. I know you're not serious but my answer to this would be

then don't work at McDonalds. Just like I would tell nurses who don't believe in abotion rights, don't work on ob/gyn in a hospital or for a doctor where you might have to assist at an abortion. Pharmacists- quit if you can't manage to dispense every prescription that is handed to you.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

35. You're right, which brings up another point...

I assume the pharmacist could be fired by his employer for the actions being discussed here? And if so, I leave it up to that employer. And on the same note, the McDonalds manager could fire a guy for not serving meat with cheese if he wanted too.

But, if the owner allows such activities, or the person doing them is the owner, I really don't have a problem with it.

I only have a problem with government getting involved...Either way.

[Eurobabe]

30. *spits coffee*

[SouthStar]

31. I have struggled

I have struggled to come up with a solid analogy in this matter. You have done it. Thanks!

[Chicago Democrat]

38. That's a good one! hehe

[seraph]

54. Oi Gevalt! (nt)

[Nikia]

62. I think that is a good analogy

I would not be opposed to allowing independent pharmacies to decide not to carry certain products provided that they either posted signs or were on a list available to all area doctors who would be prescribing medicine. Individual pharmacists who opposed certain medications could work at those pharmacies if they wished. Allowing individal employees to decide what not to sell is definitely a slippery slope and certainly could get quite ridiculous. I don't see why a store wouldn't want to fire such individuals. In fact, I think that employees at restaurants and grocery stores have been fired for not selling certain types of meat. I think that anyone who has been fired in the past for that reason should immediately file a lawsuit.

[LibertyLover]

64. Forbidden food

A bunch of years ago I was on a vacation tour of the Middle East with my mom. It was great - Egypt, Lebannon, Cyprus, Israel, Turkey and Greece. Anyway, we were in Jerusalem and went down for dinner at the hotel's informal dining room (those were the days that Hiltons and Intercontinentals had 3 and 4 restaurants). It had an extensive buffet which was carefully divided into meat and dairy, as was the dining area. So, I'm on the meat side and see that they have some lovely ham. I take some, as well as some other stuff and sit down to eat. Then it hits me - ham, kosher, huh? The next morning I asked our Israeli tour guide about it. His response, which I still remember after all these years was, "Oh the flesh of the unknown animal - yes, it's very popular."