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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:36 AM
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Voter fraud going mainstream- Olbermann MSNBC

George, John, and Warren (Keith Olbermann)


NEW YORK - Here’s an interesting little sidebar of our system of government confirmed recently by the crack Countdown research staff: no Presidential candidate’s concession speech is legally binding. The only determinants of the outcome of election are the reports of the state returns boards and the vote of the Electoral College.
That’s right. Richard Nixon may have phoned John Kennedy in November, 1960, and congratulated him through clenched teeth. But if the FBI had burst into Kennedy headquarters in Chicago a week later and walked out with all the file cabinets and a bunch of employees with their raincoats drawn up over their heads, nothing Nixon had said would’ve prevented him, and not JFK, from taking the oath of office the following January.
This is mentioned because there is a small but blood-curdling set of news stories that right now exists somewhere between the world of investigative journalism, and the world of the Reynolds Wrap Hat. And while the group’s ultimate home remains unclear - so might our election of just a week ago.

Snip)
Thus the majority of the media has yet to touch the other stories of Ohio (the amazing Bush Times Ten voting machine in Gahanna) or the sagas of Ohio South: huge margins for Bush in Florida counties in which registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans 2-1, places where the optical scanning of precinct totals seems to have turned results from perfect matches for the pro-Kerry exit poll data, to Bush sweeps.
We will be endeavoring to pull those stories, along with the Warren County farce, into the mainstream Monday and/or Tuesday nights on Countdown. That is, if we can wedge them in there among the news media’s main concerns since last Tuesday:

--- Who fixed the Exit Polls? Yes - you could deliberately skew a national series of post-vote questionnaires in favor of Kerry to discourage people from voting out west, where everything but New Mexico had been ceded to Kerry anyway, but you couldn’t alter key precinct votes in Ohio and/or Florida; and,
--- What will Bush do with his Mandate and his Political Capital? He got the highest vote total for a presidential candidate, you know. Did anybody notice who’s second on the list? A Mr. Kerry. Since when was the term “mandate” applied when 56 million people voted against a guy? And by the way, how about that Karl Rove and his Freudian slip on “Fox News Sunday”? Rove was asked if the electoral triumph would be as impactful on the balance of power between the parties as William McKinley’s in 1896 and he forgot his own talking points. The victories were “similarly narrow,” Rove began, and then, seemingly aghast at his forthrightness, corrected himself. “Not narrow; similarly structured.”

Gotta dash now. Some of us have to get to work on the Warren and Florida stories.
In the interim, Senator Kerry, kindly don’t leave the country.
(snip)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6368819/
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:38 AM
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1. I love that last line!

In the interim, Senator Kerry, kindly don’t leave the country.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:39 AM
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2. Translation:
"Take notes. You'll be seeing this material again"
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:41 AM
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3. Senator Kerry, kindly don’t leave the country.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:42 AM by seemslikeadream
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:41 AM
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4. according to Bev there has been a media lock down
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:52 AM
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7. I guess Keith didn't get the memo.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:02 AM
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11. Wow...
I know America is going to go further down the tubes over the next four years, but are we really there already? Media censorship over real newsworthy issues, especially one that involves how we vote?!

:(
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:11 AM
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27. Good grief. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?
Are you being sarcastic?

There has been media "selective" reporting about just about EVERYTHING of major importance for the past four years. You're surprised they aren't reporting GOP theft of the election via BBV et. al.?! Their point of view is, why SHOULD they tell us. If this is allowed to pass along with all the other shit that has gone down the memory hole, this country is DEAD.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:50 AM
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5. This report has me crying.
Really. I've been walking around numb and blank and sad....convinced that nothing is going to be done about the vote fraud stories...and now there's this little crack of light in the darkness. It's actually a bit hard to take.... I was getting used to hopelessness. I guess I'll have to watch Olbermann tomorrow night. He better not be jerking us around for ratings.
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oregonjen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:52 AM
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6. According to Bev Harris, media lockdown, Olbermann dropped the story
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:01 AM
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9. I wonder. In Bev's post she stated she spoke with them yesterday
that they were dropping the story. Oblermann's blog is dated today. Maybe he plans on going with it. Hopefully.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:02 AM
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12. I just checked with Bev
It's TV that has the massive lockdown. We need to go after print media, here and abroad. Also, radio. Radio has not been locked down.

Let's send out the emails!
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:36 AM
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14. So you're saying that he WON'T cover the story?
Bummer.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:32 AM
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18. We don't know for certain, yet
But there are other avenues. Jon Stewart comes to mind. If he can't go on television with it (and I do think he most certainly would!), then he can get the info. to the right people in the print media.

We're not done. Not by a long shot.
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:46 AM
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23. Has anyone sent this info to Amy Goodman?
(of Democracy Now!)
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:08 AM
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24. We need to send it EVERYWHERE
Let's each assume that no one else has sent a single word to anyone in the media. Assume it's up to each of us to get this done. Then proceed from there. That's what I'm doing. Send them the links to our collective data. Here's a good place to send them:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org

http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud.htm
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:58 AM
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8. Good entry, but I had to take issue with one paragraph
"The only reason I differentiate between the blogs and the newspapers is that in the latter, a certain bar of ascertainable, reasonably neutral, fact has to be passed, and has to be approved by a consensus of reporters and editors. The process isn’t flawless (ask Dan Rather) but the next time you read a blog where bald-faced lies are accepted as fact, ask yourself whether we here in cyberspace have yet achieved the reliability of even the mainstream media. In short, a lot gets left out of newspapers, radio, and tv - but what’s left in tends to be, in the words of my old CNN Sports colleague NickCharles, a lead-pipe cinch. "



Keith, I got 3 words for you: Swift Boat Vets

(or is that 2 words)

I also have another word: DrudgeReport


Since too many reporters forward that guy's crap, I'd say isn't really that much lead in news (paper, radio or tv) these days.



As for the rest, I like Keith and hope he'll really do what he says, investigate the fraud.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:01 AM
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10. Don't forget the infamous WMD
I'm pretty sure the papers mentioned those at least once. ;)
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:36 AM
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13. It's about freakin time!
The dam needs to bust open on this bullshit! Bush, get the fuck out of Kerry's house!!!
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:12 AM
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25. Or out of Al Gore's house.
Depends on your perspective, but we agree, in principle.

-Laelth
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:50 AM
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15. Now Bev Harris says they're not gonna run it
Please email them and thank them for the decision to run it and tell them you are very concerned because you heard they're not now. Tell them to please please please report this story.


[email protected]
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:37 AM
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19. That isn't quite what she said. She said her own interview was
canceled, but that does not necessarily mean there won't be any coverage of the story. Olbermann posted his blog about his intention to cover the story AFTER Bev got that call from the producer about her own appearance on the show, according to what she wrote in that thread.

It's a good idea to remind Olbermann how concerned we are about this story getting attention, but I hope people aren't sending him hate mail because they misread what Bev posted.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 05:51 AM
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16. I love you Olbermann
Please forgive me for failing in my civic duty to vote for you in Playgirl's newsguy poll.

I could kick myself.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:11 AM
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17. He IS quite lovely to look at!
:9
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:28 PM
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30. Even more lovely to listen to.
Eh, what?
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:43 AM
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20. so what's the deal with Nader Vs. New Hampshire (recount)?
Is that a dead issue?
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:43 AM
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21. a SANE person!!
I am not the last SANE person!

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:45 AM
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22. Had to email him and thank him. Will add him to the list on my site
-----------------------------------------------------------
Support Cobb, Nader, and Badnarik as they pursue recounts!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:01 AM
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26. Olbermann is probably not the one to decide whether or not this story runs
Pleading with him will have limited effect.

MSNBC is owned by General Electric.
One of the largest arms manufacturers around.
It's not like they don't have an interest in having a guy in the WH who likes war, so they don't have an interest in exposing the election as a fraud.

You might want to contact GE's top brass to have m run this story.
At least they'll be mildly surprised to get such requests.
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:20 AM
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28. Well-my e-mail to him bounced back
anyone else have the same problem?
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:24 AM
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29. Do you really think GE would have that much clout?
I mean Keith's program is very profitable to MSNBC. I remember election night when he made it very CLEAR to everyone who he supported. He was reporting that Virginia, (or some state like that) had repealed the law that said liquor could only be sold in one ounce bottles. His reply was something like, "That's really good news for us on this panel tonight"
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