OMG! Look what I found in Old Testament, Leviticus 18:22 too!

[Lex]

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Please read below:

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When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1: 9 ). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21 : 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15 : 19-24 ). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Thanks for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


Excerpted from "A Letter to Dr. Laura"
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

[lovedems]

1. I haven't laughed this hard since November 1!!!!!!!

This is terrific!

[Lex]

2. .

:hi:

[cornermouse]

3. They killed a lot of people back then.

Better plan to give up ham, bacon, pork steak. Pigs are another no-no.

[MnFats]

4. Believe it or not, there is a "Christian Reconstructionist" movement...

...that wants to reinstate all of that.
...death by stoning for impudent children, slavery...the whole crazy ball of wax.

do a google on 'Christian Reconstructionist MOvement" and you'll see.
some of them have friends in high places, too.

[RoyGBiv]

17. Oh, I believe it ...

Tom Coburn, who has expressed his appreciation for this "movement," will be a US Senator in the next Congress.

[arcane1]

20. do they call themselves the Taliban?

:shrug:

[AndyTiedye]

27. Talibornagains

[arcane1]

29. same bigotry, same hate, different clothes

:evilfrown:

[DuaneBidoux]

28. My word, and a word I hope catches on, is Christofascists

[nookiemonster]

5. Great work!!

Those silly fundy right wingers always leave out the little details, don't they? Cherry picking works best for them, ya know, like intelligence.

This post needs to be KICKED!! :kick:

[Lex]

9. Also this is a nice book to read as well on the topic

of cherry picking by the religious right.

"The Good Book" by Peter Gomes. "Peter Gomes, pastor of Harvard University's Memorial Church and a professor of theology, has written a vivid, common sense and wise analysis of what the Bible means for us today."

You can read about the book here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060088303/qid=1099875258/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-4750960-1659017?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

[funky_bug]

6. This is awesome, Lex. On a similar note...

Hubby and I went to Lewis Black's show in Orlando last night. He was talking about the religious right and made one of the greatest points. He is Jewish and said, quite simply:

The Old Testament: That's OUR book. You Christians need to stop trying to interpret our book. You wrote your OWN book - if our book is so great, why didn't you INCLUDE it in your book? You don't see our rabbi's standing up on Saturday trying in interpret YOUR book, so tell your ministers to stop trying to interpret ours. You Christians, your God is a cool guy. I can see myself playing a round of golf with Him, but our God, He's a prick. Job anyone? Then He had us wandering around the desert for 40yrs only to say, "Ha ha, you can't come in...kiss my ass.

He was awesome, AND he made some great points!

[Lex]

15. I love seeing Lewis Black on The Daily Show.

Sounds like you caught a really good show.

[Dem2theMax]

35. lmao!

I LOVE Lewis Black. He is my favorite on The Daily Show.
OK, JON :loveya: is my #1 favorite, but Lewis is right behind him.
I so look forward to his rants. lol. I hope he comes out my way sometime. Would love to see him in person.

[mzmolly]

7. ROTFLMAO. Check this out ...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm

This issue is not settled by the christo-facist interpretation of the bible.

[RoyGBiv]

31. Interesting thought ...

From that website:

"Bible publishers are under strong economic pressures to turn a profit."

I love discussing varities of translations with the kin folk Bible thumpers. Gets 'em all wound up in knots. For some reason, this little tidbit has never entered my head before, at least not in modern terms. (I often go off on King James' version and its influence on politics.) I'm almost looking forward to Thanksgiving and the inevitable Bible argument now.

[progdonkey]

8. Aaron Sorkin used that in an episode of the West Wing...

Season 2, Episode 3, "The Midterms" Martin Sheen delivers the list as only he can.

(In case you're wondering, Sorkin has been very open that he copied it from that letter.)

Edit: Oh, the snopes article mentioned it....:dunce:

[highplainsdem]

19. Saw that. It was brilliant.

[truthpusher]

10. Engage in as much homosexual sex as possible!! Here's why:

from another post:

Next time some idiot brings this passage up - tell them that you proudly engage in as much homosexual sex as humanly possible, and here's why:

Leviticus 18:22 states: "Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination." The term abomination (to'ebah) is a religious term, usually reserved for use against idolatry; it does not mean a moral evil. The verse seems to refer to temple prostitution, which was a common practice in the rest of the Middle East at that time. Qadesh referred to male religious prostitutes. (See the discussion of Deuteronomy)

Leviticus 20:13 states: "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death....". The passage is surrounded by prohibitions against incest, bestiality, adultery and intercourse during a woman's period. But this verse is the only one in the series which uses the religious term abomination; it seems also to be directed against temple prostitution.

These passages are part of the Jewish Holiness Code which also:

permits polygamy
prohibits sexual intercourse when a woman has her period,
bans tattoos
prohibits eating rare meat
bans wearing clothes that are made from a blend of textiles
prohibits cross-breeding livestock
bans sowing a field with mixed seed
prohibits eating pigs, rabbits, or some forms of seafood
requires Saturday to be reserved as the Sabbath

Churches have abandoned the Holiness Code; it is no longer binding on modern-day Christians. They can wear tattoos, eat shrimp, wear polyester-cotton blends and engage in temple prostitution without violating this particular section of the Bible. Although this code is obsolete for Christians, many clergy still focus on those passages which deal with homosexuality.<1>

I got this from Whosoever.org http://www.whosoever.org/bible/lev18.html

[quaoar]

30. Indeed

Much of Leviticus was set down as law by Moses as the Jews were wandering in the desert in order to differentiate them from the pagans they encountered and to ensure their culture was not absorbed or diluted.

[alexisfree]

11. all of above...

fits my neighbor's profile........piss me off!1:mad:

[ClintonTyree]

12. Hey..............

if God said it then I guess we MUST follow his will. We can't just pick and choose what religious laws we enforce. I'd better not see a Fundie eat shrimp at the all you can eat buffet on a Sunday or I will smite that SOB in a heartbeat.
:eyes: It just goes to show what total bullshit these people believe in. If I've offended any DUer who is a practicing Christian, I'm sorry. I was raised in a religious home, attended Catechism class and decided on my own that it was all a myth and pure BS. Hey, the joke may be on me in the end, who REALLY knows? :shrug:

[bubbismith]

13. Christians are not subject to the law anymore...

Unfortunatly most of the evangelical-right-wingers don't follow this... Especially verse 4 below...

Romans 10:1-4
10 Brothers, the goodwill of my heart and my supplication to God for them are, indeed, for their salvation. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge; 3 for, because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.

So, the golden rule prevails now... The born agains are talked about above... they have a (radical) "zeal" for God, but not with accurate knowledge, they just want it their way, and to force their ideas down everybody's throat. But since they do it that way, they are really trying to establish their own righteousness instead of the real righteousness of God.

[idiosyncratic]

22. I like these verses also

In Hebrews, Chapter 8, some Old Testament verses are reiterated.

One says:

The time is coming, declared the Lord,
     when I will make a new covenant

<snip>

I will put my laws in their minds
      and write them on their hearts
I will be their God,
     and they will be my people.
No longer will a man teach his neighbor
     or a man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord,"
because they will all know me,
     from the least of them to the greatest.


Bringing up "laws" from the Old Testament is not the "Christian" thing to do . . .

[MercutioATC]

23. Actually it's because the New Testament supercedes the Old Testament.

Christians get their doctrine from Christ who esentially changed many of the rules in the Old Testament. It's a funny thread, but Christians aren't bound by many of the rules in the Old Testament.

(personally, I think it's all silliness...)

[Djinn]

24. yet they quote it all the bloody time?

[MercutioATC]

25. If you'll notice, they don't quote much out of the Old Testament

except for the 10 Commandments.

...I know, sounds kinda self-serving to me too...

[Djinn]

26. actually almost every Christian

I've ever heard claiming that "God hates fags" or the nicer more fluffy version "love the sinner hate the sin" quotes Leviticus, probably because they know bugger all else of the Bible (old or new), I actually had a hilarious argument with one when I pointed out all the other nasties contained within Leviticus, he then went on about Jesus coming to save makind etc so we no longer need to stone our daughters if they're not virgins etc - but according to him we weer DEFINETLY meant to keep the "god hates fags" bit of Leviticus, Jesus appaerntly only "updated" the bits that might have applied to him! LOL

Personally I find religion hilarious and tragic all at once, but I'm not going to tell other people what to beleive I just wish they'd have the same courtesy

[gospelized]

14. ohhhh

dobson was on one of the talking head shows this morning talking about how homosexuality is wrong.

he was wearing glasses.

[idiosyncratic]

16. I love that! Thanks for the laugh. n/t

[Lex]

18. Well, the thread was in response to a now-locked thread.

I hope I didn't tick the Mods off by starting this thread.

If so, I guess they can smite me properly.

I just hate seeing that Leviticus verse put out there with no context at all.

[orpupilofnature57]

21. WAIT see thats it levi-jew , jesus-god and there is no mention

of HIS veiw on the subject,not fuckin once!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rockydem]

32. that is good stuff

Fundamentalism is selective - it matches their diseased view of the world.

[regnaD kciN]

33. A good technique...

Whenever a member of the hate brigade explains patiently why we have to fight the "homosexual agenda" because Leviticus clearly names it an abomination ("and you can't change The Word Of God!"), don't respond directly. Make it seem as if you're conceding their point. Then, as if changing the subject, tell them that the shirt or dress they are wearing is very nice. Ask them, casually, if it's a cotton/polyester blend (90% of the time, it will be). When they say yes, flip open the Bible to their already-quoted passage of Leviticus 18:22, flip a page over to 19:19 (if you're lucky, the edition of the Bible they own will have it on the very same page), and point out that, according to the very same book of The Word Of God, they are committing a sin, if not a downright abomination, by wearing such an item of clothing.

;-)

[donheld]

34. One of my All time favorites

I never tire of hearing/reading it. I, however, have long since tired of fundy's not getting it.

[NamVetsWeeLass]

36. ... fucking brilliant

No words to describe it other than those.