You all got Seventhson wrong...please consider.

[Deathadder]

I live in the same community as Seventhson. I met him while I was freezing my ass off standing in the freezing cold of winter handing out fliers and Cd's of the efforts of Dennis Kucinich. He is a man who works for the community, helping citizens stand up against corporate interest and a local corrupt system, and he is respected and admired by many in my community, normal men and women with normal jobs and lifestyle, of the people. When I became angry in the primary with the direction Kerry and the democratics were going with their campaign, I threatened to join Nader's efforts. It was seventhson who said no, that we need to stand behind John Kerry and his efforts, that it was important to help him defeat Bush to the very end. Seventhson is a kind and considerate man, a family man, a respectful man. He would never do anything as rude as send out nasty emails on a night as important as this election was...NEVER. He has always spoken well of this DU community, he would never want to sadden or angry this movement, he was loyal to DU and it's efforts to remove G Bush. Keep your thinking caps on people, they want movements like DU divided. The night of the election I wrote Skinner and told him, I would ride to Ohio and meet him, that we all would stand together in Ohio. I hate Bush, I plan on getting back on my feet and working to promote the ideas we share here at DU, but I also have no doubt there are moles here, it's why I stopped coming in Feb., but if you think Seventhson's son is the mole, is the freeped (what ever that is, how old are we people) well then this board is in trouble, cause your notice seems to have been given, they don't see a DU community during the next four years. Now I might get thrown off the board for this post ( and I do hope to god he isn't what you accuse him to be, because damn, that would really fuck my world, and they would have to be really good!!!!) But you need to investigate the matter and investigate it real good. In just doesn't add up.

[rockydem]

1. It does add up - the guy was a total loony

If I saw him on a thread I left because he flat out disgusted me.

And I have doubts about you too....

[shance]

17. Hey Rocky, why not spread doubts and rumors about me too?

You're seem like a creative person, come on, why not slander another DUer?

I will say, everything I read from Seventhson and that applied to him, appeared real,and seemed unmanufactured, and although I am reading what someone has written, I believe to be heartfelt and authentic. As much as he'd been here, that's hard to imitate for a prolonged period of time without a few flares flying.

He may have upset the apple cart because he was either too ahead of the game, or had a closet case of something else. I believe the prior proposal until otherwise vehemently convinced. I have no investment either way, other than hoping to contribute to the integrity of this board and defending a poster who I believe was wrongly nixed.

I have to say, it saddens and disheartens me that those, however passionate and/or outspoken, are scapegoated, ridiculed and/or wrongly accused because there are those who are afraid of what some may be saying, and moreover that it may in fact be true.

The truth speaks for itself and will always find its way through the fog. So if there are those that fear what Seventhson says, come forward, state your case and let Seventhson defend himself.

I personally believe he added alot to this board, and I may have missed some important threads, but show me otherwise, and again, let him state his case. I could certainly name a few, as others could, who are allowed to run roughshod and ruin threads and are granted free reign anyway. Perhaps that is why they smuggly continue their prickish behavior, or should I say prickettes****

Let the truth speak for itself, and I believe that includes being

fair. If these individuals are so intent on slamming a DUer, then let the games begin, and let Seventhson speak for himself.

I believe we have the ability to discern, that is, if it will be allowed.

[rockydem]

20. "ahead of the game"

bwahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!

The guy was a certifiable psycho.

[The Magistrate]

21. Oh, Do Give It A Rest, Sir

"Honey, I couldn't be prouder of you if you thought you were Napoleon."

[5thGenDemocrat]

31. I had him on my "ignore" list for the last six months or so

Makes perfect sense to me. About time he got found out.
John
I say let him die.

[Tweed]

2. Interesting....

Why hasn't he started up a new account and tried to make this plea himself (or maybe he has....)? Has he sent an E-mail to Skinner?

[Democat]

4. How do we know he didn't just to that?

See the first post in this thread. :)

[Eloriel]

7. How do we know he's available and free to do that?

I'm concerned about him. See my previous post downthread.

[Syrinx]

10. he already has his backup account

In existence since at least 2003, with 0 posts. "seventhsonrose." The guy is a freeper asshole.

[B. P. R. D.]

3. Here's An Idea, YOU investigate!

If you live in the same community, take the initiative and ask him what happened. Simple, eh?

[merh]

5. self delete

delete

[Eloriel]

6. Here's someone who doesn't believe the reports

Maybe I should, but like you, it would definitely fuck my world as well.

I never bought into the whole Skull & Bones thing, but I also never totally dismissed it. Beyond that one issue, though (about which I remain an agnostic until I have the chance and inclination to look into some of the available information), 7thSon brought an enormous amount of incredibly valid and important information to DU. For those who found him odd, weird, or simply not credible, I would just suggest you do a little more homework on those issues (perhaps including S&B) before you make that judgment. I see a lot of newer DUers (and some older ones as well) dismissing things they simply don't have a clue about, such as BBV issues. There's not a single thing I know of that Seventhson brought to DU or discussed at DU that was patently wrong.

As for the atrocious and vulgar emails some people received purportedly from him, I really think the issue of hacking needs to be considered as at least a possibility. I really do.

[merh]

9. delete

delete

[rockydem]

11. give me a break

that idiot spread lies and garbage all over these boards...

ever see his blathering about MN being nuked????

He was/is a disgusting piece of fascist garbage who feeds off of spite and hate...

[shraby]

12. I never had a problem with 7thson either.

[Syrinx]

13. even when he posted the insults

Called us all "pillow biters" whatever the hell that is. And said "let real Americans rule America; God Bless Texas?"

[Julien Sorel]

22. High quality research.

Clark caused Haitian man breasts. In 2000 Kerry wanted to be Gore's running mate, so he could have him assassinated and become president in his stead. I could go on forever about this fuckfaced little vermin.


I used to have about a dozen of his more insane threads bookmarked, just so I could laugh at all his insane posts, and all the geniuses who chipped in and congratulated him for his "High quality research."

[rockydem]

26. Yep...

He was sick, twisted freak. Imagine what a loser he must be in real life.

Haitian man breasts? WTF?

[Syrinx]

8. get a new hobby

[Rowdyboy]

14. He spent much of the primary campaign using right-wing sources

to air cheap and spurious lies about Wes Clark. I very quickly learned to disregard anything he posted because it was almost always either some lunatic fringe tin-foil hat theory or taken from a rabidly right source.

He certainly did not present himself as one who would be "respected" in any intelligent community and I was not a bit surprised when he "unmasked" himself.

Good riddance.

[The Magistrate]

15. Hear Hear, Sir!

"It is wrong to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious."

[yardwork]

16. I saw one of the PMs that seventhson sent to another DUer

It was hatefully homophobic. I won't repeat it, but the message was that he hoped that the DUer who received it would "die of AIDS."

Does the seventhson you know feel that way about gay people? Ask him and find out. If you are certain he is not homophobic, then send a message to Skinner.

[merh]

18. self delete

n/t

[Deathadder]

23. I did email Skinner

Now I can tell you people I know for sure he didn't do it...BUT IT DOESN'T FIT HIS CHARACTER.

People in my community walk up to him and tell him the problems they are having. He helped the Indian community prove their lineage. His family is so respectful and peaceful,this dude is kind, if he did what was accused of him, then game over. We got into an argument about Nader, because Kerry pissed me off in the primary, and I didn't agree with the way he was running his campaign, he said you can't vote for Nader, right now you need to be all about Kerry. I smell a rat, just because you think it's him doesn't mean it is, if you people are wrong, then you are fucked, and if I'm wrong, well that's just fucked. But I was willing to ride to Ohio with Skinner and fight for Kerry til the end, and I am now ready to fight for 7thson and his plead that he is loyal to the DU community.

[Touchdown]

36. Two posts and the man is a tireless Saint!

Kind of reminds me of Mansoor Ijaz. You know, the "hero" who wanted to deliver to Bill Clinton Osama "on a silver platter" all by himself, with no witnesses or ccollaboration with the Sudanese government, and we're supposed to believe he's not a charlatain. Ijaz also singlehandedly helped the Americans take down the Taliban and negotiate with the Northern Alliance for us. Now he's a Fox News commentator. Ijaz get's around.

Now, concerning ss (strange initials, huh?), if he's done all those good deeds, and I'm sure you have more, then how did he find all that time to do research into man boobs and Skull and Bones theories? How did he find the time to spend hours on DU with multiple S&B threads?

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Wow. I must have missed something! What happened

with Seventhson?

[The Magistrate]

24. Well, Sir

He seems to have sent a number of forum members, mostly those involved with conspiracist views, obscenely gloating private messages over the result of the elections, proclasiming rightist allegiance within their contents. Some recipients have made these missives public over the last couple of days....

"Figures lie, and liars figure."

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Thank you, Magistrate.

I'm a Ma'am, BTW. ;)

Hmmm. I can't say I'm that surprised. He was on my shit list anyway. After what he did to Wes Clark during the primaries, anything he had to say held little weight with me.

[shance]

48. Bring your proof Lord Magistrate, if thou even hast a shred of such.

I wish you'd cut the bullsh**. Its tedious.

Many of us are growing tired of you guys throwing baseless accusations and ruining others presence here, while claiming some totally mythical moral authority. What a humorous joke. You guys conveniently are on the side of denigrating and distracting and closing quality threads while threatening and baselessly accusing other DUers. Show us the certifiable proof.

Im certain you will take your passive aggressive, spineless, rumor-mongering aggression out on me and/or anyone else who DARES to defend those like Seventhson, and Im certain you would like to sick your pack dogs, so do your back door work, cowards.

Seventhson has been slammed around here, and as it may or what is increasingly becoming doubtful that it is fair, hes certainly never had an opportunity to defend himself, which I believe at its core, is unfair, atleast not to even have him speak with those that own this website.

Im sure you Mr. Magistrate and Sangho will deeply appreciate this. He may be unpleasant to you and you may not like his opinions, why not just have the guts to tell him instead of engaging in such wasteful, spineless rumor-mongering and baseless attacks?

[The Magistrate]

65. Mr. Son Was Never Unpleasant To Me, Dear

Very few people are, you know.

He was somewhat unpleasant to wade through, and response required a degree of self-discipline often, but that is quite another matter. He was thoroughly wrong on just about every point he ever raised, and when commenting on matters of private interest to me, invariably pretended to knowledge he did not actually possess, and that would have been available to anyone who made any bit the most cursory examination of the subject.

The comments delivered privately are now a matter of public record, as several persons who received them have disclosed them to the forum in various discussions that have touched on the matter over the last few days. You may, of course, if you wish, continue to cling to some odd private definition of evidence by which that would not count.

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

[Zhade]

80. Shance, Minstrel Boy posted his PM.

It was pretty fucking bad.

I agree with you otherwise, though not about Magistrate.

[ethereal]

25. gee

i'm so relieved that we're all standing together in this difficult time. freeps are exulting right now. take it to pm, ppl.

[vetwife]

27. No....I saw some of that junk...If he wasn't a freeper he should have been

[Deathadder]

29. here...

I only just found out about 7thson too. I stopped coming to DU back in FEb, because of all the hateful dialogs going around, from Kerry people shitting on Kucinich people, but 7thson always stood up for Kerry when it was about Kerry vs Bush, and he always though DU was great to get our party up and strong for the fight, here is our instant message dialog for less than an hour ago til now.

: how many months into Nixon's second term before he took the big fall?
Seventhson: about 20
: here's to history repeating itself, I only to get a website this month, I'd figure I'd better join the league of troublemakers, the thin line of crackpots who will try and give this admin. hell
Seventhson: great
: plus people I didn't want to win locally lost, though they did sneak that yes/no question on devlopment in
Seventhson: Some freeper imitating me got me banned at DU
: what happened? jesus, three days later and Skinners back to his old ways
Seventhson: development - in NL?
Seventhson: I don't know -- but I am pissed because somebody totally using my name sant nasty dumails to everyone election night and I was booted.


Seventhson: They now think I am a freeper and was a mole for years
: yeah, remember how a few months back they had the yes/no vote on the budget, and everyone voted no because they were giving money to projects for outside corps and projects that would have land taken away and such
: well, they snuck in a yes/no qquestion to a 5 year commitment to devlopment and creation, which would loophole everyone's no vote to yes, it was tucked away at the top of the machine, and in certain sectgion's of town, not on the ballot at all
: wow, someone did that to you
: which is crazy, because you were totally about compromisings for the moment and helping to get Kerry elected
Seventhson: Typical NL politics.


Yes Serious Bush Nazis to discredit me. Have you been on DU yet recently? Would you post in the Ask the Adminstrators that I have been in contact with you. that you know me and that I was set up. I am like poison. It is what was called in the 60's "badjacketing" FBI would infiltrate and blame a regular activist for being a mole.
: there's a mole alright, but it ain't you, someone figured using your name would really help break down moral and get people angry
Seventhson: I hated Kerry and hate him more than ever the way he capitulated. But it was all about beating Bush to me. who is worse than Hitler in many ways.
Seventhson: Would you do that for me?
Seventhson: Just go on ask the administrators. Say you know me and that I was set up and ask them to investigate.

They are not responding to me and folks I thought were my friends there will not even respond at all. They are afraid it is true.
: yeah, I will. I'll do it within the hour, though I wouldn't be surpised if it wasn't one of the mods who did it, and is doing it, DU always came off as funny to me, though I told skinner I would go to OHIO with him, but I could tell that place was full of plants, but I will give it a shot for you, for I know how you feel about using DU for your message...
: wow, it reminds me of Bush's first day in office, and that info leaked about J. Jackson having a kid out of wedlock and using his coalition's money to pay for the child's support, the hate list and tricks are already up and going, I'll contact them tonight, in about 10 minutes, shit, right now, wish me luck
: This is serious because if they are willing to go that far to discredit me (and they are somehwere laughing their asses off that they pulled one over on DU) they are certain that I present a threat to them. In some ways I am honored to be the victim of such a dirty event because it means my message works and threatens them.
: It may get you in trouble there. They will think you are with me and a freeper too.

I have sent evidence to Skinner documenting who I am. Phone number, everything.

Thank You.
: if I do, I do
: If you are brave enough will you post on a general discussion and say that I and DU were set up by freppers dirupting?

That is going out on a limb for me. But at least folks there will know. There are some pretty significant folks there (Symbolman from Takebackthemedia.com) and William Pitt from Truthout. com and Tom Paine all thought I was alright and now think I am a freeper.
: Thanks. That is what activism is about. Being a vet - I am sure you get it. Blackops Thanks.
: yeah, I'll post, we'll see what happens, right?
: I am going to DU (I can read but cannot post or access dumail etc.)see the response you get if any.
: I'm logging in now
: me too
: your user name is just seventhson right?
: Yes. And I use it as my password too so someone either igured it out or somehow gamed the system.
Seventhson0: interesting that on election eve someone emailed me (email address NOT DU) from the Kerry forum asking if I was the same person. I wonder oif THEY were infiltrated and got my user info anf sent something LOOKING like me.
Seventhson: Democratic Underground Forums - DUers: keep the faith - we're being freeped

Here is the thread where I am "outed" as a freeper.

I did NOT do these things.
: cool, I read it, I'm writing your plea in GD now
Seventhson: Thanks also do a mirror thread in the ask the administrators forum (bottom left second to last forum_ so the admins will look at it. GD may get locked by a dumb mod due to the "no discussion of bannings or posters" rule.

Thanks for trying . This has really been upsetting because they accused me of \saying homophobic and nasty things in private dumails to FRIENDS I have had there - including Symbolman who does the Bush-Nazi flash videas and did the "Army of One" vid for moveon.org competition (top ten fin
: the names in the early part of the post, do you know them?
Seventhson: minstrel boy and god_bush_n_cheney are friends

I do not really know the others.

I have, howver, been getting harassed by the onme known as SanghO for the past week or so after Delmart Vreeland was arrested
: arrested for what?
Seventhson0: That is a long story

can it wait?

He was a guy who claimed to be navy intelligence and predicted 9-11. He was seeking asylum in Canada and disappeared a year ago or more. Shows up arrested last week claiming there was to be an attack on the Twin Cities before the election. Arrested on various fraud and other charges
Seventhson: Minstrel boy, God_Bush_n_Cheney and I had a battle with Sangh0 over whether it was for real and Sangh0 baited me constrantly telling lies about me. I dumailed minstrel bnoy and GB&C and trtied to rally support for them (Vreeland had called GB&C personally after his arrest)
Seventhson0: anyway THAT is a longer story that went on for about a week LAST Week. It was nasty and brutal,

AFTER that whoever frepped me sent the NASTY emials to God Bush N Cheney and Minstrel Boy and many others apparently saying nasty things reflected in this thread.
Seventhson: Would you dumail them for me and say they were a fraud and feel free to send them my email address and I can give them proof I am NOT a freeper and thatr my story is true?
Seventhson: That the DUMAILS were a fraud (NOT Minstrel Boy and GB&C = God Bush N Cheney)
: email which dudes again?
Seventhson: Minstrel Boy and GB&C = God Bush N Cheney)

and Be here now (who was on my side too)

I know this is a lot to ask but this shit is seriously destroying all my credibility built up over years with many of these folks.
Seventhson: and Symbolman (they ALL posted on this thread so you can just hit their dumail symbol and send them each the same message. That I was set up by the freepers and did NOT send the emails and that I have proof pof who I am (and you can give thme my email address at AOL.
Seventhson: Interesting responses already.

Eloriel is on my side. These others are NOT.

Freepers are "Free Republic" types. Right wing assholes. They have a board like DU called freerepublic.com on the extreme right. Gun promoters, fascists, racists, anti-DUers, etc.

I think I sent you info about myself. I even have an inteview at NPR that's onl;ine with me if you have any doubts at all
Seventhson: A Freeper is what they are trying to paint me as.
: do you have their email addresses, I can't get through, I'm emailing all kinds
Seventhson: Thank You Thank You Thank You.

Please try to post in the "ask the administrators forum" as at least that will get a formal look from Skinner. Ask for him by name (bite your tongue and it will be okay)


How idiotic would I be if I WERE a mole or a freeper to expose myself BEFORE Kerry had conceded anyway. This was done to demoralize and divide DUers (at least the cool ones). And let the real freepers discredit me there on all my viewpoints.

It is scary what a mob will do when they turn on you.
witch hunt
Seventhso: dumail --- right on each post is a letter symbol with a link to send them private mail through the du system
Seventhson: someone used my user name and must have figured out my password BUT the IP address (my computer id) will NOT be the same (unless they someohow hacked my computer and sent it via my system which, with file sharing, is a very real possibility which must be looked into if the IP address is the same.

But nobody will talk to me., I am poison and they are afraid

[vetwife]

34. So what are you saying? Who sent me the gloat and what about

the conservative site on Saturday night where Seventhson was mentioned. Many of us were mentioned but what about the emails? Several Duers got the emails. I always took up for Vets. Why hit me? Are you saying he was freeped with his name..What about his IP addy?

[Eloriel]

75. Vetwife --

The worst thing about Seventhson was that for SOME (mostly poorly informed IMO) tastes here he is a "conspiracy theorist." You surely know ME as a conspiracy theorist as well. As I said elsewhere, I never did quite get into the Skull & Bones thing, but I have never dismissed it either. And the REASON is that there are far too many things I once upon a time dismissed as "conspiracy theory" that have been borne out and then some. I no longer dismiss ANything out of hand, including Skull & Bones stuff.

I know a little about his background, and some of it is alluded to in the chat transcript (or at least that's what it looks like) posted elsewhere in this thread. There are no inconsistencies that I know of. He has been concerned, and for good reason IMO, about his safety and security for some time.

I am personally not willing to just chalk all this up to him being a freeper -- it just doesn't jive with what I know bout him from his PMs and his posts here at DU (despite all the gnashing of teeth and carrying on by a few DUers, most of whom are far newer to DU than Seventhson or even me).

Please remember that it's not all that difficult for your computer to be hacked (and Seventhson mentions file sharing software which no doubt DOES increase the vulnerability), and probably not impossible for DU itself to be hacked. If Seventhson's password was the same as his name, that was plain stupid, and almost an invitation for someone to guess or hack it and use it for their own purposes. What better way to discredit someone than hack their password and send nastygrams to anyone whose PM address is available in their inbox?

Those are my thoughts. I could definitely understand if you don't buy them -- getting a PM like that has to be shocking, disgusting, and alarming. However, had I myself gotten one, after my initial shock I still would've come to the probably conclusion that someone had hacked his computer or guessed/stolen his password. YMMV.

And nothing I've read on this thread sways my opinion in the least. Most of the naysayers aren't terribly well-informed, IMO, either about Seventhson or the issues he routinely posted about with considerable expertise.

I may someday be proven very wrong. I hope not. In the meantime, I am myself proud to stand by Seventhson despite outward appearances. I know what I've seen of him over many, many months -- probably as long as I've been at DU or nearly as long. Considering the strong possibility (probability?) of hacking, the jury is absolutely still out IMO and my OWN experience of Seventhson takes precedence. If more "evidence" comes in, I'll weigh that too.

Again, YMMV.

[vetwife]

85. Well, did you read Will's weighing in ?

I have my own opinion about 7th son. I think he may be disturbed. I know that the emails were pretty bad and what I saw over on those conservative sights were dangerous. Like Will, some wanted to do me harm. Divide and conquer DU is the motive here now. You know I am fair and I do believe in being hacked. I just know that I am not one to call a person out but once I am fairly convinced a person is not what they appear, it is hard to change my mind and conspiracy has nothing to do with it. I did not out him. But I stand by my gut feeling. I truly feel sorry for him, even if he was hacked, the stuff he wrote Will was disturbing.
We all believe in different things and it is not about the S & B or any of that. Its the emails and what I saw on the conservative sites.

[Zhade]

86. I have to say, his description of a certain attacking poster rings true.

I have NO idea what's going on, so the jury's out for me, too, but if he did send those PMs to MB and GBC, man.

[T Town Jake]

38. Reading this little missive, one thing stands out: "Eloriel is on my side"

...that pretty much says it all, and sums it up. I'm doubly glad he was tombstoned now.

[shance]

58. Oh really Jake, and who are YOU?

Eloriel has contributed a tremendous amount to this website, and so far I have yet to see you offer up even an ounce to what she has offered.

How rude and what a divisive, juvenile post you made.

[The Magistrate]

40. Oh, Good Lord, Mr. Adder

The comedy is tremendous, and while it is true there is a sucker born every minute, the populace is really not all that thick with them....

"Honey, I couldn't be prouder of you if you thought you were Napoleon."

[T Town Jake]

30. Allow me to call bullshit, and cheerfully tell you that...

...I "got" Seventhson all right: he was a troll, a disruptor, and, going by his posts, a conspiracy-monger and idiot to boot. It's as plain as that.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

32. "It just doesn't add up"?

Your post also doesn't add up, especially considering how few posts you have.

Really, nice try. Very nice.

[Pastiche423]

33. I 1st cyberly "met" Seventhson

in November 2001 on the SmirkingChimp website. Throughout the following years, he and I exchanged a PM or two.

It boggles my mind how anyone could keep up a facade for that long, or why one would want to.

It seems to me that someone(s) has an agenda regarding Seventhson for some reason that we are not privy to.

I do wish Skinner would chime in here as to anything he knows.

I simply can't believe I was conned for three years.

[Eurobabe]

35. sorry but I remember THAT guy from smirkingchimp

from way back in 2000/2001 and he was always a half-bubble off plumb.

[vetwife]

37. I too was a member of Smirking Chimp and guess what !

That conservative site said this freeper whomever had been on S/C so long he had a room full of bananas. Now there were some there who claimed to be here since 2002. I remember 7ths Son from Smirking Chimp. I never did talk with him that much but I think I still have some private chimp mail over there. I was on that conservative site the other night and so was other duers and some others who were infuriated to see our posts being screenshot and private pics going up over the web. Something else, the fun that was made of Marie 333 is what prompted my visit over there. I remember being realy nice but something does not fit here, especially with the emails. Seventhson does not add up and God knows I will give any vet a break !

[UpsideDownFlag]

39. who the hell was this guy, and why does anyone give a good goddamn....

about him?? if he was a freeper, then he wasted, truly, a whole helluva lot of his time, and we should be laughing at him.

if he wasn't, maybe he shoulda chosen his words more carefully, or guarded his password, or whatever the hell.

[Spider Jerusalem]

42. Either a sad, lonely man with too much time on his hands...

and a heart full of hate, or an utter madman who by rights ought to be heavily medicated and kept in a nice cosy padded room where he can't injure himself. Recent events have shown him to likely be the former, while his previous "contributions" to discussion in these forums would lead a reasonable, rational person to believe the latter.

[Deathadder]

45. You know it's funny

7thson's son never even hinted to use the sort of language used in the now famous election night emails, but many of you do, many of you are using it not to shoot 7thson down, many of you used that sort of nasty and fowl language against people during the primary who were for Kucinich, or for Dean, or for...my point is, the reason why I stopped coming here in Feb was because many of you were acting like true bush supporter hiding in Kerry or DU, or Democrat clothing, using all sort of nasty words and attacks, but not 7thson, keep an eye out DU for the real bad guys, before they close this whole site down, I think big brother has targeted this site, like how Jesse Jackson was targeted and expose to have a kid out of wedlock on the day Bush took office. Goodluck 7thson getting back into DU, but are you really sure it's safe for you here now, seems to be too many haters here to give a man a fair chance to defend himself and his country.

[UpsideDownFlag]

46. single most incoherent thread i've ever read.

why don't you and this sonny fellow go and play outside? too much blogging is bad for the mind.

[shelley806]

41. I've only been logging on to DU since the debates, but one of the first

posts I responded to was seventhson's, and I remember nothing controversial or offensive about it at all...in fact, quite the contrary. I recall being grateful that he had a name that it would be easy for me to remember. Surely the administrators can search his old threads and see if these accusations are warranted on the basis of what he has written in the past. It would be really sad to blame him for something he didn't do.

[The Magistrate]

43. He Is Well Known, Ma'am

You may trust old lags and Administrators on this one....

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. You should have been here for the primaries.

I blame him and his cohorts (who now post under different names) with ruining Wes Clark's campaign. There were days where they would start 5, 6, 7 threads about how evil and bad Clark was. The crap he posted about Clark was just that, crap. Seventhson knows how I feel about him because I've told him.

At the time he was posting his slanderous crap about Clark, DU had rules that you couldn't say anything bad about a poster, you would get warnings and after so many warnings you were banned from DU. Since the rules were such, he got away with a lot of bullshit posts and took advantage of it.

[WilliamPitt]

44. I got this email from him yesterday

I made several edits to protect his real identity, or at least the identity he offered me.

===

From: Seventhson****@****.com
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:03:40 EST
Subject: Can you forward something to William Pitt?

I was the victim of a freeper setup at DU.

I need your help.

Someone using my name (and presumably password) sent nasty emails to a number of people election night.

I DID NOT DO THIS.

Now you and I have not always seen eye to eye, but I have shared some personal info about myself and I am NOT a freeper.

I did not do what it is claimed I did.

I am emailing you because you have perhaps more respect at DU than any other poster.

As an investigative jopurnalist and writer I have been vicitimized by these bastards before.

But this time they got me banned from DU by posing as me and making me appear to be a homophobic freeper Bush supporter from Texas.

I am actually the son of a holocaust rescuer from ***********

Nazis killed his friends and colleagues.

I need you to understand that this effort to destroy me at DU is being done by Bush operatives or supporters to discredit me and silence me. Death threats have not been enough. I keep my identity a secret because of these threats to me and to my wife and kids but I will share them with you.

My name is *********** ***********. I am an ******** and ******** in ***********.

PLEASE do not share my identity with others at DY but I am beinHAMMERED and have been banned because someone passed themselves off as me.

Here is the thread at DU on it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2582357#2582429

It is a TOTAL setup and I need your help to expose it otherwise it could happen to any of us there.

Would you post about this and ask Skinner to investigate the IP's to see WHO sent these dumails.

IT WAS NOT ME.

and unless the Bushes have somehow translitted a dumail through my IP address (which I suppose is a real possibility given their technology) I think I will be proven innocent by the IP address.

Thanks for listening. These are the kind of dirty tricks we can expect a lot more of now that Porter Goss is head of the CIA and Bush has his socalled "Mandate"

It is truly frightening.

===

So there's that. Raise your hand if you buy it.

P.S. Don't ask me for his name, or the name he gave me anyway. Not gonna happen.

P.P.S. It does seem mind-boggling that someone could keep up a convoluted facade for so long, putting in that much effort. Seems implausible. But a name popped into my head from the dim mists of time. A name of annoyance, of pitiable ridiculousness, a name you'll find as a synonym to 'Pathetic' in any Thesaurus.

There is one freeper I know who is dumb enough, yet sneaky enough, to pull this off. There is one freeper I know who lives online anyway, does nothing else but post Rushbabble on forums all day long and into the night. Pulling a 'seventhson' scam would only be sidework for this guy. Now that I think about it, the writing styles are pretty damned similar.

The freeper I'm thinking of is named TLBshow. Once upon a time, he threatened to blow my brains out. Food for thought here.

[UpsideDownFlag]

49. if we're going to believe that the Bushies are hacking...

it seems like they'd have a lot more important targets than DUers.

seriously, folks.

[WilliamPitt]

56. I made an edit to my post above, at the end. Read it. Important.

[UpsideDownFlag]

63. that is interesting info, but i don't see how it relates to the hacking...

?

[WilliamPitt]

66. Elementary, my dead JibJab

TLBshow = seventhson. Not an accusation, mind you. A theory. They are one and the same.

[UpsideDownFlag]

69. oh, ok. i gotcha.

sorry, it's three AM and all this interparty bitching compounds my already sore eyes.

[JI7]

52. HAHAHHAHAHAHHA

the dumb fuck is just too obvious

<"I am actually the son of a holocaust rescuer from ***********

Nazis killed his friends and colleagues."

"I need you to understand that this effort to destroy me at DU is being done by Bush operatives or supporters to discredit me and silence me. Death threats have not been enough. I keep my identity a secret because of these threats to me and to my wife and kids but I will share them with you.">



the asshole should have been banned long time ago considering his attacks on Kerry.

[WilliamPitt]

57. I made an edit to my post above, at the end. Read it. Important.

[Spider Jerusalem]

53. No hand raised here.

A tissue of lies, one suspects. Especially since the information given is clearly at odds with other information given in the past by the person in question, who claimed to be a "corporate attorney", if I recall correctly, and NOT an "investigative journalist and writer"; intimated that he was offspring of or related to an old-money Northeastern family (he was forever talking of his "blood ties" to the "Skull and Bones power elite", if memory serves), and now his father was a "Nazi hunter". Tsk. Can't even keep his story straight. Someone give that man some Haldol.

[vetwife]

55. Thanks Will, You get some real doozies don't you? By the way

how are you feeling since the brick incident? Hope you are OK.

[WilliamPitt]

61. I made an edit to my post above, at the end. Read it. Important.

P.S. Much better, thanks for asking. :)

[WilliamPitt]

59. I made an edit to my post above, at the end. Read it. Important.

[Spider Jerusalem]

74. Hmmm.

A quick Google search turns up about 14000 hits. Many posts by this "TLBShow" over on Free Republic and many other right wing forums. And I have to say, you're right. Not just the writing style, but I note some similarities in punctuation and one or two of the same misspellings. Which could be coincidence, and could be a sort of literary fingerprint. Either way, the theory seems to have some merit.

[rockydem]

78. Maybe TLBShow is Seventhson?

[Spider Jerusalem]

83. I was actually speaking to that possibility.

I can see some similarities there, but positive identification would require either comparison of extensive texts from both to discover patterns, or knowledge of IP addresses (always assuming he wasn't smart enough to use different proxy servers to mask his activities).

[Eloriel]

81. There's no inherent contradiction in any of that

His father was CIA in Europe after the war.

[rockydem]

60. "Bushies" trying to destroy him?

That's absurd. All he'd have to do is just log back on under a different name if he had some info. they were trying to stifle.

But the bottom line is that he had nothing of value to offer. His posts were always lame and pathetic. He was an obvious disrupter. If you truly have his name and identity he should be turned into the authorities so he can be committed.

[WilliamPitt]

62. I made an edit to my post above, at the end. Read it. Important.

[rockydem]

70. His story doesn't add up

Further if some freeper hacker wanted to 'out' a trusted DUers why wouldn't he chose someone else, someone more surprising? And why did this not happen with any other DUers? Shouldn't there be evidence of hacking as well that Skinner and Elad could point to - assuming it's true - and I doubt it is...

[T Town Jake]

67. "Raise your hand if you buy it"...

...I'll have to keep my hand down, since I don't buy a word of it - or anything else - "Seventhson" has ever written.

[Pastiche423]

73. My hand is raised!

And I am very ashamed and disappointed in some of the DUers on this thread.

[Sapphocrat]

47. Pffffffftttttttttt!

Oops, sorry, just spit coffee all over the monitor.

[Deathadder]

51. I'm sorry

I hate when I mess my computer area up, and feel your pain. But you just had to have coffee!!! (I'm going to brew a pot this second)

[ogradda]

50. for crying out loud!

he can email skinner and do any explaining that has to be done. what the hell can we do about it? even if you convince us he's the next best thing to white bread, no one here can reinstate him. sheesh.

[Deathadder]

54. I did email Skinner

But I also thought you'd all like to know games are being played, you could be the next pawn in the game, maybe not, but someone, if it's not 7thson is trying to fuck with your community, I'm trying to help, if you all want to go fucking banana's on me for trying to help, have at it. But when the "mole" (man that's childish and dangerous at the same time) strikes again, it is going to ruin the DU's day again, you know?

[Deathadder]

64. Goodluck

to both 7thson and the whole DU community, I'm leaving again, I had enough of the pointless arguing back at the end of the primary, I hope you guys can work together and not against one another, remember, Bush won't want to see communities like this during the next four years, but it's better for him if you destroy each other, so he can point for a far and say"My moral friends...these are the people I protect you from" later.

[The Magistrate]

71. Safe Journey, Dear!

"Honey, I couldn't be prouder of you if you thought you were Napoleon."

[UpsideDownFlag]

76. where's that quote from? nt

[WilliamPitt]

68. Wooo! White bread!!!

[JackieO]

77. I hope the Admins look into this

I seriously doubt that seventhson was/is an undercover freeper. I could be wrong, but I think at the very least the originating IP of those messages should be checked out. I'm on an email discussion list where people have had their email accounts forged by (?) for the singular purpose of causing division between activists.

[ibegurpard]

79. I saw the PM that reportedly came from him

If it DID truly come from him then how can there be any doubt? If it didn't, I don't know how it could be proved but it should be looked into.
He spent an incredible amount of time here FRANTICALLY trying to convince people of how dangerous Kerry was because of Skull and Bones only to turn around and jump right on the Kerry bandwagon. That was weird.

[rockydem]

82. That is bizarre

and quite frankly unexplainable...

[ibegurpard]

84. I was also warned by someone at another website long ago

who I trusted implicitly that the guy was bad news.