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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:45 AM
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BBV: Our position is that fraud took place.
Help America Audit

Our organization has taken the position that fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines. We base this on hard evidence, documents obtained in public records requests, inside information, and other data indicative of manipulation of electronic voting systems. What we do not know is the specific scope of the fraud.

We are working now to compile the proof, based not on soft evidence -- red flags, exit polls -- but core documents obtained by Black Box Voting in the most massive Freedom of Information action in history.

We need: Lawyers to enforce public records laws. Some counties have already notified us that they plan to stonewall by delaying delivery of the records. We need citizen volunteers for a number of specific actions. We need computer security professionals willing to GO PUBLIC with formal opinions on the evidence we provide, whether or not it involves DMCA complications. We need funds to pay for copies of the evidence.

There are certainly indications that a sting, or at least an investigation, is in play right now.

Strong indications that both Florida and Ohio would be flipped if election manipulations are rolled back. Some indication that fraud may have occurred in at least 30 states.

It's okay to use the "F" word. Fraud. You can say it in public. Pretty soon, they'll be saying it on TV. If no one else does it first, I'll be saying the "F" word on TV shortly.

Fraud.

Use the word.

It's okay, you can say it.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

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LightTheMatch Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:48 AM
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1. Sign me up.
What do I need to do in order to help you? Where do I sign up?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:52 AM
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4. Just go to her website
Click on the link. DONATE!! VOLUNTEER!

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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:03 AM
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12. That's what I have been saying........
There was massive fraud in many states. He wanted the popular vote this time so that he can have his so-call "mandate."
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:43 AM
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23. plus he wanted to beat his poppy and outdo ronnie - he's the kind
of guy who cheats in a game, and everyone playing knows he's cheating, and he knows everyone knows. . .

but when he wins (after cheating) he still gloats and struts, in the midst of everyone calling him 'cheater'
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #12
32. He wants a Man Date?
I thought he was against Gays?

Sorry folks, I know this is serious stuff but humor is the way I deal with this insane crap.
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #1
16. I want to note that even Dick Morris
thinks it's odd that the exit polls and the election results not matching is odd. Of course, he thinks it's the polls that are wrong.
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:48 AM
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2. Bravo! Let's get the word out!
Also, a repug suggested they will see if they can ban exit polls!!! I heard this on TV elections night too
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:49 AM
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3. I'm dumbfounded to think that OH and FL
could actually flip when the fraud is rolled back. That would put BBV in it's rightful place on the ash heap of history, which is even more important than unseating the latest machiavelli-come-lately. Thank you, BevHarris. :)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:53 AM
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6. If we can manage to flip OH and FL
We can flip others too. The will of the people was Kerry in a landslide.

I'm 110% on board Bev. Keep up the good work.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #6
26. Ohio OR Florida Would Give Kerry The Election
Rumor has it that New Mexico may have flipped already, but that
would just be an added bonus.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #3
31. Did Kerry fold, knowing that we the people would pick up the fight?
I'm still looking for the answer as to why he gave up so easily - in light of the fact that the fraud in Ohio is so blatent.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php

Kerry Won
Greg Palast
November 04, 2004


Bush won Ohio by 136,483 votes. Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of votes cast are voidedknown as spoilage in election jargonbecause the ballots cast are inconclusive. Palasts investigation suggests that if Ohios discarded ballots were counted, Kerry would have won the state. Today, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports there are a total of 247,672 votes not counted in Ohio, if you add the 92,672 discarded votes plus the 155,000 provisional ballots.

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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:52 AM
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5. haven't seen you in awhile. good to see you in action
and a public face on this again.

To me, the fraud occurring or not occurring in this election is now moot as far as any practical consideration for us and the results we now have to live with.

HOWEVER, if we can somehow go toward proving fraud or drawing enough lines toward fraud having occurred, it will bolster the arguments we have been promoting the last few days that WE WILL NOT REST until we have voter verified voting machines EVERYWHERE with a paper receipt and some type of external cross-check algorithm that can be run at any time for reconciliation.

I thank you and will join you in this quest. We got their attention. NOw we need to get their action. SOMEHOW we need to shake the rafters and get our elected officials to put together AIR TIGHT legislation for us. And there should be a roadmap for even better and more uniform, streamline voting on a national scale with OPEN SOURCE CODE!!!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #5
24. actually, the Constitution Says Nothing About "Concessions"
If it is proven that Kerry got more votes in Ohio or Florida before
the EC does its thing, those votes *could* be awarded to Kerry.

Either state will do, we're not picky.

If that *did* happen, then say hello President-Elect Kerry :party:
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #24
28. But good ole Jeb...
and his legislature will send another set of electors allowing 'em to send it to the Republican House. Mebbie Ohio is better?
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:18 PM
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125. Ahhhhhhhh -- but we have the answer for that threat
It is contained in David Boies book, which I am currently reading. He discusses in the Bush v. Gore portion the fact that Jim Baker threatened in 2000 to have the Florida legislature select a slate of electors should the recount by won by Gore. The Florida legislature would pick a Republican slate regardless.

On the day the Congress selects as "Election Day" -- this presidential election year, November 2 -- it is required by the Constitution that not only the people vote but that the slate of electors be chosen also. That slate of electors is determined by the state constitution. All state constitutions delegate that selection to the outcome of the popular vote (except Maine).

A state legislature can change the way the slate is selected only if it does that BEFORE the election. It is unconstitutional to change it AFTER the election. When Jim Baker looked into the television cameras and made that statement, he, as an attorney knew it was unconstitutional. Most of us, not being attorneys or Constitutional experts, did not know this. Because of David Boies book, we now do. Let them threaten that this time. We know how to fight it.

Thank you, David Boies. I do not think it is a coincidence he published his book AT THIS TIME. IT WAS JUST RELEASED ABOUT A WEEK AGO. I WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN THIS HAD I NOT READ THAT PORTION FIRST. He's a damn smart person.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:54 AM
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7. I agree. I'm with you. Thank you Bev! For EVERYTHING!!!!!
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Bravo, Bev!
From one Bev to another...
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:56 AM
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9. Donation on the way
Go get em' Bev. I knew we all were'nt crazy.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:58 AM
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10. I have followed the numerous and acrimonious threads...
...that have resulted of late whenever Bev Harris posts, and I would respectfully ask that everyone set aside their personal issues and their personal histories with Ms. Harris and the others who've been fighting among themselves almost as fervently as they've been fighting the fascists. If Bev Harris is right, she and her associates have an opportunity to strike an historic blow for democracy. If she's wrong, then we'll all know the truth.

In the meantime, let's all do whatever we can to support her efforts. I don't have any of the specific qualifications you need, Bev, but I can say the F word, and I don't currently know anyone better qualified than you to invoke it.

Fraud.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. FRAUD. Are there buttons? Everyone in my family will wear one.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #11
30. PM Nostamj and he will make buttons if you want them.
.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #30
49. who can make "black ribbon" magnets for our cars for BBV FRAUD and
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 10:23 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
also to symbolize the mourning for America and the death of democracy due to voter fraud? it is a way to raise money for BBV cause


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. Check with Nostamj and also Cronus
both have been making buttons and other items.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #49
61. black ribbon magnets and button now available


FRAUD too!



nostamj_online

scroll down for bulk (10, 100) at reduces rate on both items.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #61
80. Here's the one we need -- ASAP -- I can get funding to get it out
I can't make the red work.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/black_ribbon.jpe

middle needs to say "It's OK to say the "F" word"

Bottom needs to say FRAUD
Below needs to say Black Box Voting (.ORG)

If anyone can help with this, just post it here or email a TIF because we'd like this up before I go on TV today.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. I'll work on it....
red on black is tough but I have a couple of ideas...
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #80
89. here ya go Bev!


i have it in photoshop so it will be easy to do any tweaks you may want. sending the TIF to you now. :hi:
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Copperred Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #49
64. BLACK RIBBONS...


EXCELLENT IDEA.......BEV...
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:28 AM
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51. FRAUD buttons


I'd be happy to do another version with the BBV url but would need Bev's OK for that.

this design will be available in my online store soon (nostamj_online)

p.s. yes, I know I'm on 'break' but one thing I am doing is aggressively working on my store, my website and new graphic design projects to fill both... the break is from obsessive forum reading, etc.





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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #11
86. It's not "fraud," it's "fraWd."
Thanks to the DUer that came up with this :-) even though I can't remember your name.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:28 AM
Response to Reply #10
20. The truth can set ...
.. US ALL free. Nuf said.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:46 AM
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57. And a lil CLASS...
Not only does blackboxvoting.COM include links to Bev's email addy and the .ORG site, but this has been added:

Site News

Important!
We are NOT affiliated with Bev Harris!!!

The Black Box Voting Project, Plan Nine Publishing and David Allen are no longer affiliated with Bev Harris, nor she with us. Though we continue to make the BBV book available and David Allen''s name appears on the book, any donation here is used to defray our expenses, not hers or her foundation. If you wish to help Bev out, please go to her web site, www.blackboxvoting.ORG .

As Harris is currently solicting funds and there has been some confusion, we have removed our PayPal buttons to avoid any problem.


We are ALL in this together.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:03 AM
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13. It's so good to see you
Have you seen this thread yet?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The "F" word was used there as well. :D
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:08 AM
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14. Multiple organizations working on this.
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 02:19 AM by BevHarris
My bet is that we'll see the lawyers we've been hearing about coming forward shortly. Outstanding work by Kathy Dopp, if you haven't seen it yet. This work alone cries for a paper ballot audit of the optical scan counties in Florida.

Serious anomalies with central tabulators are showing up, in dozens of Florida counties.

The ludicrous flaw of the day is, of course, the Broward central tabulator that counted backwards.

This is an effort of many talented organizations. It would be a mistake to assume that the coming meltdown was caused only by Black Box Voting, though I must admit that we do kick ass. What you're going to see is the result of we, the people, collectively mobilizing to take back our vote.

Here's another thing, while you're letting the word "fraud" roll off your tongue: We do not have to accept a fraudulent election. Drop the idea that it's too late to correct this mess. We have a great country, and it is in our nature to roll up our sleeves and tackle tough challenges. We must not shy away from that now, in this critical time.

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting (.ORG)
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. well, I'm no expert so I'll defer to your knowledge on this. If private
groups and lawyers want to and can fight this...I support them. I really do.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. If you get caught stealing a car, you don't get to keep it.
Shoplifters don't get to take their booty home after they leave the detective's office.

Embezzlers are ordered to give the money back by paying restitution.

Our customs, when it comes to theft, are pretty clear cut.

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. kick
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. And vote stealing is a felony
In Georgia we were told it was terrorism, but let's don't call in Homeland Insecurity just yet.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #17
21. Thanks, Bev. I'm tired of this administration's "Gaslight" routine on us.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #14
44. Echo!!!!
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 10:05 AM by bigtree
Bev says:

"What you're going to see is the result of we, the people, collectively mobilizing to take back our vote.

Here's another thing, while you're letting the word "fraud" roll off your tongue: We do not have to accept a fraudulent election. Drop the idea that it's too late to correct this mess. We have a great country, and it is in our nature to roll up our sleeves and tackle tough challenges. We must not shy away from that now, in this critical time."

I'm gonna quote you endlessly on this.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #14
65. Lawyers will be coming forward shortly? Which lawyers are those?
"My bet is that we'll see the lawyers we've been hearing about coming forward shortly. Outstanding work by Kathy Dopp, if you haven't seen it yet. This work alone cries for a paper ballot audit of the optical scan counties in Florida."
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #14
69. Is there any way to get George Soros involved?
It seems that this would be a good way for him to contribute without appearing partisan - voting is a non-partisan issue.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #69
73. and there are unlimited contributions for recounts
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 11:52 AM by bullimiami
he could be our hero and finance the whole thing.

except for our contributions of course.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. I wasn't thinking so much about recounts
though that's a definite plus. I was thinking more of financial and legal support to get the FOIAs processed.
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Evelyn Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #69
120. Al Gore owes us his support on this
Al Gore owes us his support on this. We need a symbol of what is at stake. Can MoveOn ask Gore to deliver a speech on this? SOON? That would be sweet to hear. He could show charts with the points so well made on this site: http://www-personal.engin.umd.umich.edu/~asatanov/fraud /

Thanks BuzzFlash!
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:42 AM
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22. Mike Malloy spoke very strongly about this on Wednesday::
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 02:44 AM by bumbler
http://homepage.mac.com/katyk128/MalloyShow -(03-11-2004).mp3
(edit: seems the link broke at the hyphen. Copy and paste)

Listen, if you have time. The message is getting out. Others on AAR have said the same, as has Mike Webb on KIRO and probably others.

And for those who want to help, the BBV donation link is: http://www.eservicescorp.com/form.aspx?fID=912
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #22
45. test reply
computer problems
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #22
70. YES--definitely listen to it! As I said in another thread,
he scared the daylights out of me. He puts the information together and delivers it well. (And boy, was he mad.) Go Mike!

-wildflower
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:19 AM
Response to Original message
25. Put Stock Donation Info On Your Donations Page
You get bigger donations that way, because less gets eaten in taxes.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:26 AM
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27. With all due respect, Bev
we've heard this before and yet BBV continues to languish in the realm of "conspiracy theory" for a big portion of the public, the media, and the politicians.
I don't believe this because I've seen the opinions of the scientists. But this is going to have to be something so incredibly undeniable and earth-shattering that NO ONE will be able to deny it.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. Indeed.
:kick:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
79. NYTimes Did Regular Articles On BBV On Editorial Page
and Paul Krugman did a piece as well.

Democrats mentioned O'Dell's comments about delivering Ohio during the Campaign.

Just saying....
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
118. What was it Gandhi said?
First they laugh at you . . . then . . .
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:52 AM
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33. 40 Million people voted on Diebold. The opportunity was ripe
mark Crispin Miller asked people to support this - finanially and volunteering just now on AAR
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:15 AM
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34. Go Bev!
I can't wait to hear this in the media. They've all reverted to the foolishness that the exit polls must have been flawed. and stopped there. I look foward to helping further any and all efforts to uncover and remedy the fraud in this election.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:21 AM
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35. Woo hoo!
Thanks Bev. Why do you think it's so silent now? I'm very ignorant, since I'm boycotting the corporate media, but it seems like they're just ignoring the issue.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. From Bev's post #14.......
"My bet is that we'll see the lawyers we've been hearing about coming forward shortly."

I hope and pray this means what I think it means...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:27 AM
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37. Go, BEV! *big hugs*
-----------------------------------------------------------
FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform...
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:31 AM
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38. I certainly don't need to tell ...
people how important this is. We know. But, it's even more important in light of Bush's horrible comments after the election. The threats against the Dems, the "with us or against us" mentality, the "mandate" for his programs (which he didn't even talk about during the campaign) he is trying to claim. We must shine a light on the illegitimacy of this election.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:53 AM
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39. Bev, the clock is ticking. We have until December 13th to raise hell.
On December 13th, the electors convene in each state capitol to officially record their votes for President.

If the veil of legitimacy isn't pierced by then, it may be too late.

Can you use this deadline to gain expedited hearings in the courts, if needed? Otherwise, GOP officials will just continue to stonewall and obstruct at every turn to run out the clock.

December 13th. We have 5 weeks to save our democracy.

-MR
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:02 AM
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42. Wasn't it Gore Vidal who predicted ...
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 10:35 AM by yowzayowzayowza
a coupla weeks ago that Kerry would win but not be allowed to take office? How prescient!

On edit: It was monday, which seems like a coupla weeks ago...

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/11/int04057.html

Gore Vidal: John Kerry will win it. Oh, but put the question the other way around, because Americans never vote for anybody -- whom will they vote against? They will vote against Bush, which means Kerry will be elected by the popular vote. The problem is that Kerry may never be allowed to be president. All of the plots that were in line during the 2000 election are still there, from the purge list of supposed felons to computer touch screen voting and so on. There could be a series of lawsuits going on for 10 years after this election, during which time they will probably declare martial law and well just all try to get along together, and well keep everybody in office the way they are.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:01 AM
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40. Bev do you think they could have stolen more than 3 million?
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 10:01 AM by Stephanie

Because that's what it's going to take to convince people. An elecotoral college majority won't do it - it has to show Kerry won the popular vote. Did they steal that many, do you think?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:31 AM
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53. What I think and what we can prove are not quite the same
I think the mechanisms were in place to steal at least 20 million votes.

Documentation, in the form of internal machine audits and copies of polling place tapes, along with other kinds of data like documents that the number of votes cast exceeded the number of registered voters by very significant amounts, along with documentation that indicates remote access security features were disabled for the specific systems that counted around 40 million votes (number is mushy as we are pulling in the docs showing who used modems and who pulled the plug on them) -- well, this documentation is proof...of something.

We don't have a shortcut at the moment, and need to keep collecting those documents as they come in. We've ordered about 100,000 pages and have two more nationwide, 3,000-jurisdiction Freedom of Information actions to go. (You can request only documents that already exist, which means all documents that are created in connection with the canvass had to be requested after they exist).

We are also doing specific follow-up FOIAs customized for the anomalies. I hope to have some of those on the Black Box Voting (.ORG) this weekend. It's been pretty crazy, and you absolutely can't imagine how much new evidence is pouring in.

I'll post more as we get a chance.

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting
http://blackboxvoting.org
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:35 AM
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54. Thanks Bev
I know damn well they stole it. I hope Kerry knows it.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:00 PM
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75. I dont think we need total proof
not the court of law sort of proof anyway. we need the proof that will stand up to public scrutiny. the absolute anger of the population will do the rest.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:07 PM
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99. 20 million effin' votes! Man, these people cannot win on their own. They
have to steal the votes to keep power! Please, Bev, help us! God, I hope Kerry is helping in all of this and knows this is severe fraud!
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:30 PM
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108. Stealing big may be safer than stealing small
Just stealing enough votes to win by a few thousand invites recounts and other scrutiny. It turns out that it is better to go all out and win by margins that seem insurmountable.

Did that happen? I don't know and I hope not, but I sure as hell want to find out.


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:42 PM
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109. This evidence that's pouring in - are we talking about insiders?
NT!

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GoSolar Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:01 AM
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41. Thanks, Bev,
for all your hard work on this. I can help and I know several others who can give time and money. There is no doubt that this election was stolen.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:04 AM
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43. A big KICK!
I KNEW this happened. Thank you Bev and Andy! It must be big enough to bring down the regime. It must be irrefutable proof that they can't just poo-poo away. Go, Bev!

:kick:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:09 AM
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46. bev, i registered on your site today, didn't get password yet so ........
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 10:18 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
please read this thread and tell me what you think about starting a "black ribbon" campaign to raise money for the cause: BBV and the mourning for America due to bbv fraud? maybe you can have the company that makes the yellow ribbons make black ones for us? :shrug:
pax
cyn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:10 AM
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47. I just read Palast's article about Ohio
Not about BBV, but punch cards. Pretty compelling stuff.

Palast has been on the money about everything else. Before reading this article I didn't put fraud into the equation. Now I do.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:18 AM
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48. kick this
BLACKBOXVOTING needs help NOW!

Gyre
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:30 AM
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52. I will do anything I can to help, Bev
Thank-you for all you have done for this country! :yourock:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:40 AM
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55. kick!
:kick:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:43 AM
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56. I hope you have good solid evidence
that will be simple enough for the brainwashed masses to understand.

I hope the evidence is so overwhelming that there will be not even be a shadow of a doubt.

I hope yesterday's unveiling of the real George Bush will make Mission Accomplished look like a good idea.

And I hope with all my heart, that we beat these fraudulent bastards.

We're in the home stretch and we can't afford to lose.

PBWY
DYEW

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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:01 AM
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59. my husband actually said this
"he would have to be the stupidest man alive if he was caught doing something like that..he would go down in history as the most hated man for stealing an election???" he just couldn't believe it could be done..I said--"he did it"

Please Bev I hope the info is clean, clear and indisputable..

THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK..I am going to go donate now
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:58 AM
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58. i just sent money bev.
how do we volunteer. i didnt see it on the website. i have feet a car, am angry as hell and live in southeast florida.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:06 AM
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60. kick
:kick: donation is in the mail!!
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:11 AM
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62. Thank you for all you have done
and for all you're continuing to do. :toast:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:24 AM
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63. kick!
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:35 AM
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66. KICK!
and donation as soon as I get paid.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:37 AM
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67. I think I just signed up - at least for the forums.
Please let me know in what way I can help; I'll do anything I can. I'm signed up as Bear425. Thanks for everything you are doing!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:41 AM
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68. I'm in.
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 11:45 AM by graywarrior
Hell, I'm a street fighter at heart.

Do you have to make a cash donation to volunteer? I'm tapped out.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:49 AM
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71. Just wanted to say THANK you, Bev! n/t
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:51 AM
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72. Thank you Bev n/t
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LTRS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:58 AM
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74. Bev, are you folks on this stuff here?
Flordia ballots show huge (and I mean HUGE) numbers of DEMS supposedly voting for Bush in very Dem counties. That is indicative of wholesale theft of this election! My partner spent hours crunching numbers last night and there is no doubt - they stole FL and they probably stole Ohio as well. Trust me, we are NOT the conspiracy theorist types, and even on Wed I posting here saying "take off the tin foil hat" to people who automatically assumed it was stolen.

But it was. It really was. Check here.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

It's just not possible that 40 and 50% of registered dems voted for Bush, but ONLY in optical scan counties.

I don't know how to post a spreadsheet here, but here is a summary of how they did Florida:

Summary

-- In 13 of 15 touchscreen voting counties in Florida, Dems gained over what would be expected looking at just registration percentages more than just Dems voted for Kerry in these counties

-- But in only 7 of 52 optical scanner voting counties (15%), Dems gained over what would be expected looking at registration percentages - this seems a little odd

-- In the touchscreen counties, the average gain was 8% over what you would expect based on Dem registration, including all 15 counties

--In the optical scanner counties, the average loss was 16.6% under what you would expect based on dem registration, including all 52 counties

-- If you apply the 8% average plus the expectations based on registration that was seen in the touchscreen counties to the optical scanner counties where we saw losses in the Dem column, it's a total of 281,143.

If you add this number to Kerrys total, and subtract this number from Bushs

Method
Bush Votes
Kerry Votes

Subtotal
Touchscreen
1,845,876
1,982,210

Subtotal
Op-Scan-Precinct
1,950,213
1,445,675

Adjustment

-281,143
+281,143

Corrected Subtotal
Op-Scan-Precinct
1,668,730
1,727,158

Corrected Total
All Methods
3,514,606 - Bush
3,709,368 - Kerry

And guess what, when you correct, it matches the exit polls!

If we could get the paper ballots rescanned in Florida with machines that had been actually checked to make sure they was no fraud going on, you would see that Kerry very likely won this election.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:14 PM
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77. kick
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:27 PM
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78. Bev thanks for all your doing. Do we have any specifics we can share
or is it too soon?

Also, what's the next step, should we find fraud? How long will the investigation take?

Thanks
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:46 PM
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82. kick
:kick:
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:54 PM
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83. A word of caution FWIW
Call me a tin foil hatter, I don't care, I absolutely without question believe this election was defrauded. (BTW, my latest donation went to BBV two days ago.)

The caution I ask for, however, is this: Before we go "too" public with this we must have our ducks in a row. We have to have undeniable facts or they will shoot us down as quickly as Dan Rather and we will never be able to make the case again. We will have no ability to challenge this in forthcoming elections if they beat us now.

Please Bev, keep up your extraordinary work. Please find the proof.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:59 PM
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84. kick
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:01 PM
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85. donation today
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:12 PM
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87. Good to hear from you Bev. Take precautions to stay safe. nt
:hi:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:38 PM
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90. Everyone can help
Donations are needed but if you can't do that, then sign up as part of the clean up crew and help finish getting contact information into the state forums for each county.

This is time consuming especially if you are on dial up but it needs to be done.

Maybe Bev can post the states and/or counties that are stonewalling so people in those states can demand the requests are fullfilled- or go in person and demand the documents for themselves.

If you are a computer scientist willing to step forward about the concerns, volunteer.

If you are a lawyer, step forward and volunteer. There were lawyers coming of out of the woodwork for the Kerry/Edwards campaign. Well, it's not over and your help is needed to validate your previous efforts. Strike a note for democracy and volunteer to help Blackboxvoting now!

Legitimacy is a powerfull thing and too many people know too well that nothing was legitimate about this election.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:21 PM
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88. thanks for your help, Bev
you've never stopped fighting!!
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:49 PM
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91. I'll use both F words--It was fucking fraud. Anyone notice exit polls
suddenly became wrong when electronic voting controlled by repugs came into existence?

In the past, networks were always using exit polls to make calls on who won, and they would be racing each other to see who could be the first to call a state. Yet I don't ever remember a call being reversed.

But now the exit polls are always supposedly wrong since the repugs have their BBV. Yeah, right.

Go get 'em, Bev!
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:01 PM
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92. get back up there n/t
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:09 PM
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93. Kick!
Thanks for everything Bev!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:10 PM
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94. Fraud? Republican Voter Fraud ? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
Who knew?

EVERYONE
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Butterflies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:21 PM
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95. Kick!
Thankyou for the hope.
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:27 PM
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96. keep this kicked!!!!
:kick:
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:38 PM
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97. kick
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:47 PM
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98. Bev, hope you don't mind..
..that I published this on my website:
www.counterbias.com/154.html
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:10 PM
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100. kick
again
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:15 PM
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101. Thanks Bev..


:kick:
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:32 PM
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102. Please, Bev, MAKE SURE you have SOLID evidence before you go
public with it! Please, John Forbes Kerry should be our president and we need to provide it without a shadow of a doubt? Who else is helping on this? I heard the FBI is. Anybody else or can you not divulge that information right now?
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Kipepeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:39 PM
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103. her site is down temporarily
swarmed with Randi listeners.

I hope everyone donates, when you can log on!
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:05 PM
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104. Kick -- I just donated. n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:22 PM
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105. kick
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:24 PM
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106. KICK - Hey Skinner tack this thread to the top!

:kick:
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:26 PM
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107. FRAUD! Wow. That was easy.

Think I'll go donate some $$$$.
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:51 PM
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110. God Bless you Bev Harris
Should we mail our checks to you or pay over the Internet?

I felt like I wanted to die and I was contemplating suicide but you gave me so much hope.

I am willing to help out in anyway that I can.

God Bless you Bev Harris :loveya: :cry: :loveya: :grouphug:
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:01 PM
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111. All dems need to hop on this vital issue--we have to get this system
changed and now! The next election starts here.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:24 PM
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112. I made two charts
These are the florida e-touchscreens in the top chart and the optical scanners in the bottom one.

http://ideamouth.com/politics/bbv/florida_projections-r...
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:34 PM
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113. if you need computer security help... thats my job :-)
email @ vtskiboard@hotmail.com if you need any help.

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JSG Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:39 PM
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114. DONATE!!!!! n/t
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:45 PM
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115. A Modest Proposal - Design And Produce Our Own Voting Machines
A Modest Proposal - Design And Produce Our Own Voting Machines

Hi All,

Like most here, I have anguished over the election and the possibility of election fraud. This is made more real, personally, since I observed the ES&S touchscreen machines err in Dallas, TX.

So, instead of using much of our valuable energy fighting for existing election machine changes, I suggest that we short circuit the problem by leading an effort to design and produce an Open Source voting system. This is easier than it sounds and can leverage the vast technical resources at DU and elsewhere. One has only to look at all the successful software developed for LINUX.

Using an Open Source model we can build an election system that is open and transparent to all scrutiny. The end-game would be the gift or sale of the technology to all counties, cities, and sates at no more than cost. If managed properly, we could undermine the existing corrupt e-voting companies and enable fairer voting by cash strapped governments. Eventually voters would demand their votes be counted on trustworthy equipment.

Since I have not the resources of a Soros, I can volunteer only time and skill. To that end, I now volunteer to coordinate this effort and look forward to hearing from all similarly motivated individuals. I also suggest that Skinner and company consider setting up some forum space which will enable the initial and continuing dialog on this effort.

Working together we can lick this problem and lick the Repubs at their own game.

Sincerely,

MHR
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:50 PM
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116. If you need anybody in Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 08:50 PM by Chomskyite
I'm no lawyer. I'm just an English teacher. But I'd be glad to do anything you require. Private message me if you need to.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:51 PM
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117. I just donated
Others should too. This is a small price to pay for freedom. Whatever the outcome, it's important that they know someone's checking up on them.
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:01 PM
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119. There is now a link to this thread
on Buzzflash! :) How cool is that!

http://buzzflash.com/
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:03 PM
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121. this might help: FL 2000 fraud patterns found in FL panhandle
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 07:01 PM by Lil
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Jordan-Daw...

Bush's fifth ace: A crooked Panhandle
Plop some green eyeshades on blind Bob Butterworth
By Elizabeth Jordan and Oliver Dawshed

July 25, 2001

. . .
"What we found was implausible enough to justify an investigation by law enforcement authorities. Precinct level information from 11 northern counties revealed that two parameters which can be logically connected to electoral fraud (ballot spoilage and the number of Gore votes divided by the number of Nelson votes) account for two-thirds of the variation in Gore's performance; the chances of this happening by chance are about 1 in 1047 (10 raised to the 47th power). This was true in aggregate as well as individually. Each of the eleven northern counties that we studied had patterns consistent with cheating by Republicans. These were Bay, Bradford, Calhoun, Columbia, Dixie, Gulf, Hamilton, Jackson, Suwanee, Union, and Washington. Precincts in some counties had discard rates of up to 40 percent of ballots cast! Calhoun and Dixie showed profiles possibly suggestive of ballot box stuffing. We suggest that the most consistent explanation of the statistical anomalies is a pattern of criminal tampering with ballots, primarily (but not necessarily exclusively) by Republicans. In just 14 suspicious precincts with suspiciously high ballot discard rates, 844 ballots for Gore were destroyed in excess of what would be expected. In the 11 counties, the total number of Gore ballots involved is probably in the tens of thousands, our model suggests that 7,100 votes may have been destroyed, so the number destroyed in all northern counties may have been many tens of thousands." (more)

(Bev, or other researchers, more detail into method and records available on request)

edited to add link to pdf file

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Jordan-Daw...

edited to add:
that there is an erratum with regard to spoilage of 40%, that the data for Jackson County were recalculated, and that the model was confirmed at even higher levels of confidence?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:30 PM
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122. "ES&S "Former Employee" accessed rural OH BOE Computer in Oct."
Kudos to BQueen for finding this!

Title: "ES&S "Former Employee" accessed rural OH BOE Computer in Oct."

Snippet:
Found this story in today's local rag:

http://www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/new ...

Saturday, November 6, 2004
Board awaits state followup
By ERIN MILLER

WAPAKONETA -- Auglaize County Board of Election members say they have not heard any more from the state regarding a possible investigation after receiving notice of being placed on administrative oversight last week.

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In a letter dated Oct. 21, Ken Nuss, former deputy director of the Auglaize County Board of Elections, claimed that Joe McGinnis, a former employee of Election Systems and Software (ES&S), the company that provides the voting system in Auglaize County, was on the main computer that is used to create the ballot and compile election results, which would go against election protocol. Nuss claimed in the letter that McGinnis was allowed to use the computer the weekend of Oct. 16.

Nuss, who resigned from his job Oct. 21 after being suspended for a day, was responsible for overseeing the computerized programming of election software, according to his job description. His resignation is effective Nov. 11.
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DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... or click here

News article referenced: http://www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/new... or click here
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:36 PM
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123. Bev Harris..An American Hero!!
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The red reptile Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:45 PM
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124. Some things to do

A few thoughts:

I hear that the folks at http://www.electoral-vote.com would be interested in getting serious-type data suggesting voting fraud. Their site isn't widely circulated I guess, but they are taken seriously by those looking at the subject(?)

Some good other sites for all this: www.eop.blogspot.com, http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388, and articles at tompaine.com, truthout.org, and commondreams.org. There were some really good discussions in the liberal blogs.

BBV needs 50k to do an effective investigation. It's been suggested elsewhere that George Soros could put up the money. Yes, lots of people could. It would be a nice dig for it to come from Michael Moore or et al. Off the wall stuff: the traders who put bets on Kerry at tradesports.com would be pissed to think they were defrauded of big bucks - they would help!

Another thread says that some congressfolk already know about it and have requested a GAO investigation (but hard to get through Republican stonewalling.)

Talk to the pollsters like Zogby who want relief from the charge that their exit polls were wrong. There was a WaPo story, 11/4 I think, about an Exit Poll Director who said "We were right." Many of those guys are baffled at why their results were "wrong", and might be amenable to the idea that the voting machines were wrong instead! However, we must rule out mundane explanations such as Bush voters more likely to vote later, etc.

Finally: remember that bloggers brought down Trent Lott.
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dougkess Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:05 PM
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126. Writing the major US papers
I have been writing the major US papers telling them about you, Bev...LA Times, NYT, SF Chronicle...and so on. I am very good about writing letters and will continue to do this (Issues: Sinclair Broadcasting; No Child Left Behind). What I will be is "one of the masses" who will add support to your (our) cause.

Thank you so much for your efforts!!!
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