Maybe the pukes aren't ill-informed after all.

[Senior citizen]

Maybe they knew that if the chimp didn't win, Cheney would attack us again--perhaps even worse than 9/11. Maybe their security fears are rational.

I thought about it some. If I was a fairly intelligent person who had to act dumb and appear right-wing in order to keep my job and support my family, I might secretly agree with everything that liberals say, but still know that liberals weren't going to give me a job.

Sure there's a lot of racism and homophobia out there. But here in San Diego Lori Saldana just won a state assembly seat. Her puke opponent's ads said, "Saldana wants to give drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants, Saldana opposes the wall between Mexico and the U.S., Saldana wants the children of illegal immigrants to go to college even when there isn't room for the children of citizens...."
And, of course, since I agreed with Saldana, that's who I voted for, and apparently so did a lot of people. It is rather sad though, to see those maps with the whole country red and just a few blue states on either coast--like fringe radical states that don't belong to the solid red U.S.

What really hurts is that the chimp will continue to talk about exporting democracy when we don't have one, and about free and fair elections when we don't have those either.

DU is still the best site for being user friendly and having the best people. But if anyone knows of sites where it isn't de rigeur to spew venom at any mention of Nader, I'd appreciate it. Not that I'd vote for him, but I'm probably going to switch my voter registration back to Green, and I think Nader is correct in calling the two major political parties the corporate parties. Since fascism is the merger of business and government, that is really the same as calling them the fascist parties. Yes, I love DU, yes, I love a lot of the people who post here, and no, I don't really know if I could survive without DU. But I'm just not a corporate type at heart.

The only thing you have to do to keep a job in this country is to be a hypocrite. That's why I was unemployed for most of my life. I don't even have a professional personna--I'm just me. And I've felt comfortable here because I don't feel comfortable around phonies, and I can name at least a hundred regular posters here who are the real deal. But I don't think it is particularly democratic to permit BBV, disenfranchisement, and other types of election fraud to go unchallenged. Maybe the party is misnamed, maybe DU is misnamed, or maybe I'm just the same totally alienated misfit I've always been.

[NJCher]

1. map comments

It is rather sad though, to see those maps with the whole country red and just a few blue states on either coast--like fringe radical states that don't belong to the solid red U.S.

What we need is a new map--one that shows the size of the states in accordance with the population. That red/blue map gives a completely disproportionate impression of the U.S. Geographically, the red states look big but it is the most populous states that should look big!

another "alienated misfit,"


Cher

[progdonkey]

3. "George Bush's America"

I hate it when RWers bring out that map (or maybe I love it because it proves their idiocy?). Just today, I think Neal Boortz (:puke:) was on Al's show, and he brought up the 2004 version of this map, implying that the Democrats are stuck out on the coasts (read: the Riviera), while the Republican areas are these vast expanses in the middle.

I hate seeing those Rocky Mountain states which are larger than New York, but only have 3 electoral votes each. That entire expanse of red has altogther the same number of EVs as my state of VA.

I don't know where it was, but I did see a map that was exactly as you're hoping to see. New York, Florida, Texas, and California are all huge, while the Rocky states are each shrunken down to the size of Connecticut.

[Senior citizen]

7. If you come across that map, please try to post a link.

Thanks for the sanity, progdonkey.

[progdonkey]

9. thumbnail of image...

You can see a thumbnail link of the image http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/04/electoral_map.html">here. Unfortunately, the target fails to load for me, and that's all I could find. Still, you can see what I'm talking about in the thumbnail.

[Senior citizen]

5. It is good not to be alone. Thanks, Cher. n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

2. You are hardly a misfit. And you know that the Democrats have a big tent

It's Bush* and Cheney who are selling out to the corporate interests. Both Kerry and Edwards brought this up in the debates. And I can't imagine that most people on DU have anything against Ralph Nader. I consider him a national hero, in his successful efforts waged against corporate interests. He's a great American and an intelligent man. We could use more Ralph Naders and I have matched up with him on many of the polls that I have taken, since I am anti-big business and pro-environmental. The problem that I have with him, and I think that DU has with him, is that, when he insists on running for president, which he can't possibly hope to win, is that he is much more likely to take votes away from Democrats than Republicans. And we need every vote that we can get, as was proven in 2000 and, again, yesterday. Support Ralph's causes; I do. But vote Democrat. You need to hold office to get things done.:-)

[Senior citizen]

6. I think Ralph runs simply because our system sucks.

We've had Democrats in office and controlling Congress, and still not gotten things done. Congress has all sorts of stuff that can prevent things from getting done, like committees that can prevent bills from even coming to the floor for a vote, and party whips that really can and do whip people into line no matter how they and their constituents feel about an issue. If we had lots of parties and proportional representation, and more people like Jeffords who are truly independent, maybe Congress would have to stop representing corporations and start representing people. Maybe.

As for Nader taking votes away from Democrats, in his wildest dreams he couldn't get as many votes as are stolen by disenfranchisement, BBV and all the rest of the fraud that goes on. There are still people who think he is the reason Gore lost, as if all eligible voters had been permitted to vote, the ballots had been counted fairly, and BBV didn't exist. How anyone can think that if Nader hadn't been in the race, the pukes wouldn't have stopped the recount and had SCOTUS select the chimp is beyond me. And the Fla EV was going to go for the chimp even if Gore had won the state in a landslide. The system is a mess, and it isn't Nader's fault--Nader is DU's Clenis--an easy way to put the blame for everything where it doesn't belong.

Thank you, Rhiannon. It is good to hear from someone who doesn't blame poor Ralph for everything that's wrong with the world.

[Rhiannon12866]

10. You're welcome. How anyone can criticize a man who has done so much

good for this country, taking on the giant corporations and working tirelessly to make the people of this country safer, is beyond me. I understand completely why he continues to run. I just wish that he wouldn't, but I also wish that it wouldn't snow in the winter. He's certainly not the reason that Gore lost. As we all know, Gore didn't lose. The Supreme Court appointed George Bush* instead of demanding that the votes be counted. And, for what it's worth, most of the people who vote for Ralph Nader are those who, otherwise, wouldn't vote at all. And I agree completely with you about the stolen votes. That is the real crime and the only reason that we're weeping, today, instead of celebrating regime change at home.:grr:

[Mnemosyne]

4. Hey Senior, good a.m., I never fit either.

I'm 46 and on ssi, due to fact I worked hard for years, but as a woman never made enough to qualify for ssd when I became so very ill and couldn't work any longer, so I get to live sub-poverty level for life. I'm poisoned by the government, mercury, since childhood (Dad was milk hauler and used mercuric chloride tablets for preservative of milk samples, NO ONE told him of deadly danger to self and family, and NO ONE in gov will take responsibility for it, what a surprise)
I am trying to register as a member of the Karma Party and the voter reg. won't allow it, keep sending back as "no affiliation"
I went to college to become a teacher, until I found out how political it is and how much you have to kiss ass to fit in. they teach that you can not even touch a child's shoulder to give comfort and this was in the early 80's. I have a severe case of touching another human beings arm when we speak and it's a no no.
I voted for Ralph in 2000 and have been hassled ever since, you caused Gore to lose!!! WTF, no, Gore did not lose you ignorant people. Won't even explain anymore, so very much ignorance out there, reinforced by media.
I was going to the passport office today, but can't leave my grandson, 3 almost 4, the love of my life. So as Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." I will stay and fight some more. I've registered approx. 1000 voters on my own since got the vote in 1976 at 18.
I rode around for 7hrs yesterday, trying to figure out where to go from here. I put a sign in my car window that reads "America Died. Nov. 2, 2004, RIP once great nation. Amazingly, NO ONE noticed except 2 bus loads of kids when I was in friend's driveway. Let their repuke parents explain it to them (were bush/cheney signs all over there).
I voted for Kerry, even though had strong misgivings about him, to get the Lunatic out of office. That sure worked. If I'd known they'd get away with another theft, I'd have voted for Walt Brown of the Socialist party, a nice man. Honest and decent. I'm ashamed that I did not vote my conscience. It will not happen again, if we still have a vote in 4 years.
It's good to know there are other's who feel on the outside, even here in du somewhat. Thought I was alone.
Take good care and stay safe.
We are not alone.:toast: :smoke: :hi: :tinfoilhat: :pals:

[Senior citizen]

8. What is the Karma party?

You're a treasure, vickiss.

All we did was replace the divine right of kings with federal immunity. The military can't sue the government, no matter what is done to them, and even when people can sue, as with the downwinders, they are unlikely to live long enough to benefit.

Well, DU wins again. I posted in help and support, but didn't really expect any. Thank you, vickiss. Gore didn't lose, and neither, I believe, did Kerry. It isn't the number of votes, it is whether or not they are counted accurately. And whether the electoral college works to further or to frustrate the will of the electorate. And whether SCOTUS upholds or destroys the Constitution.

I'm voting my conscience too next time. I don't care if the puke candidate is Beelzebub himself, and the Democrats have Jesus of Nazareth returned to earth as their nominee. Everything isn't black and white. It can't be a choice between a good man and an evil man, or a good party and an evil party. The real choice is between corporate politics as usual, or government of, by and for the people.

The total absurdity of our current system in encapsulated in the situation where our elected representatives legally cannot represent us. Most of them do not have the security clearances and do not sit on the right committees to be informed of what is going on, and those who are on the committees and have the clearances, are forbidden to tell their colleagues what they know, no less their constituents. So we can't have an informed electorate because our representatives aren't allowed to tell us what's going on. So we elect people, they go to Washington, and either they're as much in the dark as we are, or they get classified information and they can't tell anyone about it. We might as well elect kittens and puppies to represent us, because they wouldn't know what's going on either, and couldn't tell us if they did. And they're a whole lot cuddlier than what we've got now.