Has anyone else seen this BULLSHIT?! *grrr*

[newsguyatl]

just this cover angers me :grr:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Lemme guess:

Regnery?

[salin]

57. lol... that was my first thought as well.

n/t

[lazarus]

64. LOL

Got it right on the first try, you did.

http://www.regnery.com/regnery/030820_losing.html

[ComerPerro]

2. There are so many books like this

I want to write a book:

Why Bush Thinks its Funny That Innocent Americans Died in the 9/11 Attacks, and How it Saved His Presidency.


I mean, if its ok to slander the hell out of Clinton with pathetic lies, then why not slander Bush with the truth?

[Sophree]

8. It's not slander if it's the truth. n/t

[ComerPerro]

9. Yeah I know

I need to rework the phrasing.

The question, however, remains:
Would you buy the book?

[Pastiche423]

26. If you authored the book

ComerPerro, you bet I'd buy it!

[Sophree]

36. Heck yeah!

Sounds like a great idea for a book. You are referring to the Trifecta joke, right? That needs to be disseminated. I mean, we aren't the only people who find that "joke that's not really a joke" distasteful and incredibly callous, are we?

Why hasn't anybody in the press questioned or discussed this? Oh, nevermind, what was I thinking. That would be criticizing their boy king and might ruin their sickening love affair. :puke:

[MaverickX]

3. It should be called....

How Carter, Reagan, and Clinton's failures unleashed global terror.

[Pepperbelly]

5. don't forget BOTH Bush boys ...

I think I would call my book on Whistle-ass ...

Nero Bush.

[MaverickX]

7. I'm not sure of any foreign policy failures of Bush 1...

I actually think he did a decent job of foreign policy. He wasn't really an advocate of unilateralism like his son.

[Pepperbelly]

11. Gulf War I was a pretty big goof ...

Gee whiz ... what kind of cluster fuck do you need to call it a failure?

[MaverickX]

15. how was the Gulf War a failure exactly?

n/t

[Pepperbelly]

20. April Glaspie ...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

[diamond14]

43. over 100,000 PERMANENTLY DISABLED Veterans - Gulf War 1

that's the nightmare that keeps on coming....for the rest of these soldiers' lives, and the lives of their families and any children they may bear after exposures to chemicals...a true nightmare for OUR soldiers and OUR country....it is shameful.....

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

16. What??!!

of course Iran-Contra was nothing. Just a mere bag 'o shells.

[searchingforlight]

18. Iran Contra - - - - -

[coda]

39. That would completely ignore

that he had any input into the Reagan Administration.

Wasn't he the former head of some US intelligence agency? LOL

His multilateralism beats juniors mess for sure, but the handling of the pre-war Iraq/Kuwait situtation was either gross negligence or a desire for Iraq to invade.

[Jackpine Radical]

61. It just struck me what he meant by "out of the loop--"

He was referring to keeping his neck out of the loop at the end of the hangman's rope.

[bitchkitty]

65. You're kidding, right? n/t

[Zhade]

67. Uh.

You're kidding, right?

What about Grenada? Panama? The first Gulf War (or Gulf Slaughter, if you prefer)? Death squads in Columbia? Iran-Contra?

You must be joking. Yeah, you have to be.

[eleny]

4. G-R-R-R-R-RRRRRRR

[Mz Pip]

6. Just what we need

Another Right WIng screed that will be bought up in bulk by conservative groups, given away free on Drudge.

Like we really need more landfill.

MzPip
:dem:

[ewagner]

10. Googled this guy

Evidently he's a National Review lackey who is also a "fellow" of the Center for New Europe. (CNE) Haven't googled them yet, but one of his articles was implying that Europe is really conservative but the liberal press (he cites CNN forcryinoutloud)only reports the radical, liberal element of Europe. That was from just a quick glance.

Question: Why do the conservatives think its time to dredge up the Clinton boogeyman again? and why now?

[CarlBallard]

13. Answer:

Question: Why do the conservatives think its time to dredge up the Clinton boogeyman again? and why now?

Because otherwise we might focus on Bush, and they desperately don't want to go there.

[Nashyra]

14. I wish I could write

I would write a book and explain how the * administrations terrorist task force never ever met, instead Cheney was busy with his oil buddies and my cover would have assholes picture holding up the goat book with that dumb ass look on his face with the towers burning behind him. Title, How He Let it Happen!!!!!! A case for military spending.

[legin]

28. I'm pretty sure

I've had a run in with this CNE before.

There was a really unpleasant opinion piece in the Telegraph was sufficiently agravated me so that I checked out the author online.

The author was a fellow of CNE, so I emailed the head of CNE to voice my dipleasure. It looks like I must of used my hotmail email so it looks like it wasn't one of my more politer efforts.

[legin]

34. Yep confirmed

luckily I put the email address in my contacts so that if he replied it would get through the junkmail filters.

OK so we have a branch office of the right-wing think-tanks in Europe.

At a cursory glance they look OK, but obviously not.
http://www.cne.org/

[legin]

40. A little snippet from the guy that origially annoyed me

Another of their 'fellows':

The times they are a-changing. At a wedding on Saturday, someone remarked at my table that they never bothered watching the BBC News any more as they found it so distorted, and that they watched Fox for news about Iraq and Sky and ITN for domestic news.

Until recently they’d have been met with looks of blank incomprehension. Instead, there was not a murmur of dissent. Everyone at the table agreed that the BBC was hopelessly biased, just as not a single person dissented from the proposition that it should be either privatised or abolished.

Things are looking up. Maybe the Baghdad Broadcasting Corportation's behaviour during and in the run-up to the war will prove the tipping point. Quite why Tessaa Jowell appears to be backtracking on her earlier remarks that the Charter renewal would be affected by the BBC's behaviour I don't know.

It is surely an unanswerable case that the future status and governance of the organisation - of any organisation - should be determined precisely by how it conducts itself.

http://www.stephenpollard.net/index.php?thispage=5#81

front page:
http://www.stephenpollard.net/

[legin]

48. Watch out for these CNE bastards

From their 'About' page in the 'Our Philosophy section:

"Every enterprise is guided by a view of the world, a philosophy. Our philosophy goes under many banners: "European liberal," "pro-market," "individualist," "progressive" and many others. We call ourselves simply "Liberal."

Lot of grim laughter.

http://www.cne.org/about2.htm

[legin]

63. A taste of their 'liberalism' from their head, Tim Evans

This week John Howard picks up two rare honours: yesterday he assumed the chairmanship of the International Democratic Union and tonight he will address a joint session of the US Congress.

The speech before the US Government may capture headlines, but the chairmanship of the IDU may shape history. The IDU was founded by Margaret Thatcher and today is home to more than 80 Centre-Right parties from across the Western world. It is the communist Internationale in reverse -- and future historians may well conclude that it ultimately had even more impact. Since 1983, the IDU has provided a little-noticed forum for free-market parties to exchange vote-getting strategies, revolutionary policies and organisational know-how. Over the years, visitors to the IDU would often rub elbows with Thatcher, then-vice-president George Bush, Jacques Chirac, now President of France, and many other of the great and the good.

Howard's timing is perfect. He is taking charge of the IDU just as the historic shift has given the Right an unprecedented amount of political power around the world. Though few have noticed the political earthquake that has toppled the Left from power across Australia, Europe and the US, it is demonstrably the case. Maybe they are willfully blind, like old reactionaries refusing to recognise the new dawn, but the sun is rising no matter how tightly they close their eyes.

Consider continental Europe, long considered a permanent stronghold of the Left. The EU presidency is held by Spain's Prime Minister, Jose Maria Aznar, whose record of privatisation, deregulation and tax cuts has won his party two elections. In Italy, Silvio Berlusconi -- who has pledged to trim taxes and dismantle the boot's archaic labour laws -- now rules with a huge parliamentary majority. Even left-wing journalists believe that he will stay in office for a full five-year term -- a rarity in postwar Italy.

(more...)

http://www.cne.org/pub_pdf/06122002_evans_right_man.htm

[legin]

54. Another detail

We had a thread here in GD about Nike having a factory in Vietnam. The original article in that thread was by Johan Norberg, and the article came from the british Spectator magazine who also have Mark Steyn as one of their contributing journalists.

As someone who has read only half a school textbook on Third World Development Economics about ten years ago, I still did not think Johan Norberg knew one word what he was talking about.

Johan Norberg's book 'In Defence of Global Capitalism' is available in english, French and German on the front page of the CNE site (scroll down to near bottom on right).

[CarlBallard]

12. The easiest way to make money is to write a book called

"Clinton's Penis Caused 9/11" Because let's face it you don't need facts and right wingers will be drawn to it magnet like. Or at least the bulk mailers will.

[ComerPerro]

17. by the way

They accuse the left of using "Bush-haters" as their support base and their rallying cry.

Yes. I hate Bush with a passion.

But their hatred of Clinton is psychotic.
Every thing wrong in their lives is Clinton's fault.
The recession that got them laid off is Clintons fault somehow. The problems in Iraq are Clinton's fault.
The huge deficits are Clinton's fault.
The fact that their wife left them is Clinton's fault. It probably had nothing to do with the fact that they spend most of the day drunk on the couch masturbating while listening to Rush Limbaugh.

These people need help.

[Thoth]

21. well said

that last part :-)

[searchingforlight]

22. They may hate him but there are many mainstream Americans

who are actually beginning to think he was not so bad. - - Good economy, jobs, good standard of living against a sexual act? My guess is that most people can see through this trash.

[Clete]

19. Well, here's a mini bio of the author, Richard Miniter.

http://www.worldji.com/faculty.asp?educator_id=56

His affiliations with the Wall Street Journal and Newt Gingrich, kinda give away his bias.

[Emillereid]

23. The irony is that Sandy Berger told Condi

that bin Laden and Al Queada would need all her and the Bush administration's attention -- that no foreign policy issue was more important. Also the Clinton administration had worked up a comprehensive policy to deal with bin Laden by the Fall of 2000 which they did not implement out of respect for the incoming administration -- unfortunately the Bushits dropped the ball, Cheney decided he would do his own review of the situation and develop his own policies. They didn't focus on al Queada -- instead gave all their attention to oil stuff. It's important to remember that this was the bunch that wrote Rebuilding America's Defenses wherein they stated that they probably couldn't get Americans on board for their military buildup and empire without an event like Pearl Harbor. How convenient 911 just happened to fall in their lap.

[Pepperbelly]

24. I bet they left that chapter out ...

wanna bet?

:D

[coda]

45. Exactly.

"Clinton's advisors met nearly weekly on how to stop bin Laden... I
didn't detect that kind of focus from the Bush adminsitration."

-- Two Star General Donald Kerrick, reflecting on both Clinton and Bush

[oasis]

47. Sandy should've stayed on to connect the dots for Condiliar.

She hadn't a clue that airline hijackings would be anything other than "traditional". The brilliant Dr. Rice, the CIA and FBI had never read the available books, articles, and training manuals documenting incidents where aircraft was used to "slam" into targets.

They chose to ignore the numerous "red flags" which kept poping up in the months, weeks and days leading up to 9/11, since they didn't necessarily qualify as warning signs during Chimp's watch.

I hope the book mentions the "express visa" program that the Colin Powell state department set up for exclusive use by the Saudis.

[SharonAnn]

25. OK, Activists out there - a Call to Action!

We make up a one page flyer, modelled on the cover of this book and call it "Creating bin Laden" or "Supporting bin Laden" with picture of Reagan or Bush I and on the back is the information about which president did what to create. support, try to kill, etc. bin Laden.

Then we go to bookstores and put this page into each one of the books. We make the flyer a little smaller than the page size of the book. We could do them 2-up on 8 1/2 x 11 paper (each would be 5 1/2 x 8 1/2) or on legal size paper (7 x 8 1/2).

We do lots of these and do it every time we go into the bookstore.
Give them the facts!

[newsguyatl]

27. GREAT IDEA

sharon!!

they're are some unparalleled folks here who i'm sure can do that, and do it well!

[Cha]

31. Excellent idea! SharonAnn!

I live in a small town not anywhere near a book store but there are plenty of DUers who do and that to me sounds like a wonderful grassroots activity! "Give them the facts!"

[Zhade]

68. And its sister volume...

Creating Saddam, with the infamous Saddam-Skeletor (aka Rumsfeld) handshake.

[LittleApple81]

29. He teaches at the World Journalism Institute. Chosen by God?

http://www.worldji.com/who.asp

It has a blurb about who they are:

The World Journalism Institute has cooperative credit agreements with numerous colleges, universities and seminaries. This section includes a current list of colleges which have sent students to WJI courses. Additionally, WJI is a registered program with the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities (CCCU).

When they describe their administrators they say:

"This section notes the men and women whom God has given responsibility for the management of the World Journalism Institute"

And they also have his picture.

[newsguyatl]

32. stable lookin fella eh?

is this limbaugh's bastard son?

[CarlBallard]

46. He looks like Rush Limbaugh stole Kim Chong-il's wig.

[shirlden]

55. I should never eat potato chips

and read DU at the same time. Chewed, wet chips are hell in keyboards. But thanks for the laugh.

:spank:

[Cha]

30. Somebody should write a book about how the bushwa let 9/11

happen...I don't think Clinton could top that!

Oh, I think Michael Moore is going to have a movie call Fahrenheit 9/11! That should be Very Interesting!

"Documentarian Michael Moore will next focus on President George W. Bush's response to the terrorist attacks masterminded by Osama bin Laden. As Moore tells Variety, "The primary thrust of the new film is what has happened to the country since Sept. 11, and how the Bush administration used this tragic event to push its agenda."


:kick:

[Clete]

41. Someone should and just put it out there.

If there are any criticisms from the right wing, then challenge them to agree to an investigation by a neutral and independent committee, maybe even from another country to get at the truth.

I think there is enough evidence out there to raise serious questions and maybe someone publishing a book is needed to get everyone's attention.

[coda]

33. Well he did fail.

Failed in convincing the Republican leadership that defense of the country was a higher priority than a cock hunt.

He should have shown leadership like the Reagan administration, who insisted on a military presence in Lebanon (despite military advisors being strongly against it) and got 241 marines killed, then invaded Grenada a week later and then quickly pulled out of Lebanon (that showed them terrorists), and then promised the American people and the world that the US does not negotiate with terrorists and then committed treason to do it anyway. Then continued to arm them. Then continued to train them. Continued to allow bio and chem to be sent to Iraq, despite being advised strongly against it. He should have shown leadership like the Bush administration who nearly ignored the Iraq/Kuwait situation except to send a Telex saying that we wouldn't concern ourselves with their dispute. Then after the invasion, decided they were concerned.

That's Republican leadership. Bill Clinton "failed" to show that kind of leadership.

[spanone]

35. Fair $ Balanced

you are correct, bullshit

[bvar22]

37. Clinton's policy of containment was SUCCESSFUL!!

The FACT that bush*/republicans SHAMEFULLY FAILED to find anything close to a WMD, FAILED to uncover a remotely viable DELIVERY SYSTEM is PROOF POSITIVE that the Clinton policy of containment, inspections, and surgical strikes was SUCCESSFUL!

the failed meme is powerful. I'm going to start employing it whenever I speak or write of the bush*/republicans.

the FAILED bush*/republican economic policy

bush*s FAILED war to get Bin Laden

bush*s FAILED war in Afghanistan

bush*s FAILED war in Iraq

bush*s FAILED attempt to bring democracy to Iraq

bush*s FAILED plan to rebuild Iraq

bush*s FAILED policy to protect Americans against terrorism

bush*s FAILED policies to protect the environment

bush*s FAILED policy to catch and punish CORPORATE CROOKS!

bush*s FAILED policy to leave no child behind

[LittleApple81]

38. Do you think Clinton will answer the accusations or give information to

somebody to be able to counter these accusations?

Probably answering directly is not even advisable, but if not true, shouldn't he have somebody else write corrections to this bs?

[Pepperbelly]

42. These ani (is that the right plural for anus?) have been writing this crap

since he left office.

He is probably somewhat amused that they keep going back to the same poisoned well.

[LittleApple81]

44. That sounds so funny! ani!

I don't know what the plural is but it sounds as if the person wanted to say anitalia and I sincerely do not think that anitalia exists.

Well too bad because they will give the book for free to people that are totally uncritical and looking for additional reasons (as if they needed any more) to blame Clinton.

[gratuitous]

49. The short answer is . . .

If Clinton "goofed" so bad on bin Laden, why wasn't there a Millennium attack? Why did Al Qaeda wait until it had a good look at Clinton's successor before launching an attack? After Lil George fumbled away the USS Cole investigation, didn't do squat-ah about the Chinese capture of a spy plane, and generally seemed far more interested in using the federal treasury for his and his buddies' personal piggy bank, Al Qaeda was emboldened to launch its daring attack, which could have been stopped simply by following through on what the Clinton administration had been doing.

September 11 happened during George Bush's administration for a reason. The timing wasn't coincidental.

[Pepperbelly]

50. excellent analysis!!! nt

:D

[LittleApple81]

52. nicely stated. n/t

[goforit]

51. Are they looking for a revolution? or what?

People can only be pressed so far!!!

[stitz58]

60. I don't know about a revolution

goforit, but maybe a civil war.

[Ein]

53. Bush 'lost bin laden'

In the obvious way, of course. And the Taliban offered to turn him over if the Bush regime provided thier evidence of his guilt. Taking for granted they actually had evidence, the Bush regime probably laughed at the offer b/c that would have stopped thier plans for war and profit dead in thier tracks.

To be fair, it was the Taliban offering him up, not the most trust-worthy folks.

[leetrisck]

56. These will be bought up by Richard Mellon Scaife

Note who the publisher is. Sandy Berger has responded to much of this in the past on different news shows. Also two people wrote a book (they worked for Sandy Berger) and talked about most of these charges. Their story was quite different from this one. I can't remember who wrote the book or their names. Would like to have it if anyone remembers who wrote it. Has been within the past 1-1/2 years I believe.

[Chomskyite]

58. Somebody try to get me the names of those books

I'd like to be able to refute this myth that Somalia had arrested bin Laden and had offered Clinton to turn him over to us. It's obvious manure, since if it had actually happened Clinton would have grabbed him up quick. But I'd like to know the specifics as to why it's manure.

[coda]

66. It was Sudan

and it's not a myth, but its' portrayal is (always made in the most simplistic of terms) from what I've read.

=======

"The Sudanese security services, he said, would happily keep close watch on bin Laden for the United States. But if that would not suffice, the government was prepared to place him in custody and hand him over, though to whom was ambiguous. In one formulation, Erwa said Sudan would consider any legitimate proffer of criminal charges against the accused terrorist."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A61251-2001Oct2




"And there were the beginnings of a debate, intensified lately, on whether the United States wanted to indict and try bin Laden or to treat him as a combatant in an underground war."

<snip>

" said, 'Just ask him to leave the country. Just don't let him go to Somalia,' Erwa, the Sudanese general, said in an interview. 'We said he will go to Afghanistan, and they said, 'Let him.'"

"On May 15, 1996, Foreign Minister Taha sent a fax to Carney in Nairobi, giving up on the transfer of custody. His government had asked bin Laden to vacate the country, Taha wrote, and he would be free to go."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A61251-2001Oct2


==========

They supposedly made an offer concerning bin Laden, but whether they were actually able to deliver and what their demands(strings) were is anything but clear.






Sudan was on the Terrorist Countries List then and remains there still

http://www.ch.doe.gov/insidech/org_offices/oci/TerroristCountries/
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2000/index.cfm?docid=2441&CFNoCache=TRUE&printfriendly=true

This is the current Terrorist Countries List

Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, and Sudan continue to be the seven governments that the US Secretary of State has designated as state sponsors of international terrorism.

Sudan
The United States and Sudan in mid-2000 entered into a dialogue to discuss US counterterrorism concerns. The talks, which were ongoing at the end of the year, were constructive and obtained some positive results. By the end of the year Sudan had signed all 12 international conventions for combating terrorism and had taken several other positive counterterrorism steps, including closing down the Popular Arab and Islamic Conference, which served as a forum for terrorists.

Sudan, however, continued to be used as a safehaven by members of various groups, including associates of Usama Bin Ladin's al-Qaida organization, Egyptian al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the Palestine Islamic Jihad, and HAMAS. Most groups used Sudan primarily as a secure base for assisting compatriots elsewhere.

Khartoum also still had not complied fully with UN Security Council Resolutions 1044, 1054, and 1070, passed in 1996--which demand that Sudan end all support to terrorists. They also require Khartoum to hand over three Egyptian Gama'a fugitives linked to the assassination attempt in 1995 against Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Ethiopia. Sudanese officials continued to deny that they had a role in the attack.

[leetrisck]

70. "Age of Sacred Terror"

by David Benjamin & Steven Simon may be the one. Researched it on Amazon and this sounds like it.This book (if it is the one) was also discussed on C-Span books or the authors were actually on C-Span. Wish I could give you more info and I hope this is the right one. I have not read the book nor do I have it but will end up reading it just because it sounds good.

[stitz58]

59. when all else fails, blame Clinton

the repukes do it all the time. they can't defend they're own moron president, so they change the subject and go after Clinton

[Cush]

62. Let me guess

ADvertised on the front page Newsmax?

[opihimoimoi]

69. Its all part of the PUB PYSOPs Campaign IMHO

Pub money prolly paid the guy to write the book.

Raw facts: the Clinton Years were good years

The Bush Years were filled w pain(bad years)

[agincourt]

71. Another enlightening incisive analysis,

that goes where the liberal media like fox news won't take us. From the same group who think David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh were freedom-fighters against the Klintoon occupation, comes this honorable,unbiased foreign policy treatise. My only question is, when is the one about Clintoon giving 500 MX missiles to Castro so that Hillary could fund her senate campaign , coming out?

[JHB]

72. Conason: It's a marketing rewrite

Following a link from Smokin' Joe's Salon column
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/09/02/wmd/index.html

we come to a wry observation by Hoffmania:
http://hoffmania.blogspot.com/2003_09_01_hoffmania_archive.html#106246497253645975
In addition to "Losing," Amazon also lists another book on the same topic by Miniter. This one was supposed to have been published by Simon and Schuster last January. It was also 256 pages. And it was titled, "The Duel: Clinton and Bin Laden's Secret War."

Doesn't really appeal to your inner wingnut, does it? Anyway, it appears "Duel" never got off the launchpad for reasons I can't find over a holiday weekend.

So you've got to wonder if the new angle on "Losing Bin Laden" was Miniter's original vision - or if he's retooled it for the Coulter Kids. Then you see the nutbag books pooted out to the public by his new publisher, and it becomes crystal clear. Caveat emptor and all that.