Does anyone have a link to the news article about Kerry killing a goose?

[2ndPlatoon]

I heard a brief blurb on the news about him hunting in Ohio (I think) and "Bagging" a goose. If so why is he out shooting things? Shouldn't he concentrating on serious politics and getting the criminal out of office. Cheap publicity stunts with guns does not make me happy.

[vetwife]

1. Oh PLlllllllllllleeze !

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[Stephanie]

35. LOL! That's exactly how much patience I have left.

I am not willing to argue anymore. You're either with us, or you're against us.

[Unstuck In Time]

53. Glad I'm not alone!

After the election, I'll be happy to debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. But right now, let's all just shoot the trolls on sight and move on to what matters.

:7

[Roon]

3. Nothing wrong with harvesting from Mother Earth

Get a grip

[trotsky]

4. Welcome to DU!

Hope you enjoy your (brief) stay. :hi:

[charlie]

5. Heh

No, but I've got some links about GeeDub bagging a federally protected killdeer during a photo op in his run for governor.

[2ndPlatoon]

6. I swear.

I think it was CNN. I was at the drug store and it was on the tv above the counter. I couldn't really stand there and ask the lady to turn it up.

I don't like the whole hunting thing. That is the way I feel. So telling me to "Fuck off" may feel empowering to you but it doesn't change my opinion.

[Lerkfish]

23. The NRA supports Bush

but Kerry is actually a hunter.

go figure.

[InfoMinister]

74. Bush Also Supports Background Checks and The Assault Weapons Ban

I think that NRA people should be told that whoever they choose they both believe in the same politics. They both want to restrict guns in some way. The thing about the NRA is that they don't want any restrictions at all so why would they vote for a candidate that restricts them? Maybe they need to support a 3rd party if they only care about one issue.

[Zorra]

62. Are you a vegetarian?

Just asking.

[YNGW]

7. I heard it was the goose that laid the golden egg.

Hope not though.

[ArkDem]

10. This is the story

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=2460604

No witness to him actually killing it. Someone else was carrying the murdered bird.

[Atlant]

8. He's trying to appeal to the gun nuts. As if... (NT)

[Atlant]

9. Here's a thread about this, complete with pix.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1128205http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1128205

[athensliberal]

11. Agreed

I happen to agree with 2ndPlatoon and find it completely irresponsible and reprehensible to shout him/her down down for expressing an opinion. I find it troubling how much criticism is doled out here to fellow Dems who may have some different philosophical beliefs than others. We lla have the same goal of getting Bush out and Kerry in, but that doesn't mean that by carrying that card that we can't sometimes disagree with what our candidate does or says.

We keep that kind of shit up, and we're no better than the Bush minions who never question him.

Now, all that being said, while I don't have a problem with hunters, I do have a problem with the killing of an animal for show. And plain and simple, that's what the goose hunting publicity stunt is for today. Does that mean I now don't like Kerry now and will vote for the shrub? NO WAY! But it does mean that I disagree with it. And...that's okay.

[trotsky]

13. The problem, athensliberal, is that

the original poster's message is so very typical of a pattern we see from disruptors. You know, someone with a very low post count (ahem) who comes in and finds something about Kerry or another Democrat that "we liberals" should be upset about. It's not at all about the issue, but about the person who is trying to use that issue as a wedge.

By the way, welcome to DU as well.

[athensliberal]

16. I understand, but...

please don't jump on someone, or for Christ's sake, say 'Fuck Off' to someone for thinking that a goose-killing photo-op is something they don't approve of.

Look, I've been a DU'er for months now...my wife and I have spent waaaay too many hours lurking and loving the stuff that we read here. But to be honest, I (and many others I assume) don't have high post counts because between work, kids and MoveOn canvassing, I don't have time to post religiously.

I just fear that the worst thing that would happen if Kerry gets in is that we (Kerry supporters) pull the same shit that Bush supporters do and never question, never disagree, and shout down anyoen who does. I think JK would say it himself...that's not what America's about.

Now...on to the real goal...getting Bush out and America back on track.

Thanks for your time in responding and reading this.

[trotsky]

21. I think a lot of people are just very sensitive right now.

It gets frustrating dealing with right-wing assholes in the media (who then complain about the liberal media), or abusive right-wing coworkers, bosses, or friends, to come to DU as a safe haven, and then get accosted by real disruptors who really are only looking to aggravate and attack.

* has divided the country in a way that hasn't been seen since the Civil Rights era, or perhaps even back to the Civil War. I think we need John Kerry not only for everything else he brings to the table, but that he would be much more effective at repairing those rifts in our society. I just don't believe that Democrats could ever be as hateful and disrespectful as the Republicans have been since Reagan.

[athensliberal]

32. I want this more than anybody

Oh trust me...my wife and I feel like we've given up our lives for the past 6 months trying to do everythign we can and give every extra bit of money where we can and to see a 'fellow' supporter shout down me or anyone who disagrees is disheartening.

The 3 K/E stickers on my car, 5 K/E yard signs, and K/E lapel pin I've worn everyday since July should indicate how much I want Kerry in and Bush out. Not to mention I'm a former Texas resident who now lives in all-important Ohio now...so I just hope during this last stressful week and a half we can all settle down enough to respect one another and have enough faith in our guy to know that he WILL WIN THIS.

Thanks for your reply.

[sangh0]

46. Particularly sensitive to the hypocrisy of the OP

which complains about the attention being paid to hunting while making a big deal about hunting. The OP suggests that Kerry should be concentrating on winning the election as if Kerry's hunting had nothing to do with the campaign. I do not believe that anyone can truly be that clueless.

[sangh0]

47. Your fear seems absurd to me

I just fear that the worst thing that would happen if Kerry gets in is that we (Kerry supporters) pull the same shit that Bush supporters do and never question, never disagree, and shout down anyoen who does. I think JK would say it himself...that's not what America's about.

Whatever in the world would make you think that "there's no difference" between Kerry supporters and bush* supporters?

BTW, the idea that democrats are filled with hate (like the bush* supporters really are) is a meme that has been consistently pushed by the RNC.

[Atlant]

48. Probably...

> Whatever in the world would make you think that "there's no
> difference" between Kerry supporters and bush* supporters?

Probably just the behavior of many of them.

Atlant

[sangh0]

50. "Probably, the behavior of many of them"

Real nice. Complain about behaviors without actually describing any of them.

[Atlant]

52. I have complete confidence you're already aware of the behaviors. (NT)

[sangh0]

56. "Complete confidence" hasn't worked for bush*

and it's not going to work for you either

But I am not surprised you've decided to dodge the question.

[Atlant]

71. As you perfectly well know...

> But I am not surprised you've decided to dodge the question.

As you perfectly well know, the rules of this forum prevent a
direct answer to the question.

Atlant

[sangh0]

72. Not true

the rules allow you discuss behaviors you disapprove of.

But don't worry. I won't point out how you ducked the question again

[Atlant]

76. Not when the discussion points at an identifiable poster or group...

Not when the discussion points at an identifiable poster or group
of posters. So I can't discuss how badly behaved, for example, you
might be. ;)

Atlant

[sangh0]

77. So then don't indentify any posters

So I can't discuss how badly behaved, for example, you might be

And with that comment, we see that your main concern is to attack other posters, and not Kerry's hunting.

Thank you for being so clear.

[Atlant]

84. No.

> And with that comment, we see that your main concern is to attack
> other posters, and not Kerry's hunting.

No, but thanks for playing.

Generally, I prefer not to debate with word-twisters and game
players, so I'll stop now and if it will make you feel better,
you may certainly go ahead and think that you've won yet another
battle with the evil forces of progressivism.

Atlant

[Aiptasia]

12. It's a cheap ploy...

It's a media stunt so that he can appear "strong" to gun enthusiasts and others that might think he's weak on terror. Personally, I think it's un-necessary, but I understand the rationale.

Goose is a little to greasy for my taste. Too much dark meat. I'd prefer vennison any day of the week.

Unless it's Canadian geese. Then it's o.k. by me. They keep s*itting on my yard during their migratory flights to and from Florida every spring. Stupid gay canadian geese...

[msmcghee]

60. About 15 percent of Canadian geese . .

. . form exclusive male same-sex relationships that they maintain until one does.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Politicians frequently do stupid things to win votes.

Kerry is a politician doing stupid things to appeal to people too stupid to see through the attempt to win the bubba vote.

Remember the "earth tones" and "alpha-male" BS from 2000?

[skygazer]

15. Wow, how interesting

We have three posters with very low post counts all agreeing that Kerry is a Bad Man for shooting a goose. Hmmmm.... say anything to you?

Why not worry about the fact that your boy George has managed to kill over 1100 troops and thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq?

Enjoy your (short) stays.

[athensliberal]

17. Oh knock it the "F" off!!!

You know...I work my ass off to support John Kerry...and because I have work, kids, MoveOn volunteering and therefore not hours to spend boosting up my post count, you question my "loyalty". You should be ashamed. This isn't an exclusive club...we're all here for the same reason.

You all need to know that there are those of us who don't approve of trophy hunting. That doesn't mean I don't like you personally or anyone who does it, it just means I don't like it and it evokes a strong reaction in me.

You all need to cool it with the negative reactions to anybody who dares disagree with what you all determine to be the party line. We're all democrats...and that can be different things for different people.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. You've run into the cheerleader wing of the party.

Complete with pom-poms, threats, and insults. Kerry can do anything, say anything, and it's all just wonderful to them.

[athensliberal]

37. Thanks

Thanks for acknowledging my post and my (and others) efforts to have a personal opinion counter to the DU party line...it's appreciated.

[sangh0]

49. You should have a strong reaction to the deaths in Iraq

Your concerns in this matter, though they may be genuine, do not seem to have any basis in fact or in politics.

You don't like hunting?

So what? This isn't a hunting discussion board or a vegetarian one. It's a political one, and aside from your personal distate for hunting, you have yet to indicate how and why your distaste is of any relevance to politics.

So yes, you are certainly allowed to deviate from the "DU party line", but you should at least be willing to explain how your concerns are relevant to politics.

[Atlant]

51. Aren't we suppoised to be *FORGETTING* the IWR vote?

> You should have a strong reaction to the deaths in Iraq

Aren't we suppoised to be *FORGETTING* the IWR vote?
And here you go, bringing it up again.

Atlant

[sangh0]

57. Gee, all of a sudden, you think Free Speech is a Bad Thing

.

[Atlant]

70. No, I just think Kerry's vote was (and is) a bad thing. :-) (NT)

[sangh0]

73. That's not what you said

but if you want to pretend that your previous post said something about the vote, I'll play along with your fantasy

[Atlant]

75. Okay, let's review...

1. You tried to divert the question of whether or not people
should be concerned about Kerry's hunting by suggesting that
they should, instead, be concerned about the deaths in Iraq.

2. I suggested (perhaps too obliquely for you to catch) that
this was a bad tack to take because *KERRY* shares responsibility
for the deaths in Iraq (and the concommitant blow-back that's sure
to be headed our way as a result of the American invasion of Iraq).

I'm sorry, but your man did several stupid things (IWR *AND* pulling
the trigger on the shotgun) and you'll have a hard time defending
*EITHER* of them.

Atlant

[sangh0]

79. OK, let's review

1) You don't have an argument, so you try to distract with a claim that you can read my mind and know my intent.

2) You said you thought "we weren't supposed" to talk about an issue, and now that I've proven you wrong, you're trying to backtrack and claim you said something other than what's been posted for all to read.

2) You said you thought "we weren't supposed" to talk about an issue, and now that I've proven you wrong, you're trying to backtrack and claim you said something other than what's been posted for all to read.

I wonder if you're sorry for all those false predictions you made about Kerry not winning the nomination, or if you'll just deny making those predictions.

[Atlant]

85. Why would I be sorry? The better man was clearly "done in" by...

> You said you thought "we weren't supposed" to talk about an issue,
> and now that I've proven you wrong, ...

No, I simply was suggesting that it was a tactical error on your
part to bring up Kerry's monumentally-wrong-headed IWR vote. But
you decided not to take my advice as the slight joke that it was
and you went ahead with the discussion about this painful topic.

So I guess it's at this point that I should remind you that this
is one of the *PRINCIPAL* reasons why progressives are still pretty
wishy-washy about lining up behind your guy.


> I wonder if you're sorry for all those false predictions you made
> about Kerry not winning the nomination, or if you'll just deny
> making those predictions.

Why would I be sorry? The better man was clearly "done in" by Kerry
and his allies-of-the-moment such as Gephardt and Vilsac. And it
still remains to be seen whether Kerry will win the General election,
so maybe it's a wee bit too early to get all gloaty on me.

Atlant

[Tsiyu]

92. What a waste of spit

or finger skin cells.

Let me see. If I absolutely LOOOOOOOVED * as much as Pickles does; if I was absolutely livid over Kerry's true maniliness vs. Shrub's weinie-boy image; if I had absolutely NO LIFE and nothing to offer except Cheney-style snarling, I guess I'd post on a "Democratic" website and trash the Democratic choice, too!

I'm surprised at the high count here. But I suppose there's a sucker born every minute....

[Atlant]

93. When one has no arguments, I guess one falls back on attacks, ehh? (NT)

[Tsiyu]

94. If you're looking for an argument

head on over to freerepublic. Tell them you're a gay female who voted for * last time but this election you're just not sure. Tell them you think the assault weapons ban was a good thing and that you are on welfare. Oh, and you and your partner are contemplating aborting your first conception. (They're thick over there; I promise they won't question your fertility)

That oughta satisfy your pointless arguing needs for one evening....

[RebelOne]

36. I agree with you.

I don't like any type of hunting. That's the only thing I don't like about Kerry, the fact that he blasts away animals for sport.

[Atlant]

18. Okay, I'll say the same thing....

(I'm a poster with a moderately-high post count (5539 posts),
and I've been here since practically Day 1. So now I'll say
the same thing as the other folks...)

It was a stupid publicity stunt, intended to try to get a few gun
nuts to recognize that Kerry won't take their guns away from them.
It probably won't work.

As far as I'm concerned, it's one more proof-point that Kerry is
just a well-packaged DLC-branded product trying to get elected.

Atlant

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

19. Agree w/ skygazer

look if people have a problem with Kerry "defending" himself from the upcoming onslaught of the NRA Advertising blitz then please tell me! Grrr

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. So, you think that Kerry is a "good" man for killing a goose?

Not to mention indulging in a dumb political ploy?

I voted for Kerry on Tuesday, but still find such political pandering downright insulting.

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

22. It's called playing it smart

If you knew that you were about to be attacked wouldn't you inoculate yourself first?

[Atlant]

25. The Gun Nuts will attack him anyway.

He innoculated himself against nothing, and just added one more tally
to the list of reasons why liberals and progressives thinks he's nothing
special.

Atlant

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

30. Look, The progressives and Liberals can stay home

but where will that lead them? I agree that Kerry should have at times been more forceful in defending his beliefs, but this is no time to be squabbling about some stupid duck hunt.

[trotsky]

31. Well, "liberals and progressives" don't decide the election.

Moderates and undecideds do. There's a lot more to like about John Kerry than there is about Chimpy for us "liberals and progressives," and so we take the good with the bad.

When only our minority of the population gets to pick our perfect president to rule everybody, then I guess you'll be happy, huh?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. Attacked for what? Not pandering?

It was a stupid, facile, attempt to win the unwinnable votes of the gun nuts.

[sangh0]

64. You've played the "pander" card before

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x405644#406697

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

96. And, Kerry played it again.

What would you call it?

[athensliberal]

28. Obviously he would

In the vein of trying to appeal to gun owners and hunters, this is a good idea and smart political move if your goal is to stave off the NRA attacks. Just not one I happen to agree with personally, and I think that's all any of the 'offending' members of this thread have tried to say.

[sangh0]

55. And why is it important for them to express their personal opinion

when their distaste is of no political import?

[Fla Dem]

54. If you really think Kerry going out to kill 1 goose is going to change

1 gun totting, gay bashing, God fearing repug, then you are seriously delusional. I don't care if he is a hunter. Although I am against those that do it merely for sport. If it was a true sport, then the deer, geese, ducks etc, should be wearing bullet proof vests and should be able to fire back. For those that hunt and use the meat for food, I'm not OK with it, but I understand the rationale.

But Kerry is not going to change any minds with this stunt. It simply gives fodder to the Repugs to make fun of him, and it might even be a big enough issue with some undecideds to make them not vote for him.

[Redneck Socialist]

88. It won't change the minds of nutso republicans, but ...

it will reassure the vast mass of folk in the middle who aren't nutso. Many of those folks hunt and they suffering a constant barrage of "Kerry's gonna grab yer guns!" from the NRA. Photo ops such as this do help inoculate Kerry from that charge and they do it far better than him simple saying he's not anti-gun.

I'm a hunter and IMO Kerry votes the wrong way on gun issues, but seeing him actually hunt and actually kill something helps reassure me that while his voting record may not be perfect he understands my concerns and that makes me feel better about voting for him.

[skygazer]

29. I don't really care either way if he killed a goose

I'm not particularly opposed to hunting and I think it's a pretty ridiculous issue to get upset about when Bush is dragging our country down the drain.

Christ, did we get this upset when Scalia and Cheney went duck hunting? Not over the ducks - it was over the conflict of interest.

Is it pandering? The man hunts. At least he can do it properly which is more than I can say for Bush running a chainsaw.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. I don't care either. It's the obvious pandering that's dumb.

I'm sure that Kerry decided to do a little hunting for relaxation in a swing state notorious for it's love of guns just because he had some extra time on his hands.

As you said Bush is dragging our country down the drain. I think that Kerry would do better to point that out rather than donning his "earth tones" and hoisting his trusty shootin' arn' to appeal to a few people too stupid to see throught the ploy.

The goose has my sympathy as a sacrifice to 'Merkun politics.

[htuttle]

26. But it was a hell of a goose!

It was a monstrous goose, a King Goose, a huge corpulent goose!

[2ndPlatoon]

41. Geese don't fly very fast and they are huge targets.

I don't agree with blasting animals for a photo. I am sure Kerry didn't eat the goose. He didn't even carry his own kill. He killed more than one according to CNN.

This doesn't mean I want Bush in office. I just disagree with Kerry taking his gun and offing an animal for an image. It p1sses me off.

Thank you to the level headed individuals that supported me having the right to my opinions. Things were looking bad for a minute there. I really thought I was about to be tombstoned. And you put your self at risk by coming out in support of me after the initial responder told me to "Fuckoff".......

[amazona]

61. are you aware of the environmental impact of 2many geese?

You know, hunters would dearly love to hunt the more challenging ducks, but we are in a situation here. Fish and WIldlife needs more goose hunters and less duck hunters if we are to protect our wetlands. Hunting the goose might not have been as challenging as hunting a teal, much less windsurfing, but it was the better choice for the current environmental situation we have of the huge goose overpopulation literally killing off marshlands. Progressives should inform themselves and get behind this instead of sneering at goose hunters.

I don't feel like watching my wetlands destroyed because people who never go outdoors are perturbed when a good citizen hunts a nutria or a goose. I don't mean a personal attack on anyone, it's just that this attitude gets so old IRL that maybe I'm blasting out here where it isn't necessary.

A legal goose hunt is a good thing.

[2ndPlatoon]

65. Kerry didn't blast those Geese for the environment.

He did it for a photo. I doubt he is going to eat it.

I remember an image of Bill Clinton coming out the blind in Arkansa years ago. He shot 2 woodducks and he was carrying his kill. Wooducks are a challenge. They fly fast, are very spooky, and they live in swamps.

Goose hunting is done in the wide open. The geese fly in...very slowly...and when they are about to land you blast their brains all over the field. If you need to do this to save the envionment then so be it. But Kerry was not.

I may not be big on hunting for sport but I understand people do it and most eat their kills. I love Venison.

I do not like the idea of Kerry loading his gun and blasting birds for his image as an "Outdoorsman". He he wants to prove he is one with nature then do it by voting for environment protection issues. Not blasting birds for the camera.

I simply disagree with it. No big deal. I should be allowed to do that.

[sangh0]

68. So now you're a mind reader?

I somehow doubt you know why anyone does anything.

[DemocracyInaction]

33. OMG--that's it. We need to keep this bastard out of office

This cannot be tolerated. HE KILLED A GOOSE. Let's keep Bush in. He just kills human beings---some in Iraq; others in planes.....Sometimes Democrats are dumber than the goose's shit and then end up wailing why they have to live under slimebag regimes like Bush's.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. We got to keep the idiot DLC handlers from running his campaign.

"He just kills human beings.." Right. And, that's what Kerry should be talking about rather than doing the equivalent of kissing babies.

[Atlant]

39. I actually think that's the most important aspect of "the goose".

> We got to keep the idiot DLC handlers from running his campaign.

I actually think that's the most important aspect of "the goose".
It struck me as a real "Dukakis-in-atank-wearing-a-stupid-hat" moment,
and I think you can look for the Right to spin it as exactly that.

So:

o It annoyed the left,
o It won't motivate that target audience, and
o It will be used against us.


0-for-3 on this one, folks.

Atlant

[Redneck Socialist]

91. I'd say we're 2 for three on this one

and the third doesn't matter much.

1) the "left" isn't a monolithic PETA donating mass. Many on the left hunt and target of this photo op wasn't the not so powerful hug a bunny voting block.

2) It reassures the target audience and helps inoculate Kerry from the NRA's attacks

3) Those that would use it against us are already against us and would be attacking on some other front anyway. "Kerry's not a real hunter, he's gonna grab yer guns!" isn't much of attack.

[sangh0]

59. It's not the first time bandera's played the "pander" game

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x405644#406697

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

97. I"m not doing the pandering, Kerry is.

But, I'm sure that you will, as usual, avoid the question rather than make a coherent defense of it.

[AngryAmish]

40. Will he visit the golf courses around here please?

Those things make quite a mess.

[amazona]

63. one tiny note of sanity on this thread, thanks

THe folks here opposed to goose hunting must not have any idea of how the goose population has exploded and how it is impacting wetlands, breeding grounds, and, of course, public green spaces.

I used to be naive and think that all progressives kept up on environmental issues, but I've learned that too many have very little awareness of wildlife issues.

I don't see any reason why a goose hunt should be offensive to progressives. We are going to end up paying for these geese to be depopulated one way or another--we can encourage hunters to do their share or we'll end up paying professionals, either way, some of these geese are going to have to go.

[lynintenn]

42. His Goose is cooked

It would be nice if Kerry would have the goose cooked and invite some locals to eat with his staff.
My dad use to goose hunt but we always ate everything he killed.

[marano]

43. Maybe, just maybe he likes to hunt.

...and everybody needs a break once in a while. Let him have a little fun...he's gonna be real busy unfucking the country After Jan.

[cheezus]

89. no kidding, and this plays a lot better than windsurfing

this thead is stupid

[alittlelark]

44. Why are so many DUers hanging out under the bridge?

:eyes: :shrug:

[Q]

45. Why do so many participate in these 'flame bait' threads?

- If you haven't noticed...there are dozens of threads in General Discussion more worthy of your time. Over 40 posts on a fucking thread about a dead goose?

- Focus, people...upcoming is the most important election of a lifetime.

[2ndPlatoon]

67. Why don't you go to topics that interest you and let others

discuss what they want to. Some people can multi-task. Some people can talk on more than one topic.

[sangh0]

69. What do YOU have against free speech?

for someone who earlier advocated that posters be free to express their opinions, you've gotten incredibly sympathetic to the idea that some should keep quiet.

Funny how your opinion changed when it was YOU who was disagreed with. It's OK for YOU to criticize Kerry, but if someone criticizes YOU, you tell them to shut up and move on.

[amazona]

58. all work and no play make jack a dull boy

I don't begrduge Kerry some time to relax. Canada geese and snow geese are hugely expanded in numbers beyond their historical numbers, to the point of causing serious damage in some places. I see no harm in taking a goose and in some places it does much good for the environment to encourage more goose hunting.

[wicket]

66. hmmm....

:eyes:

[athensliberal]

78. It is political

The point here is political. It's that the event was staged as a politically driven photo op. I know both sides are going to do it, but I'm also allowed to criticize when I don't agree with how 'my guy' handles his. If anything, it's because it was sloppy. Why not have him give a short speech beforehand extolling the virtues of cutting down the goose population and how it's a responsible thing to do for the environment. It seems that by reading much of this thread that that's a valid and interesting point that many people, including myself, would be grateful to learn.

And yes, continue that photo-op to include him donating the meat of the goose to a family in need or something to that effect.

Now, to be fair, maybe they did that and the press didn't cover it (that'd come as no surprise) but that's just it...now the only image that came out of that was Kerry smiling holding a shotgun and a guy with a dead goose walking next to him.

I'm just not sure who that's supposed to sway and if anything it might give repubs a reason to gloat over the fact that he doesn't carry his own kill.

Sorry of this is taking us off he important work...but last time I checked, message boards were open to all kinds of discussion and the beauty of it is...if you don't want to waste YOUR time on it...then don't bother responding.

Thanks for hearing me out. And oh yeah...knock it off with the bullying and name calling of folks on here, it doesn't suit any of us well.

[Bridget Burke]

80. Bullying & name calling can be fun....

But alerting is more efficient.

Our OP is no longer with us. Dead as that goose, but far less tasty.

[sangh0]

82. And interesting that someone would come to DU

and register on DU two weeks before an election in order to talk about goose hunting.

[sangh0]

81. You're now changing your argument

which is a good idea, because you're original argument (ie that you are personally opposed to hunting) is so transparently ridiculous.

Now, you've changed your objection to "It's wrong to pander", but if that were truly your concern, I think you would have mentioned it in your first post.

I'm also allowed to criticize when I don't agree with how 'my guy' handles his. If anything, it's because it was sloppy.

Now, you're not concerned with pandering, but that it not be done in a "sloppy" manner. Yet, for some unexplained reason, this major concern of yours was nowhere to be found in your first posts in this thread. Why is that?

Why not have him give a short speech beforehand extolling the virtues of cutting down the goose population and how it's a responsible thing to do for the environment.

Actually, Kerry has given speeches about how hunting can be environmentally-freindly, but you shouldn't let that stop you from repeating that he hasn't. It's not as if you made any effort to find out if Kerry did or did not give such a speech before this hunting trip.

It seems that by reading much of this thread that that's a valid and interesting point that many people, including myself, would be grateful to learn

If you are so interested, why haven't you done any research on this? Kerry has spoken about the subject.

Now, to be fair, maybe they did that and the press didn't cover it (that'd come as no surprise) but that's just it...now the only image that came out of that was Kerry smiling holding a shotgun and a guy with a dead goose walking next to him.

So now, it's no longer about pandering or pandering sloppily. Now, you've moved onto claiming that this is going to hurt his campaign, but for some unexplained reason, you give no explanation for how and why this could hurt him. You just claim it's so, as if we are supposed to just believe it because you said it.

Sorry of this is taking us off he important work...but last time I checked, message boards were open to all kinds of discussion and the beauty of it is...if you don't want to waste YOUR time on it...then don't bother responding.

Nice idea of free speech you got there. "If you agree with me, you are allowed to post, but if you disagree with me, you shouldn't post your opinion in this thread"

People who think your thread is a waste of time are just as free to post their opinions as you are free to post your opinion that this hunt was a waste of time for Kerry.

Or maybe, if you think it's a waste of time, *YOU* could stop posting your opinion.

knock it off with the bullying and name calling of folks on here, it doesn't suit any of us well.

Poor boy. DO you really think that people posting their opinions is a way of "bullying"? Or is it that you can't tolerate criticism?

[Name removed]

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[Atlant]

86. Thanks -- that was one of my points exactly.

> Now, to be fair, maybe they did that and the press didn't cover it
> (that'd come as no surprise) but that's just it...now the only image
> that came out of that was Kerry smiling holding a shotgun and a guy
> with a dead goose walking next to him.

Thanks -- that was one of my points exactly. Look for that photo to
become the "Dukakis-riding-in-a-tank-wearing-a-silly-hat" of this
political season.


> And oh yeah...knock it off with the bullying and name calling of
> folks on here

Unfortunately, it's the stock-in-trade of many folks here, especially
when their arguments are weak or their candidate of choice has done
something as stupid as this.

Atlant

[SoCalDem]

83. He killed a whooping crane (very endangered) in Texas..then BURIED it

He claimed that he thought it was a DUCK... Yep.. the guy's eyesight must be failing too..

a FIVE FOOT TALL whooper loooked like a DUCK :eyes:

[DaveSZ]

90. Outdoorsmen are often the ones who are the best conservationists

TR is one example, but there are many other less famous ones who lead the fight for wilderness protections.

Aldo Leopold is another who comes to mind.

I welcome all outdoorsmen and women who are fed up with Bush's horrible enviornmental policies.

Kerry understands the needs of wildlife because he is an outdoorsmen himself.

[Atlant]

95. Here's the Chron's (AP's) article...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/10/21/politics0747EDT0494.DTL

<massive snip>

Kerry plans to deliver a new speech on faith this weekend in
Florida, McCurry said, focusing on an explanation of his values.

"The fact that Senator Kerry is a person of faith is something
that might help voters who are undecided," McCurry said.

Kerry has been explaining it more in recent weeks as he campaigns
in socially conservative areas like rural Ohio. At a town hall
meeting Saturday in Xenia, he talked about taking his rosary into
battle during the Vietnam War. "I will bring my faith with me to
the White House and it will guide me," Kerry said.

The faith, the baseball, the hunting all come at the end of a long
fight against Kerry's liberal elite image -- an image promoted by
his political enemies but perhaps aided by Kerry as well. The
candidate disregarded concerns from other Democrats that he
houldn't go windsurfing or vacation at his homes on Nantucket
and in Idaho's ski country.

[mdguss]

98. Kerry's a hunter:

Has been all his life. Hunters need open space and wildlife areas to hunt in. Hunting is good for the ecosystem. If I didn't live in the city, I'd shoot the Geese...damn things crap all over the sidewalk.

[Moderator]

99. I'm locking this thread

the original poster has been banned .