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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:21 PM
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Saw "TEAM AMERICA"last night. This film is VERY anti-liberal!
Okay, I laughed in some of it but overall this is a Freepers wet dream. They poke fun at liberals BIG TIME!!!Nothing against ANY rightwingers, ONLY LIBERALS!!! Liberals are the butt of the joke & are even the villians in this.Oh, & all the liberals Die a horrific death in this. TOTALLY bias! I mean, c'mon. How can they NOT have Bush puppet? I mean, he so much a charachter that needs to be mocked. This film was very mean spirited IMO. My firned said I didn't get it. That it was an extreme right wing edge to it & that was the joke. Well, I didn't get that when I saw it. TRUST ME, Freepers will call this film their own & Trey Parker & Matt Stone have sold out BIG TIME!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:23 PM
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1. Of course it's Freeptastic: They LOVE puppets.
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cosmicvortex20 Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:33 AM
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92. Uh its mean spirited because its about us?
or because its just mean spirited?
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Elginoid Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:24 PM
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2. and this surprises you...why?
Parker & Stone haven't sold out "BIG TIME!", they've always been right-wing pukes.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:33 PM
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6. Okay, just waiting for the 'Parker/Stone' defense gaggle to show up.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 12:33 PM by nownow
in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

I always figured if my hubby's Freeperish bigot family liked the show (edit - South Park, that is) as much as they do, it wasn't anything I wanted to subject myself to. Ditto the movie.

The only right-wing thing I ever saw them make fun of was evangelical religion, and not even all evangelicals are Republicans. I literally got through eleven minutes of one 'South Park' episode and decided I didn't need that. Anybody who can fool themselves Parker & Stone were ever 'even-handed' is rationalizing.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:01 PM
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17. Parker & Stone have always struck me as Libertarian.
And I don't mean that in a good way!
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:12 PM
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18. You probably mean the same thing I do when I say 'Libertarian'
which is to say 'dope-smoking Republican.'
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karabekian Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:56 PM
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56. lol
'dope-smoking Republican.'= 'Libertarian

good one }(
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:55 PM
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21. ..and here it is.
Parker and Stone have not only gone after evangelicals: they've also gone after the military, people easily offended by mass media, Mormons and a slew of others. The movie was also pretty much all about excoriating paranoia and finger-pointing at other nations. Apparently, you don't watch the show enough to realize that Parker and Stone pretty much go after everyone.

For God's sake, people need to build up some constitution around here.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:54 PM
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13. They are equal opportuniy offenders of crybabies everywhere...
Get over it, and enjoy.
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Elginoid Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:54 PM
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25. get over what?
from the trailers i've seen, I doubt that i would enjoy "Team America", so i doubt that i'll go-
BUT-
I absolutely LOVE South Park, and own a few seasons worth on DVD, with plans to buy more as they come available.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:08 PM
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26. I hadn't watched much South Park
but I saw a show recently - that must have been made a couple months after 9/11 and I thought it seemed fairly balanced until the end - when I was like :wtf:

I thought it took a big turn to the right.

So I'm not surprised.

I also think a lot of these supposed "satires" that make all politicians look like equal liars does NOT help our case - when we have the current administration to depose. They seem more likely to get people to say - "well the hell with it" and not vote.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:08 AM
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44. I am of the opinion that there isn't an honest politician out there.
D or R, they are all liars to some degree. I'll reserve judgement on Team America until I see it, but if they hold true to form, they are equal opportunity offenders.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:00 AM
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51. well I've known some reasonably honest ones
I believe it is a Republican tactic - smearing politicians - to suppress the vote.

But I also believe that people should give stronger weight to what politicians have actually done in the past than what they promise when they are running.

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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:26 AM
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53. I should clarify...I meant ones in high office.
There are plenty of honest folks on school boards and village councils around the country. I figure that once you get to Statewide or federal office, that you've lied too much, or are too power hungry.
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951 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:27 PM
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3. I can't wait for everyone to get pissed off at US...
When its seen around the world
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:31 PM
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4. It was a sneak preview last night
The audience was filled with mostly kids but they loved watching Michael Moore blow up an American secret base. They LOVED watching Janeane Garogffalo's head get blown up. They loved watching Susan Sarandon get killed & Tim Robbins catch fire. I kept saying why don't they have Ann COulter or some Right wing celebrity in it? Sean Penn & Alec Baldwin are the ones who "Hate America" & are the villians in this along with the North Korean leader. I was angry. I mean, I can take a little good ribbing, but c'mon, lets be fair! I loved the South Park movie because they attacked both sides equally. This is a campaign commerical for George Bush!
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:48 PM
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9. I think you missed the absurdity and irony
of the overall message.

WAR IS RIDICULOUS
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 01:00 AM
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96. I have no judgement on the movie, having not seen it,
but I'll venture this: maybe there aren't any repub "celebrities" worth the gunpowder it would take to blow them up. I tend to think an exploding Ann Coulter would elicit much head scratching and cricket noises in a theatre full of kids.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:31 PM
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5. Funny how it was getting advertised at DailyKos
That's why signing up for blanket web adverts isn't always a good thing.


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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:38 PM
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7. That movie is out already?
I thought it wasn't even out yet! Man I wanna go see it today.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are some of the greatest comic geniuses of our time.

Heyo
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InfoMinister Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:39 PM
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8. Haven't Seen It But It Makes Fun of Both Sides From What I've Heard
It paints the war on terror as some sort of macho action movie parody. In an attempt to "save" cities from terrorists they end up blowing them up anyway. I'll probably end up seeing it just to see what the fuss is about. I enjoy South Park so I'll probably like it.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:49 PM
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10. I'm sorry but any film that tries to paint liberals as traitors is sick
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 12:51 PM by w4rma
imho.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:00 AM
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37. posted in the other "sean penn" thread but...
One form of satire is to take something to a ludicrous extreme with no indication of mockery, as in the essay "A Modest Proposal."

One could easily imagine this parody of Thunderbirds as rightwing children's propaganda, and I'm imagining that's the tack they're taking.

...but I haven't seen it. I'm looking forward to it. If lots of people get mad, you know a nerve has been touched.

I read that they had Bush/Kerry puppets created, but decided not to use them.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:50 PM
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11. The day South Park becomes egalitarian
is the day it dies.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:26 PM
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20. It DOESN'T MAKE FUN OF BOTH SIDES
Only one side. Its VERY clear that the liberals are the butt of the joke. NOT ONE dig at the Repubs, ZERO! NONE! Thats what pissed me off. I kept waiting for their turn, & it never came. I tried looking at it from a point of view that it was satire & all, but didn't walk away from the movie with that. Neither did the audience. Heard alot of bashing of movie stars & Hollywood & how they should all just shut up! Sad thing is, this could have been better if it were more fair. I hope Stone & Parker makes alot of enemies from this. All & all I am sure it will do VERY WELL!
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:08 PM
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23. Not as blatant for sure.. but there were a few digs in there
"We had bad intelligence" and the computer replies, "I'm sorry".

As the TA plans are going down.. "WE HAVE NO INTELLIGENCE, I REPEAT WE HAVE NO INTELLIGENCE".

and of course TA doing MORE damage than any of the terrorists was quite obvious....

However, when the Eiffel Tower fell into the Arch de Triumph and there was a round of applause from the audience... I had a flashback to seeing the cheering Muslim's over the WTC....

Sad, that we've sunk to the same depths as terrorists.

My biggest problem with Trey & Matt over the years even with S'Park is their over-simplistic approach to complex social issues and usually told from the '5th grade comprehension level' at best.

The irony in the whole TA movie is that we HAVE NO TROOPS available to FIGHT NORTH KOREA should that become necessary because they're trapped in IRAQ!!!!!

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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:04 AM
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38. isn't the idea of...
"Team America: World Police" pretty much a joke on Bush's concept of controlling the rest of the world in general?

People have said the idea is they go into save cities but end up blithely destroying them in the process, kind of as this administration has done in Iraq if we are to believe to "we are there to spread peace" message they're currently peddling.

If the right wing slant gets the freeps in there and subliminally plants a message that war is ridiculous and bad, then more power to them.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:25 AM
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91. Ummm. Isn't the WHOLE FUCKING CONCEPT of
TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE done with puppets an attack on the right wing?

Isn't the whole IDEA that RW assholes think KILLING Liberal icons (along with all "towelheads") is GREAT an attack on the right wing?

Why do I feel like I'm listening to someone pissed off because Andy Kaufman wrestles women?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:51 PM
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12. This was the flavor I got from the trailer. First, it didn't seem very
funny to me. Second, it looked like sort of a pro-bushco pro-war and primarily liberal bashing thing.

So if you are confirming that is what it is, then fuck Parker and Stone. No bux from me for this film.

I will wait to hear a few more reviews about this though. But I am unlikely to go see it.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:57 PM
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15. it will be praised for it's 'nerve'
'bucking traditional hollywood', etc.

if it was anti-wingnut: it would be trashed as one-sided.

just watch.

the nytimes will find themselves 'laughing in spite of" themselves.

i mean, 'who wouldn't find the deaths of sarandon and moore funny?'
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:10 PM
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24. LOL! When you have the HERO giving a BJ to the Intelligence Head..
... I guess 'nerve' might the word, but 'shock' is probably more apt!
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Toussaint Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:01 PM
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67. Why do all DUers...
Denounce anything that takes shots at their ideology as "pro-Bush" or "right wing"? Libertarianism, for one is not even close to right wing, especially not the right-wing exemplified by the Bush Administration.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 01:07 AM
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72. ALL DU'ers don't
and libertarianism may have a couple good points, but it is mostly the wild west. In fact, many of our current problems have their roots in libertarianism since libertarians were largely behind tha law and economics movement which helped concentrate wealth in this nation via doing away with regulations that kept power in check.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 01:05 AM
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97. no, if it were anti-wingnut, it wouldn't get distributed.
Parker and Stone are just pragmatic capitalists and nothing more. It's sad to me that these posts demonstrate that anyone who thinks they are geniuses has been exposed to very little real genius.
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:56 PM
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14. how were the puppets?
The puppets in the trailer looked very amateurish and unfunny. I mean, I don't think these guys did puppet work before this.. plus they rushed the movie to theatres before the election. If it is how you described it, sounds like a flop.
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InfoMinister Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:59 PM
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22. That's The Whole Point. It's Supposed To Have Crappy Puppets
It's based on that TV show that was around in the 70's that had the lame puppets in it. Can't remember the name.
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masshole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:33 PM
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29. Thunderbirds
and Captain Scarlett used the puppets. I saw a show on some obscure cable channel awhile back about Thunderbirds, and how the made the show. The craftsmanship and detail in all the models they used was really impressive.
Sunday morning TV when I was a kid...it sure beat watching "Davey and Goliath".
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:56 AM
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36. the thunderbirds tv show
actually dates back to 1966 england (there was even a full-length movie)
the detail and amount of work which went into that show was VERY advanced for it's time (when the show ended it's run, most of the staff went independent in hollywood, doing technical stuff for big movies)
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Zing Zing Zingbah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:17 AM
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45. I know what you are talking about.
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:21 AM by babyreblin
They used to show it on the sci fi channel. The show was funny because it was so cheesy. I can't remember what it was called either.

Oh.. Captain Scarlett was the name of the show. I see someone else posted it. I was thinking Captain Red,but I knew that wasn't right. I guess I was close.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:57 PM
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16. Successful satire should aim to piss off everyone
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 12:58 PM by Minstrel Boy
on one level or another. Parker & Stone do this. I don't know that it's right to say they've "sold out," because I never thought of them as liberal artists. South Park often expresses a liberal critique of conservative values, satirically masked. But also, vice versa.

If freepers champion "Team America's World Police," then they just don't get satire.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:21 PM
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19. could this be so over the top as to make bush look like a puppet ?
I haven't seen it and won't go see it in the theatre .

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Mirrorboy Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:11 PM
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27. Actually
they haven't sold out. They are the rebels in Hollywood. Most are liberals there. They are going against the grain. and will probably be shunned. I bet they don't get invited to mtv award shows anymore.


Who cares anyway. It is a movie with a bunch of puppets. It isn't like it is F-911 or something. It is puppets.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:14 PM
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28. They are such brave brave brave rebels...
whatever.

They should spend the rest of their days in the
Denise Miller home for washed up right wing shills.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:35 PM
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30. Stopped consuming South Park et. al Parker/Stone products
when I learned they are just a could of RWers. I feel that their work has unmasked a lot of American hypocracy. However, they do not bother to unmask their own in the process.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:51 PM
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57. What's interesting is, with the exception of the digs at liberals,
Stone and Parker's humour goes right over the heads of most literal mided and easily offended freepers. For the most part, this is a group that does not understand sarcasm or irony. Why are they pandering to the group that will most likely get them either taken off the air or censor the more "offensive" aspects of thier humor.

Way to go, Idiots.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:32 AM
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80. Perhaps they're not "pandering" to that group.
Or any group, for that matter. :shrug:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:33 AM
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93. No. It's a brilliant a marketing plan. Liberals are hip enough to "get"
satire and confident enough in their politics to laugh at their own excesses.

Freepers ain't.

So a movie that appears on the surface to celebrate freeptitude but that's actually satirizing the hell out of it markets better than almost any other form of satire.

Simply put, they can appreciate the film like little kids. We can appreciate it like adults. Of course, I haven't seen it yet, but that's how South Park is, at least in general.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:49 PM
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31. Its hard to keep an open mind
when Trey Parker is defending the show as not being "pro-Bush" before the movie even came out today.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 03:51 PM
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60. They decided not to use a Bush puppet, probably after right wing pressure
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 03:52 PM by Democat
Remember, the right wing attacked them and they made a statement saying they wouldn't make fun of Bush - it was probably after that they decided not to use their Bush puppet in the film.

These guys are ass kissing the right wing and attacking the left.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:55 PM
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32. Here's what they have said...crappy messages
What it isn't, the pair insist, is an attack on Bush and the Republicans.

"It has a lot of messages, but the overall message is really just one of optimism, 'cause when you laugh at s- - - you're just inherently saying, 'People, it's not as f- - -ing dire as you're all making it out to be," Parker says. "That's our point."

We should make a little PSA : 'Please, if you're the kind of person who's going to change your vote based on seeing our movie or seeing Michael Moore's movie, you should not be voting. Please don't vote. Thank you very much.' "

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/30964.htm

If you don't know what you're talking about, there's no shame in not voting," Stone says finally. "They say if you don't vote, you can't bitch. But you can bitch all you want. This is America."


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6539084 ...





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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:37 AM
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33. Hey wait a minute!
I thought these guys were supposed to be funny. Why do they sound so pissed off and defensive already?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:53 AM
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34. Wow, they forgot 9/11 already. nt
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:56 AM
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35. Parker and Stone have always been assholes. Why does this surprise you?
South Park is nothing but ugliness and cynicism taken to the 9th degree. The fact that it is funny doesn't make it less amoral.

Which kid always dies? The poor kid, whose house is full of rats as a comedy device.

Gays are constantsly made out to be disgusting perverts, fisting, etc.

I hate a lot of what south park represents, in spite of the fact that its' often very funny.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:10 AM
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39. "Gays are constantsly made out to be disgusting perverts, fisting, etc."
Episode: "Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride".

Big Gay Al is cringingly flamboyant, but the message of the episode is that Stan rejects his dog for being gay because he is afraid of being made fun of, then ultimately decides it doesn't matter and he loves his dog no matter what he is.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:21 AM
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40. Irrelevant. The characters are always presented as an unappealing "other"
Problem is, most gays, being fairly "normal" in their everyday lives, wouldn't make great comedy fodder, so they take ugly gay stereotypes to the extreme.

I doubt they have a problem with gays, but their show, like eminem, sends the wrong message to stupid people who take it at face value.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 04:23 AM
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42. Whatever...
There are normal gay people and there are ones who act like those portrayed on South Park. The ultimate message is one of tolerance. They make fun of Cartman for being fat, and they do it because he's vicious, but he's still their friend.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 12:57 AM
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71. I've known more than a few gay men living in SF.
And I've yet to meet ANYONE that rresembles big gay Al.

There are masculine, feminine, just regular guy types, but none who act or dress in such a caricaturish way. Al even looks kinda dirty
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 01:44 AM
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74. Not all gay men live in SF, you know
I happen to know a man who's a dead ringer for Big Gay Al and he just so happens to be the bartender at Scot's, the gay bar I hang at. Right down to the bright Hawaiian shirts and scarf. I also know a drag queen who could give Big Gay Al a run for his money when in comes to flamboyant behavior. Is it possible that Chicago's gay community has become more theatrical than San Francisco's? Or perhaps it's just possible that your acquaintance does not necessarily represent the entire spectrum of the gay community?

I think you completely missed the point of Big Gay and of the gay characters in South Park. Big Gay Al is the only character in South Park who is completely happy. He leads a fabulous life and helps alienated gay animals, particularly Stan's dog (voiced by George Clooney, no less, so I suppose you're going to have to hate him now too, seeing as he is friends with Stone and Parker).

The miserable and perverted characters are those who are closeted and untrue to themselves (and others) like Mr. Garrison. Most of my gay friends adore South Park and have no problems with Parker and Stone, as they preach acceptance and tolerance in a way that actually might get through to straight teenagers. It is a cartoon, after all.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 01:58 AM
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75. I fail to see how they teach "acceptance or tolerance"
I watch the show on and off, and I admit it's funny, but I don't think it teaches ANYTHING.

I also don't thing stereotypes like Al would be harmful if most people had a decent education and upbringing, but there are a lot of angry young punks our there looking for someone to feel superior to, and seeing characters like Al, or even moreso, "Slave" (the one getting fisted all the time) reinforce their prejudices, giving them an excuse in their own mid to act out in an ugly way in real life whould they ever meet a real gay person, or someone they perceive as one.

Since you're gay, I won't presume to lecture you about this, especially since it puts ME in the position of being the PC one (which I never thought would happen)

I don't hate the characters at all. I just worry how some miscreants would view them. Also, isn't Mr. Garrison "out", now?

I don't hate Clooney either, but why should I like Parker and Stone? Everything I've seen implies that they fall in the range between extreme libertarian and republican greedhead. Their humor, while well-done, is often cynical and mean-spirited.

But I guess it's a matter of taste, too. I prefer South Park over that horrible "Shorties" show, or "Reno 911".
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 12:20 PM
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85. Perhaps I haven't been keeping up with SP...
and I know they run the gamut of everything that could possibly be offensive, but I haven't noticed any major plot points about "fisting". I don't doubt they've used it, but you've mentioned it twice. You also know about the character Mr. Slave, so I'm wondering if you've just happened to catch one episode where that character was featured prominently...he's a relatively recent addition.

If "angry young punks" are watching South Park, they're seeing that gay (and often eccentric) characters are part of the community and no more crazy or worthy of ridicule than anyone else in that town.
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GmoneyOwnsYou Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 03:59 AM
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41. It's a propaganda film
the title wants to make closed minded people think America is so good for being "World Police". Oh geez, we're in a lot of trouble.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:58 AM
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43. those guys lost me years ago
when they trashed rain forest preservation & biodiversity. Call me touchy and humorless but I can't get any chuckles out of human caused mass extinction.
They can be funny as hell, while visiting I saw their treatment of The Passion/Mel Gibson and will admit to being in stitches. Judging from my previous opinion and this newest offering I must conclude that they are simply amoral and proud of their ignorance, not really an acceptable position in these strange and terrible times.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 10:04 AM
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50. I agree they are completely clueless when it comes to social satire.
The daily show is about the only people who do it well these days. John knows how to go after both sides in a way that still shows you he and his staff have a clue what is going on in the world. The SP guys just latch on to whatever MEME is out for LCD cheap laughs.

Potty humor is what they are about mostly.
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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:57 AM
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78. I hate to say this..
Edited on Tue Oct-12-04 10:57 AM by Heyo
.. but that was one of the funniest episodes of South park I ever saw.

Mr. Mackey changed his "M'kay" to "M'bueno" when they were down in Central America.

I believe that was the "getting gay with kids" episode. It's just a joke people. That one had my side hurting, as most of them do.

Heyo
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:30 AM
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46. Are you being sarcastic?
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:34 AM by EV1Ltimm
My sarcasm-meter is on the fritz.

This is another one of those "I haven't seen it yet, but..." posts.

I would think that since the heroes of the film are driving around in a flag-wrapped H2, it would be an obvious attack on the right.

Maybe liberals are considered "traitors" in this movie as an over-the-top generalization that has been plaguing the right. Of course "every liberal wiped off the face of the earth" has been a recurring theme that I hear from right-wingers on a consistent basis.

And Parker himself even said that he hates actors and we really shouldn't care what they have to say about anything, so seeing them getting blown up really isn't as anti-liberal as it is anti-hollywood.

Staking-out Muslim terrorists in France? Blowing up Middle-Eastern landmarks? And Kim Jong Il, the guy Bush is ignoring, is the main bad guy? I could just be blowing smoke, but there's just too much I've heard about this film to think it's a right-wing puff piece.

I think "Falling Down" is more of a freeper's wet dream.

edit: my grammar am bad
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:19 AM
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52. "we really shouldn't care what they have to say about anything"
Well - it would stand to reason that right-wing people would say that about Hollywood actors - so as to minimize the impact.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:44 AM
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47. Lucky for me...
.... I stopped going to movies with puppets about 30 years ago.

Stone/Parker may be funny but there are some limitations that just cannot be overcome.

And besides, I scoff derisively at Libertarianism. It is a joke of a philosophy for people who cannot handle the reality that life is complex and there is no single simple principle that can be effectively applied to everything.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 09:17 AM
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48. If the movie wasn't right wing propaganda, they would make fun of Bush
Anyone who doesn't realize that the Southpark guys are sucking up to the right wing by now has not been paying attention.

They are Republicans, no matter what they try to call themselves this week.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 09:53 AM
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49. There Is a Serious Irony Deficiency On This Board
We're so irony-deficient, we're ANEMIC.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:30 AM
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54. They made "That's My Bush" - which showed W as nice guy, just
a bit haples, but not stupid - a nicer Forrest Gump. Karl was in it (and approved it too).
South Part excoriates Streisand, Afleck and every liberal celebrity they can think of.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:50 AM
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55. They're passe
their whole ironic, nihilistic attitude is tired after 9-11 and our invasion of Iraq. I can only see Parker and Stone appealing to middle-schoolers. Even high school students have moved on from these guys. They've taken an easy road: stand for nothing. And that's supposed to be cool. It isn't. It's just lazy. They're no different than Bush. Low-brow fake cowboys of no substance.

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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:54 PM
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58. I agree, their day is over.
RIP
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:40 AM
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82. To quote Dante:
"The hottest place in hell is reserved for those who, in times of great crisis, remain neutral."
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:56 PM
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59. It's coming out right before election to influence the vote.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 12:22 PM
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86. Influence the vote...?
That we shouldn't put national security in the hands of puppets?
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Simeon Salus Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:30 PM
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61. I also saw TA Saturday night
Since nobody's really jumping to the film's defence, I'll point out there was no Kerry puppet in the film, either.

I'm a long-time liberal. I saw nothing in that film intended to provoke any action other than laughter at liberal celebs (as Jon Stewart said last week, "You don't get to pick if you're the voice of a generation") or subtle outrage at America's continuing cowboy diplomacy.

In my defense, I'm a big Thunderbirds fan from my little kid days (it was new when I was little).

The film was flat funny. If it makes freepers laugh, then maybe some of them will get the overall theme, which is to question why America feels the necessity to police the world in the first place.

In the film I watched, Kim Jong Il was the villain, and the liberal icons were easily duped by their self-importance into serving KJI's purpose.

By the way, Matt and Trey sold out years ago openly. Now they get to do projects that interest them. Paramount took a huge chance (since the non-South Park movies have had sucky box office).

It was the funniest film I've seen in quite a while.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:41 PM
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62. The South Park defenders will always make excuses
even when Parker and Stone make a movie depicting liberals are traitors and idiots. I'm sure they will have excuses if they make a movie that shows liberals getting gassed as part of a pogrom.

yeah they are sometimes funny, but they despise (or seem to despise) liberals. Why should we make excuses for that?
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 12:27 PM
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87. have you seen it yet?
We have to take our own 9/11 rule...don't bash unless you've seen it.

Parker and Stone portray nearly EVERYONE as idiots. If you move your thinking up a layer, perhaps this film is an ironic idea of what the freeps would feed their children if allowed to make a puppet show?

Remember that the essay "A Modest Proposal" which was about solving hunger by suggesting people cook and eat children also had no internal indication that it was satire.

Haven't seen it, but I can't wait.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:23 AM
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90. Ah, Christ! Please don't compare those two smarmy dorks to Swift
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:44 AM
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94. Do you hate Bill Hicks, too? I mean, he's so misogynistic ...
Also, Jonathan Swift wants to kill babies!
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lalonso Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:43 PM
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63. Hmm
If it's purely political, perhaps I'll reconsider seeing it.
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Soup Bean Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:50 PM
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64. I'm going to wait until I see it.
Trey and Matt usually run right down the middle of the road. They piss off everyone in most cases.

I remember the episode of South Park where they were protesting the war....all the conservative war hawks were redneck country music-singing assholes. The liberals were "tree-hugging hippy pieces of crap", to quote Eric Cartman.

They had one on immigration and outsourcing that showed the liberal point of view in the end. You can never tell with those two. I always know they're going to make me laugh, though.

Laughing is good for you, and so is knowing when to take some constructive criticism when your point of view is a little...over the top. I think that's why the Daily Show is so successful. They point out the absurdity in everything.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:58 PM
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65. If they are equal offenders, why no Rush, Dennis Miller, puppets?
They show the murder and abuse of liberal puppets, but don't make fun of anyone on the right according the the thread starter.

That doesn't sound equal.

These guys are right wing supporters and have been for years - they are getting worse and more blatant because they are afraid of offending the right wing but not afraid of offending the left.

I can't believe there are still people who don't realize that the Southpark guys are Republican shills.

Bill O'Reilly claims to be an independent too, do people believe him also?
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Soup Bean Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:04 PM
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66. Perception.
I don't see it that way. I love South Park, it makes me laugh. I'd vote for a turnip before I vote for Bush.

I haven't seen the movie. If they blow up a bunch of liberal puppets, and the Ann Coulters of the world start saying "yeah!", and some other people say "yeah" after they listen to her, at least I know the people who are fairly stupid for what they are. Plus, nobody reasonable really wants to blow up liberals.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:08 PM
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68. F.A.G. ...sure. its funny to use slurs.
I read about this in Rolling Stone....they are trying to tapdance around this, but i can see through the BS.....
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:10 PM
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69. Do you really think Republicans are even going to go watch it?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 09:40 PM
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70. Really, I doubt this movie is going to change anyones vote
While I'm not a regular South Park watcher, I thought the SP movie was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen, and if anything it was slanted way left. Remember the war in the South Park movie? Minorities strapped to tanks and used as cannon fodder. Thats about as left wing satire as it gets. I will see TA this weekend and judge for myself...
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Gaffey Duck Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 01:20 AM
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73. Welcome to Big Gay Al's Big Gay Brainwashing!
lol
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 03:36 AM
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76. Horrific Labor Practices at South Park
As someone who used to work there, it is truly one of the worst animation studios in the country.

Their standard work contract is for 70 hour weeks before they pay overtime. They will regularly hire people, work them 6-8 weeks at 70 hours/week, then lay them off for four weeks before hiring them back.

They have tried to bust unionization on the production many times, including firing people who were trying to organize.

I have other stories, including those of sexual harrassment.

South Park is fun to watch, not fun at all to make.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 04:34 AM
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77. why on earth would you watch such crap?
you couldn't tell from the trailer it was pure crap?
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:29 AM
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79. Get a grip...the movie is called "Team America..World police"...
With a title like that, how much more sarcastic could they have been?
What you don't like the fact they blow up celebs? Everyone hates celebrities...I believe the big mouthed celebs that mouth off supporting our side with idiotic statements hurt us more than anyone realizes. They always come off as spoiled brats....no one listens to spoiled brats.
Yes Parker and Stone tend towards a Libertarian world view...which basically means everyone sucks. I have no problem with that.
I can't wait to see the movie this weekend...if it's as bad as you say, I'll take back what I've said.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:50 AM
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83. what world view?
they don't have a view. That's why they're so boring. They're nihilistics with nothing to say. I'd rather listen to a self-indulgent celebrity who has opinions and beliefs than self-indulgent filmmakers who are vapid. This movie is my idea of torture. The trailers have been so incredibly insipid I can't imagine how mind-crushingly dull the entire movie will be.
But, hey, puppets having sex just isn't my thing.
Enjoy.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:39 AM
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81. I love South Park
It's a movie with puppets for god's sake. How serious can it be?
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kerrywins Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 12:00 PM
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84. How did you see it?
i thought it comes out in 2 weeks...
either way though....South Park is genius....regardless of how much people hate these 2 guys...
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clt510 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:22 PM
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88. time to lighten up guys
As far as I can tell, it is more of a stab at self-righteous hollywood types (the self-righteous ones all turn out to be liberal), rather than liberals or progressives in general. I will definitely see this movie and remember to bring my sense of humor. Alex Baldwin tends to make me want to barf with his self-righteousness in any case, and I'm afraid Michael Moore has always been a standout example to me of why people should finish their college education rather than drop out in the middle. They won't be missed. ;-)
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Flor2004 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:40 PM
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89. simply satire
are we going to get angry at every SNL skit that labels Kerry as a confusing flopper, no. it's ok to laugh at ourselves. The movie means little. everyone take a deep breath.....
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 01:13 AM
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98. Some people don't get to college,and some get blown up
in Iraq trying to get there, and some can't afford to finish, like me, thanks to Ronnie Reagan.

You sound like an elitist. And you sound like you are lost.

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Kipepeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:47 AM
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95. They suck
They celebrate and encourage apathy. Always have.
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