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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:31 AM
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Help!!!! How do I deal with my Repuglican family?
I received an e-mail from a member of my family today with the attachment that follows.
While it is easily ignorable I still felt compelled to respond and in doing so was confronted with an intense sadness over my family's ideology (or willful lack of one) and the dawning that I don't recognize these people at all. My family are strangers to me and I fail to see anymore how I am related to them.

Can anyone help me?

p.s. I pointed out to my sib that the only redeeming bit in what was sent was the concession that Kerry will be President in 2005. An unintended bit of irony that would have been lost on them.
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Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: AMERICANS WITH NO ABILITIES ACT
Importance: High

AMERICANS WITH NO ABILITIES ACT PASSES CONGRESS
May 23, 2005

WASHINGTON, DC (AP) - Congress approved sweeping legislation, which
provides new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No
Abilities
Act (AWNAA), signed into law by President John Kerry shortly after its
passage, is being hailed as a major victory by advocates of the millions
of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

"Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive
necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,"
said
Kerry, a longtime AWNAA supporter.  "This is why many of them voted for
me.  We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be
ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no
longer
be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply
because they do a better job, or have some idea of what they are doing,"
said Kerry.

President Kerry pointed to the success of the US Postal Service, Which
has
a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to
performance.  Approximately 80 percent of postal employees lack job
skills, making this agency the single largest US employer of Persons of
Inability.

Private sector industries with good records of non discrimination
against
the inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%), and
home
improvement "warehouse" stores (65%).
 
President Kerry has also set an example, personally selecting hundreds
of
non-abled people for top government positions, including many
cabinet-level jobs.

Under the Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million "middle
man" positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but
little
real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and
performance.
Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given, to
guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The
legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations which
maintain
a significant level of Persons of Inability in top positions, and gives
a
tax credit to small and medium businesses that agree to hire one
clueless
worker for every two talented hires.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:35 AM
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1. Two Words

Lizzie Borden
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. ROFL!!!.................... n/t
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:36 AM
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2. And the first new hire under the program would be GW Bush....
EOM
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Insomnicole Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #2
31. Heck, I think Dubya's been benefiting from that act for years! eom
no message
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:36 AM
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3. Tell him you don't appreciate his attempts to foster class warfare with
his lame humor. Also, file this away for the time in the future when he may be unemployed and collecting unemployment. Then bring it out and rub his nose in it and ask him how it feels to be part of the "unabled".
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:39 AM
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4. PM Me And I Will Respond To Your Family Personally
I have been unemployed for 51 months.

I have stopped counting but have over 2,500 resumes out the door in the last 4 years.

To date, I have yet to see significant interest form any company or other entity.

My resume includes the following:

BSEE - Bachelor of Science Electrical Engineering
MBA - Masters in Business Administration
FAA Certified Commercial Pilot
Honorably Discharged Naval Officer

15 years of solid professional work experience.

Tell your family to try to tell me to my face that I have not worked hard to establish a place for myself in America.

I have not left America, America has left me!

PS - when you PM me I will provide a web link to my resume to substantiate my claims.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:50 AM
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10. Woah...

Man, if I have the wherewithal at some point...I can't afford to do it currently, but when the time comes around, you're the kind of guy I'd hire in a New York minute.

Can you send me your resume just in case?

TIA,

Dave
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. Hi Dave - PM Me With An Email Address And I Will Gladly Reply
eom
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:55 AM
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15. The worst kind of advice coming
Sorry for the unsolicited advice, but have you tried sales jobs?

I've had a small business the last 15 years, and I'd be real hesitant hiring someone who had been unemployed for over four years. You need to put a job on your resume even if it's selling textbooks or working retail.

Sorry for the unasked for advice.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:02 AM
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20. Not A Salesperson And I Understand You Comment
Edited on Tue Sep-28-04 02:05 AM by mhr
Sadly there are thousands like me in the US who worked in High-Tech and find themselves up the creek without a paddle.

In North Dallas, my current home, 112,000 people lost their jobs in Telecom alone during 2001-2002. That represented 3.2 billion dollars in annual lost wages.

See the following graph to see how badly Texas has been hit by Bush's economy. It came from the Dallas Federal Reserve.

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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:06 AM
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21. thats awful man
with that kind of resume, i just dont understand how you aren't being courted by some major companies. best of luck to you

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat
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stryker18 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #21
56. Welcome to the wonderful world of outsourced jobs
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:41 AM
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6. You're not the only one
I realize today that I was really blind about a great many people. I am just cutting off contact for my own sanity's sake.

If you look around, you can find something on DU to send back. Highlight the text, hit Ctrl+C, then click on your e-mail page where you want the text to go and hit Ctrl+V and Viola! A little cleanup and you're good to go.

You might add that there are plenty of skilled people out there who would love to have jobs.

Maybe send back a bogus "Only AWOL, Coke-addicted Republican DUI convicts will be allowed to run for public office, thanks to new changes proposed in the Patriot Act III. 'Everyone knows Democrats and Green Party folks are not Patriots,' said Vice Warlock Cheney,' John Asscrust assures me they won't be allowed to even vote under the new provisions. Remember, terrorists and Democrats hate us for our freedoms. And cocaine binges while AWOL are as free as a man can get!"
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:42 AM
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7. don`t say a dam thing to him/her
if they ask what you think ask them what they meant by sending it...always ask a rethug what they mean and what facts they are using
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:52 AM
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13. Too late
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:46 AM
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8. Thank him/her profusely
Tell him/her you're going to copy that sucker and post it on every bulletin board in a 50 mile radius to let workers know what Republicans really think of them.

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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
23. Now that is an excellent idea
Cheers!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #8
32. Especially
at post offices.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #32
44. LOL
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:46 AM
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9. Perhaps something Biblical would help...

"The Americans with no abilities act"...this mail...it's a double-edged sword. One one hand, they're holding on to the bankrupt 'manifest destiny' philosophy...the idea that everyone who can make it, does. It's simply not true. One of the center planks in the 'conservative' philosophy, and it's total bullshit.

On the other hand, they're making fun of the Americans with Disibilities Act. This is a good law that's designed to help protect those among us with paralysis, polio, birth defects; you know - the weakest amongst us.

The old book says, "Curse not the deaf, nor place a stumbling-block before the blind." This means DON'T MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WEAKER THAN YOU. Idiots who vote Republican often think it's funny to make fun of what they percieve as weakness. In my book, it's a clear sign of their own insecurities, a banner of the fraility of their underlying morals and the hallmark of a total lack of ethics, of genuine compassion.

Your family sound like they could use a refresher course on this idea. Feel free to forward the paragraph above to everybody on the cc list for that idiotic mailing.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:51 AM
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11. To deal with the family:
Okay, mine aren't repugs, just... clueless. Dems by inheritance.

I sent an email a couple of years ago when the spam was flying thick and the conservative glurge was just insane.... it went something like this (Before I switched to the mac so I have lost it, else I'd copy paste it....)

Gran, Mom, (Sis - who has recovered), Aunt (and probably a few others),

I want you to realize that I care for you very much and respect your rights to opinions. However, you don't return the courtesy. We've had a few conversations where I've made my political and philosophical stances known very clearly and I'm sure you understood what I was saying because you agreed with some of my points and also agreed that we can co-exist and cooperate without having to coincide.

Your recent emails of the Nth of Y, the Xth of Y, the Zth of Y, and the Bnd of Z lead me to believe that while I respect your opinions and beliefs, you have chosen to disregard that respect in return. You're Christian, you raised me Christian, and one of the basic tenets I was taught was to treat others as we would wish to be treated. I know your positions on minorities, for example, and so I do not ask you to write letters or work on behalf of racial equality because you don't understand. I wish you'd do the same for me.

These messages have to stop. For the Nth of Y message, I took time out and wrote a lengthy reply pointing you to sources and articles that make the originator's comments appear less 100% than he stated. In fact, in several places, he was wrong. I hope you understand that I did this so you can see that just because it's email doesn't mean it's accurate! Trusting documents on the web is like trusting rattlesnakes. Eventually, you'll get bit.

So here's the deal. I won't send you documents that would bug you if you will stop doing so to me. But if you won't stop, then instead of retaliation, I'm just going to ignore everything from you. I'll put you in my Spam filter and hope that nothing bad happens. Because what you're sending me is spam. Since I set all of you up with your computers and taught you to use them, I know I've been online longer than all of you, and I doubt you can send me anything new that's been forwarded to you.

This is a sanity saver, not because I don't like you.

blah.....

It worked pretty well. By staying calm and reasonable, they handled it pretty reasonably, too.

Tailor something like that to them - but that last bit is important - that you won't retaliate, you'll just drop them into spam and give up. Don't offer to fight, offer to ignore. And remind them that you treat them as you wish to be treated; if they wish to be treated to lit and glurge that pisses them off, you CAN oblige.... but....

Pcat

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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #11
19. Here is how I responded
I sent this before I started this thread:

Sis,
I'm not sure why you would be sending this to me or what I'm supposed to take from it. I would think, given the history of volatility surrounding the "family political discussions" in which I have participated, that you would know better. Lest it be unclear to you: My politics are in direct opposition with the family's support of that lying war-criminal who now holds office and his fascist cabal of a cabinet.
I'll assume that this was sent with the belief that I would find some humor in it. Let me be blunt in saying that I don't. If you must, dismiss it as "Liberal Earnestness" or, in mom's case, an assertion that my sense of humor has died, but what is happening under the Bush Regime is, to me, no laughing matter. I can only surmise from this e-mail I've received that you support this President and his actions (his "catastrophic success" to use his own aptly mangled phraseology). You underestimate the gravity of the situation facing this country or are oblivious to it; in which case I would urge you to put that sharp intellect of yours to better use and get informed about what is really happening instead of wasting my time and your own with this crap. You are too intelligent for this, Nic. 1050+ American soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead... all for the lies told by the current Administration. Ha. Ha. Ha...

There is, however, one redeeming item in what you've sent: It concedes that Kerry will be President in 2005. Surely, an unintended bit of irony.

Q
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LiberalEconomist Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #19
48. I had enough of my sister and her
mullet head bush cult husband. So I told her that my sister no longer exists. I come from a very strong family but this election is way too important.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:51 AM
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12. You answered your own question
It's easily ignorable. Ignore it.

Don't get in political arguments with your family. Only thing worse is inlaws.
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:53 AM
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14. Well that's a nice little devisive piece
Edited on Tue Sep-28-04 01:54 AM by sr_pacifica
It just shows the attitude of destain that permeates the Republican party---looking down on working people with the ugly kind of smugness that has been the hallmark of Bush's face.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 01:57 AM
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17. 2006 Bu$h passes 50 hour work week law.
As of jan 20th, 2006 all US workers are required to work the new mandatory 50 hr work week. As an added bonus, congress has enforced all employers to doc each workers salaries in the amount of $150 per week to help pay for their health insurance. That is their employers heath care. The American economy cannot continue to grow unless all employees pay for their CEO's health, as a healthy CEO leads to a healthy America and a ever lasting Republican party. Remember Americans, hard work is good for the soul and good for your leaders, keeping you safe from those evil liberals who fight to increase your pay. What an evil thing to do, increase pay. Goddam those liberals.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #17
30. Is that BEFORE or AFTER...
Bushco cuts the minimum wage to $1.00 an hour?
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:00 AM
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18. It's late, I'm tired. I'm not sure I believe what I'm reading...!!
homina homina....geeeeeeeeeeeeeez

Wow, you have my sympathy. You have to do what is right for you.

If it were my family (I'm older so I'm full of "verbiage" and I'm not dependent on family ties anymore), I'd shame them back to the stone age! I'd take this piece of garbage and show it to all their friends and generally make a spectacle of their bigotry BIG TIME. But that's just me. Good luck.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #18
42. I'm no longer dependant on
family ties either, thank God! The trouble is my verbiage falls on deaf ears. Also, it would do no good to send it to their friends because they would all find it HILARIOUS...

Can't shame people who have no shame.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #42
54. "cant shame people who have no shame" - you said it all...
im not sure who i feel most sorry for. you, or them
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #54
59. and I'm unclear as to the tone of your post
would you clarify for me?
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #42
57. Again, Q, you really, truly have my sympathies.... as it turns
out though, (and I feel "ashamed" for even talking badly about someone else's family) you HAVE shamed them right here in DU. Heaven only knows how many eyes have seen this thread by now.

Again, however, each person has to deal with things like this as it seems fitting for them. If you have loving feelings for members of your family for reasons other than politics, perhaps it's best to just draw away from them and 'let sleeping dogs lie'. Go on about your life, hold fast to your principles and refrain from politics and religion with the "family".

Distance and quiet is sometimes the better part of wisdom in matters like these. You can maintain an affection for others from afar..without having to go and get all tangled up in their madnesses.
I sure stayed away from mine when they went off their rails..hello, goodbye Who needs it. Still cared about them as parents etc. but didn't need the hassel. Best wishes.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #57
58. I understand what you say
But I'm confident that no one in my family visits DU. At best, to all who took the time the read this thread and/or respond, my family remains a fiction of sorts (no names were used and nobody knows me here)... my intention was not to shame them on the internet, but instead to cope in some way with a situation that has grown increasingly impossible to live with and to ignore. I appreciate your suggestions. Thanks.
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Still_Notafraid Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:07 AM
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22. Sad isn't it
I can tell what two items this post is attacking.Unions and Hand up policy's,It is sick stereo typing humor that fuel's/feeds to there fears.you tell them that corporations receive 20 times more welfare then all hand up programs combined hand up = welfare for the poor,section 8 housing,homelessness,free daycare and countless other programs that prove that as real Americans we care about our week,feeble and defenseless.

we are not the whinny people the media paints us to be about being poor,democrats really do know that being poor in America is being rich in 90% of the world.Unions made this country if it wasn't for Unions we would have no middle class we would all be making 7.00$ serving the wealthy.just like every other country that has no worker rights.unions made worker rights, Union made-40 hour work week,overtime,medical leave including pregnancy basically all worker rights in this country republican voters seem to take for granted.

tell them to stop crying about paying the lowest tax % in the world this part about republicans makes me sick they always claim to be the only ones that love America,but when America needs a fair tax % to run, they cry and cry.Tell them being a real American is helping her when its leaders steer it wrong.Tell them America = we the people not we under George w Bush.Also ask them Why they don't want to teach Darwinism in there history/science books but they want to run there country that way.Tell them social Darwinism is wrong,un Christan and un compassionate.

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demconfive Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:09 AM
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24. Its an old "Onion" piece.
They simply substituted "John Kerry" for "George Bush". So not only is it non-original, its lame ,childish,"I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" bullshit.You'll need the Onion's premium membership to look it up.
www.theonion.com Pitiful.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. I'll hunt down the original
and send it along to her as well as those who sent the above crap to her. She included the whole list with the attachment.

Thanks
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 03:55 AM
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26. RIGHT VOTERS WITH NO SENSE ACT PASSES CONGRESS
RIGHT VOTERS WITH NO SENSE ACT PASSES CONGRESS
May 23, 2005

WASHINGTON, DC (AP) - Congress approved sweeping legislation, which
provides new benefits for many Americans. The Right American Voters with No
Sense Act (RAVWNSA), signed into law by President George Bush shortly after its
passage, is being hailed as a major victory by advocates of the millions
of Americans who lack any real knowledge or even the least common sense in
regard to their tax dollars or their voting.

"Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess a single detail of fact
useful to carve out a meaningful view of a candidate," said Bush, a longtime
RAVWNSA supporter. "This is why many of them voted for me. We can no longer
stand by and allow nonsensical people to be ridiculed and passed over for their
simple lack of any accurate or verifiable data. With this legislation, polls
will no longer dismiss persons who are hoodwinked by drug addict hypocrites
simply because they have little idea of what they are talking about," said Bush.

President Bush pointed to the success of his war in Iraq which has
long-standing support from Americans without a clue. Think of terrorism like
an insidious infection of athletes foot on your right foot. So we start
stabbing the left foot over and over and in the process we dislodge a corn that
has bothered us for years. Who would dare say that we are not better off for
having removed that corn! Since our foot hurts and bleeds we continue stabbing
it assured we will not change course in mid-stream.

President Bush set the example in hiring those with no sense, unaffected by
others who research facts and uneffected by reality in general.

Under the Right American Voters with No Sense Act, more than 25 million votes
will be placed in trustworthy honest upright truthful unquestionable undoubtable
machines with important-sounding statistics having little real relevance, thus
providing an illusory sense of integrity. Mandatory non-investigative based
testing will be executed, to guarantee that only a controlled few can review
the internal counting mechanisms. And, the media will have no advance polls to
verify the votes.

Right voters with no sense will enjoy a media bonanza where if Jesus Christ ran
against the Devil, the Devil would be extolled for his focus, strength, and
leadership, and Jesus Christ would be donned as the one who fed people dinner
having no vegetables on the menu. To be sure, it would not make sense to let
the long haired concerned-about-poor-folk hippie win.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #26
40. kick
:thumbsup:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:09 AM
Response to Original message
27. How about a dose of REALITY?
Edited on Tue Sep-28-04 06:10 AM by in_cog_ni_to
Joe Republican

A Day In The Life of Joe Republican
Thanks to Karin for sending this our way

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too because his employer needs to offer competitive benefits to hire the best people.

Joe prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

Joe drives to work in one of the safest cars in the world because some liberal fought to raise safety standards and emission controls.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with good pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some Liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC up to $100,000 because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from greedy, unscrupulous bankers like the ones who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe needs to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican's might still be sitting in the dark!)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day)

Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".


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BUSH'S RESUME

George W. Bush Resume

Past work experience:


Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas. Accomplishments:


Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.
Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments as president:


Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by anypresident in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References:



At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:58 AM
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41. Whoa
Edited on Tue Sep-28-04 11:26 AM by Qst4Q
Seeing chim's list of "accomplishments" laid out like that has... well... I don't even know what to say. I knew most of it already, but picking up the info ad hoc doesn't pack the same wallup as seeing it all in a row.

I'm going to print this out and keep it handy for reference and to remind me how important Nov.2 will be.

Cheers
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:18 AM
Response to Original message
28. "Please don't send me any more of this. Thank you."
The less said, the better.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. If he keeps doing it...
Turn him in to his ISP for spamming you.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:21 AM
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33. My mother and I barely speak anymore
not entirely because of politics, but that's a big part of it. My mom only watches "her" Fox News and believes Bill O'Reilly is looking out for her and insists that George W. Bush is a good person, such that I find myself wondering what if it came down to me or him. She's also Mormon. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with her, and lately it seems impossible to have a mindless one without arguing or getting so annoyed that I can barely muster the series of uh-huhs that it takes to get through the conversation.

I hear ya about the profound sadness and not recognizing them and failing to see how you're related. Only in my case I do recognize them and it was more like a stunning realization that my neither of my parents was very smart or a very good parent. I sort of always knew that about my dad, but with my mom it's a new thing since he died.

My having shared my feelings about him, which I did in hopes of at last being able to have an honest conversation and basing our relationship on the things we have in common instead of all these stupid rules governing what's good and bad, is a big part of the problem. Boy, was that ever a mistake.

I can see now that my mother has never questioned anything she was taught and will never meet me on any kind of respectful, adult ground. My profound sadness comes as much from that as from running up against the giant wall of irrational, nonsensical beliefs.

Try as I might to respect them, I just can't. I don't waste time with acquaintances whose beliefs are diametrically opposed to mine, who tell me everything I believe is bad and wrong without even thinking about it - can't even say as I've ever met anyone else like that - so I'm really struggling with having to do it with my mom.

Anyway, I feel your pain.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #33
38. A kindred spirit.
I have had the same realizations regarding intelligence and parenting... especially since I now have a one yr. old. What passed for parenting in my house growing up would be considered abuse today and the thought of subjecting my little girl to the same makes me naseaus.

Thanks for sharing this with me.

Good Luck
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RollergirlVT Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:57 AM
Response to Original message
34. send them a copy
of OUTFOXED. You can pick it up at overstock.com for only $10
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. That and Chain of Command (Sy Hersh's new book)
Already sending the latter... I'll add your suggestion as well.

Thanks
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #37
47. Yeah; also, send Richard Clarke's book...Against All Enemies...

It's a pretty good dissection of the woeful lack of attention paid to the threat of terrorism by the current administration before 9/11...careful, though - with all these sources, you may shake your Mom's intellectual foundation enough to cause independent thought.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:18 AM
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35. Love them and keep a sense of humor about it all
They're your family, after all.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. I try...
Oh how I try...
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wickywom Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:35 AM
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39. I think your reply was great!
My policy with my in-laws is this...

"I don't send you my propaganda out of respect to your beliefs..
don't send me yours...
and if you do, I will respond, and continue to respond until either you stop or your email joins my Junk list."

Sorry, even family members don't have the right to force their beliefs on you.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:26 AM
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43. I would just say you all need to agree to disagree and never talk politics
That's how we maintain peace in my own family.

-----------------------------------------------
And God told His children: "I love you. Play nice."

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. If only that would work
The problem I have with that is I can't seperate they're beliefs from who they are because they are one and the same thing... I can't compartmentalize like that. To do so makes me feel hypocritical... like every interaction we have is based in denial of who the other person is.

This is convoluted... sorry. I can't seem to articulate what I mean.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:54 AM
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49. You can always cut them off, you know?
Me, I can't do that since my hubby is essentially a repub.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. I have seriously contemplated that
My wife has kept me from doing it... though after the last visit from my family she was ready to spit blood... so cutting off may be imminent.
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Randers Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. I'm the loan liberal in my family
(siblings/ parents) and if they all ganged up on me about politics - I would just leave.

One time my husband and I had to defend ourselves against a bunch of Limbaugh crap - which wasn't difficult - but I would have no interest in doing that every time I saw them. I just wouldn't go if that was the case.

I suggest giving them a choice. They either lay off of politics or else forget it.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 11:41 AM
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46. What I love about Repukes (their cruelty)
In addition to being a not-so-funny slam at the plight of the unemployed, this is also a slam at the Americans with Disabilities Act and those covered by it.

The Repukes excel when it comes to making fun of those with less money and power than they have. Reagan started the trend, I believe.

what gets me is how they can also turn around and pat themselves on the back as 'good Christians'. Jesus wouldn't have anything to do with the lot of 'em.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 12:09 PM
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52. Amen...
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 12:08 PM
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50. EASY. Tell them they are plagiarists.
This article was on the Onion a few years ago. Some of the Kerry parts, and Kerry's name itself, are the only alterations.

You should reply back to them with lots of boilerplate copied out of US and International copyright laws, making them think that for even FORWARDING this email the black helicopter intellectual property police are going to come crashing through their door, tek-9s and cs bombs a-crackle.

It won't make them change their vote, but you can feel good making them crap themselves in their office chairs.
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stlchic Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 12:46 PM
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53. Give a copy to your postman with your family member's address.
Edited on Tue Sep-28-04 12:47 PM by stlchic
(or just their email address) and then hope for some open communication.
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