CBS memos won't die, Bill Burkett just made it worse, statement issued:

[Hilary08]

EDIT For those of you supporting the coverage of the CBS memos, keep in mind: THE WH IS PUSHING TO KEEP THIS ISSUE AT THE FOREFRONT. Why do you think they're doing so? Because it helps them! If you want to AID in their bid to the WH, by all means, go ahead and keep talking about it! But if you want to send George Bush back to Crawfish Texas, then FOCUS ON WHAT HE'S DOING WRONG (which is everything, the economy, Iraq, education, healthcare, social security... everything!).


From Bill Burkett's lawyer David VanOs:

"Based upon my personal knowledge of Bill Burkett's character from knowing him and knowing of his reputation among his peers, I will state unequivocally that Bill Burkett did not falsify or create the "CBS documents." I do not assume that anyone falsified or created those documents until more is known, but if anyone did, it was not Bill Burkett."


This topic needs to just DIE. The longer the media hounds this issue, the less focus on Shrub and Kerry....given that EVERY SINGLE ISSUE in the news except this, can only show Shrub's negatives (tanking economy, more dying in Iraq, another American just beheaded, etceteras), yet with Bill Burkett running around, the American public is only shown that "them there uh, durn pesky Democratic girlie men" are "desperate" and out to get Shrub.

UNBELIEVABLE... everything is going against Shrub, and the ONE issue that takes focus away from that is at the forefront AND he gains in swing states?! Where is the DNC to just SHUT BILL BURKETT UP.......the WH is already laying the groundwork accusing the Kerry camp having a hand in the forgeries.......no way can this election seriously be decided by typefonts.

Let's tell Burkett/CBS to just STOP, and to focus on THE TERRIBLE ECONOMY, the 45 million without health insurance, the homocidal circus in Iraq... you know, issues that MATTER.

[Sparkle]

1. link please....

[newsguyatl]

2. hillary is with two L's

[Maddy McCall]

63. Plus, the 08 after "hilary" shows an assumption that Kerry will lose in 04

"hilary12" I might understand, but "hilary08" demonstrates and assumption that Kerry will lose in 04, so Hillary will be free to run in 08. :grr:

[Sparkle]

Btw, it's Hillary and not Hilary. Some supporter you are.

[Hilary08]

23. 2 other SNs I tried were taken. I suppose...

...it's more supportive to have an indecipherable screen name like gsc2749? What is that, some CODE?

[AlCzervik]

25. Do you have a link for this?

[TheDebbieDee]

45. A screen name like gsc2749? What is that, some CODE?

You've got a great sense of humor! Welcome to DU!:hi:

[Sparkle]

57. Yes it is a code.

Care to crack it?

[Qutzupalotl]

3. Bush's character matters.

And I think the memos were typed (poorly) by Killian himself:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=841272

Notice how the White House doesn't say they're fake? They only claim no recollection of ever having seen them. That's CYA-speak.

[Nederland]

14. Naturally

Notice how the White House doesn't say they're fake?

Of course the White House didn't say they were fake. What would you expect, for them to point out a monster screw-up that would over shadow the rest of the story demonstrating that Bush was AWOL and had help from daddy? Please, the WH saw CBS putting its head into the noose, calmly stood back and watched, and cheered.

[bobbyboucher]

18. Seems like you got it all figured out, and are going to great lengths

to convince of of your conclusion. Good effort.

[Hilary08]

21. What are you talking about? Of COURSE the WH had a hand in this.

They will never admit it, no, but this all plays a liiittle too perfectly into their scheme of things, don't you think?

[Qutzupalotl]

32. No, they got MacDougald to imply they were fake.

But his proof fell apart. Unfortunately, everybody thinks that only Microsoft Word can do a superscript, so the rumor took off. But it's just a rumor. No evidence of forgery.

[DemBones DemBones]

4. Sorry it's making you nervous. It's making

Karl Rove a bit nervous, too -- it just might backfire on him and his guy, Dubya, this time.

[notadmblnd]

64. so do you think bill burkett and dick cheny kissed and made up?

I had no idea they were once friends. Bill says it himself in an old article

snip: The only benefits that we have received have come at the end of a court order; and they have been under constant challenge. Needless to say, we know the White House counsel personally. We know Dan Bartlett, Karen Hughes, Joe Allbaugh, Don Evans, and many others very personally. Dick Cheney used to be a close friend. No longer.

http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=william+%22Bill%22+Burkett&ei=UTF-8&b=21&u=www.veteransforpeace.org/what_do_you_say_032203.htm&w=william+bill+burkett&d=E714255014&icp=1&.intl=us

[hlthe2b]

5. Ummmhmmmm.........

:eyes:

Hillary has two "l's" by the way....

[DemBones DemBones]

11. Looks like we all noticed that! Wonder why

the poster didn't?

[hlthe2b]

13. yeah, I wonder........................

[liberalnurse]

17. It there a flight leaving for a small town in Arizona?????

I think they have a new passenger for Flight # 666.....to Tombstone.

[bobbyboucher]

16. He forgot the "t", he meant to type

"Hitlery08".

wonder why he wants it to die so bad? I think it is getting interesting.

[fishnfla]

22. Wont Kerry be up for re-election in 08?

whats up with that?

[Name removed]

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[AlCzervik]

31. half assed? Please.

Enjoy your time here.

[fishnfla]

43. Gosh! Really? I heard the RNC dream team was Rudy and Hillary!

heck i'd vote for that, 'cuz I'm gullible

Know what I mean?

[AlCzervik]

47. Oh yeah, Rudy, hillary and Mitt Romney!

[UdoKier]

60. "Even if WE lose in a landslide..."

How cute to use "we".

a. The democrats will not lose, and certainly not by a landslide, so who is "we"?

b. Kerry's run a lackluster campaign thus far, but it's hardly been "bungled". This latest nonsense has nothing to do with Kerry.

And what, pray tell was Bill's advice to Kerry? Isn't it all just part of Bill & Hillary's plan to make Kerry lose so Hillary can run in '08? I believe that's what rush says, right Hilary08?

[Jim Sagle]

28. Say, that's short for HitleryAndBubbaJeffKlintoon08, isn't it?

;-)

[Hilary08]

35. Whatever. But Kerry's refusal to listen to THE CLINTONS is why he's losing

DIdn't Bill say to drop the Vietnam thing already????

Yes!


Does Kerry heed Bill's advice???

No!


Is Kerry now behind in the polls, and even losing previously safe states?

Yes!


Does Bill Clinton know more about presidential politics than Kerry EVER will????

Yes!

[kaitykaity]

51. Kerry's NOT LOSING.

Look at the polls in the battlegrounds -- NC, SC, NH, OH.
Kerry's numbers are going up.

So get over it already. You can't demoralize us with
this fake CLINTON worship.

[Hilary08]

29. Are you trying to slam one of the best, most brilliant women of our time?

Hitler by NO measure can EVER be equivocated with any of the Clintons, and if you think so well then their party (the WINNING party) is not the party for you!!!!!!!!!!

[bobbyboucher]

41. Easy pal, you're going to hurt yourself.

You might want to double-check the use of "equivocated", I'm not sure how you mean that. Well, actually, I don't know what the fuck you are tallking about, but it sure is cute, you trying to sneak your shit in here.

[Name removed]

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[kaitykaity]

56. Kerry WON'T LOSE. QUIT FUCKING SAYING THAT.

We're not fooled by you. You know that, don't you?

[UdoKier]

66. Stop ragging on the nominee.

If Hillary gets on the ticket IN 2012, I'm sure we'll all support her, but if you're just going to sit around here and trashtalk Kerry with nothing constructive to say, you're just gonna piss a lot of people off. A LOT of us had other favorites in the primaries, but we're democrats and we stand behhhind the nominee, who by the way has a hell of a resume, whether helping to end the pointless Vietnam war, helping to find POWs & MIAs after the war, as a district attorney in Boston, investigating the Iran/Contra treason, etc. What the hell has Hillary done in 2 years as a senator that you're (pretending to be) so jazzed about?

[TexasSissy]

69. Notice this poster refers to "your boy Kerry." Interesting.

And only 23 posts to this poster's name. Joined today? Ever post to freerepublic.com per chance?

[kimchi]

70. No, the polls are showing propaganda.

You know that, right? If not, we can sure as hell show you the evidence.

[Jackpine Radical]

40. I thought he/she/it meant to type "Hilarity."

Pretty funny post, ya gotta admit.

[bobbyboucher]

42. It keeps adding to the hilarity.

Whatever it is.

[papau]

6. I'm enjoying this and see real late October potential - but I agree we

should let it drop during the next 4 weeks as the debates work their majic!

:toast:

:-)

[Teaser]

7. Not late breaking news...

needs to be moved.

[Pirate Smile]

8. Rather's interview with Burkett will be on the CBS Evening News tonight

and Rather is on Larry King Live tomorrow so it isn't dying yet.

[RoundRockD]

9. Is that the same David Van Os who is running for the ...

Supreme Court in Texas?

I also wish this story would end already.

[truthisfreedom]

10. it's okay, just concentrate on what Kerry and Edwards are doing, and let

rove's bushwacking machine waste their energy on this. Kerry voters don't give a rat's ass about whether the papers were forged... they all know that the secretary who would have typed them said they are accurate about gw's failures. and that's what counts. who cares what bush's followers believe. we'll never get them to change their stupid minds about him anyway.

[DBtv]

12. BULLSHIT!!! This is publican dirty tricks and will be exposed.

The RNC operative, Buckhead, forged the documents and will be exposed along with all the reprehensable scum in the publican party. This illustrates the complete lack of moral fiber of the publican movement.

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. This is getting to be like Susan McDougall and so on

Endless nonsense about filegate, travelgate, BS while attention is taken away from pressing matters.

[Bridget Burke]

19. More Republicans telling us to shut up!

I agree that Kerry's plans & Bush's idiocies should be the major focus of the campaign. But many of us can multi-task, so let's get to the bottom of the AWOL story. The more details, the better.

Certain operatives are squealing like stuck pigs--music to my ears!

[Disturbed]

30. GW Bush was and still is a phony!!!

The Bushmoonies scrape and bow to his every word. It matters not that he is a pathological liar.

• "You can't say one thing and do another."-- George W. Bush, 10/31/00

• “If you overspend, it creates a fundamental weakness in the foundation of economic growth. And so I'm working with Congress to make sure they hear the message -- the message of fiscal responsibility.”-- 9/16/02

(Less than 6 months later, Bush proposed a budget that would put the government more than $300 billion into deficit.)

• “Having been here and seeing the care that these troops get is comforting for me and Laura. We are -- should and must provide the best care for anybody who is willing to put their life in harm's way.”-- Walter Reed Army Hospital, 1/17/03
(That same day the Bush Administration cut off access to its health care system from approximately 164,000 veterans.)

• “We're dealing with first-time responders to make sure they've got what's needed to be able to respond.“--

3/27/02 (Bush said he was proposing $3.5 billion in “new” money for first responders, but he actually tried to rob more than $1 billion from existing grants to local police/fire departments to fund his proposal. In August 2002, Bush rejected another $150 million for grants to state and local first responders.)

• “We're working hard to make sure your job is easier, that the port is safer. The Customs Service is working with overseas ports and shippers to improve its knowledge of container shipments, assessing risk so that we have a better feel of who we ought to look at, what we ought to worry about.”--

6/24/02 (Bush’s 2003 and 2004 budgets provide nothing for port security grants. In August, he vetoed all $39 million for the Container Security Initiative that he specifically touted.)

• “A secure and efficient border is key to our economic security.”--

9/9/02 (Bush promised more INS/Border Patrol staff and facilities, but provided no funding. He vetoed $6.25 million for promised pay upgrades for Border Patrol agents, and his 2004 Budget slashes “Border and Transportation Security” by $284 million.)

• “We've got to do more to protect worker pensions.”--

8/7/02 (The Bush Administration proposed new rules so employers could resume converting traditional pension plans to new ‘cash balance’ plans that can lower benefits of long-serving workers.) “Companies favor these plans because they can slash a worker's pension benefit by 20 to 50 percent in one fell swoop.”-- Rep. Bernard Sanders (I-VT.)

• “A reformed and strengthened Medicare system, plus a healthy dosage of Medicare spending in the budget, will make us say firmly, we fulfilled our promise to the seniors of America.”--

1/29/03 (Bush’s 2004 budget proposes 85% less than what would be needed to meet his goal, and would leave 67% of the total $400 billion pledge to be spent after 2008.)

• “I want to thank the Boys & Girls Clubs across the country…The Boys & Girls Club have got a grand history of helping children understand the future is bright for them, as well as any other child in America.”--

1/30/03 (Bush’s 2002 budget proposed eliminating all federal funding for the Boys and Girls Club of America.)

• “Clear Skies legislation, when passed by Congress, will significantly reduce smog and mercury emissions, as well as stop acid rain. It will put more money directly into programs to reduce pollution, so as to meet firm national air-quality goals. ...”-- Earth Day speech,

4/22/02 (Actually, the Clear Skies law delays required pollution emission cuts by as much as 10 years, weakens the states' power to address interstate pollution problems, and allows outdated industrial facilities to avoid costly pollution-control upgrades.)

So while the big lies about the war are exposed to the light, the Bush team is quietly working in the shadows-chipping away at programs for veterans, the young, the old, and the poor-funneling every possible dollar into their giant war machine so it will eventually end up in the pockets of friends and family. That is compassionate conservatism at its best.

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=600

[Hilary08]

38. GREAT POST!!!!! The only flip flopper is the FLOP in the WH right now! nt

[UdoKier]

72. And yet you'd happily endure another 4 years of him to have Hillary in 08!

Or is there another reason?

[AmyStrange]

20. !!!! WELCOME TO THE DU !!!!

and please check out our official "unofficial" DU slang dictionary which have been overwhelmingly voted as forgeries by the top echelon of RW nutjobs in the know:

http:://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/

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[kaitykaity]

62. Gee, I wish. I've sent two alerts, they're probably

getting tons.

:puke:

[newsguyatl]

27. reverse reverse psychology being used here du'ers

think about it.

let's put it this way: i actually agree with what the poster's said. we DO need to let it die.

just think about it.

[UdoKier]

36. Whatever. "hilary08"? C'mon.

Pretty damn obvious. Besides, "shub" is a favorite nickname of the poseurs - it's the only one they've heard. Newsmax hasn't told them about Bunnypants or Smirky McCokespoon or Chimpy McWarhardon.

And if he/she wants the issue to die, why is he/she blathering about it?

[mac56]

37. Methinks he/she doth protest too much.

nm

[KoKo]

55. Absolutely.....the troll under the bridge analogy. Hilary08...the RW FEAR

Amazing...still at it...

[newsguyatl]

65. u ever thought about the possibility

said person was TRYING to be obvious?

it's called reverse psychology. and in this case, it's reverse reverse.

again, think about it.

[UdoKier]

67. The poster is aping Limboid talking points

Talking about the Kerry campaign as though it's over and crowing about Hillary in 08. It's a favorite RW obsession.

reverse psychology or reverse psychology squared, I don't appreciate being played.

WE are not the ones keeping the stupid CBS screwup on the headlines. The cable news and CBS itself are doing that. So why the hell admonish US about it?

[Judi Lynn]

68. Truly. Odd as hell.

[BootinUp]

33. I'm afraid you're absolutely right

But I don't know how to stop it. Maybe the dems need to jump in and discredit Burkett, unless he can prove his case. :shrug:

[Judi Lynn]

48. Why not wait until you understand the situation before going off

half-cocked? Democrats aren't spastic, emotionally overwrought screw-ups, like freeps.

It would be a lot better to let the matter unfold, and settle, and learn along with everyone else what the hey has happened. Where's the fire?

You can't stampede Democrats, or didn't you know that?

[BootinUp]

53. CBS has been workin on this story for 5 years

per Dan Rather. It ain't gonna be solved in 6 weeks. If the story cannot be proved then it will not sway many voters. If the dems are implicated by association or bad reporting, then it could hurt us. simple as that.

[Judi Lynn]

58. If the story has been in the works this long it's so unlikely

that at this juncture, Democrats are suddenly involved.

Many of us read all about Bill Burkett waaaay back in 2000 during that Presidential Campaign, when we actually imagined the winner would go to the White House.

There's nothing here that should affect Democrats or John Kerry.

[BootinUp]

61. "media spin" n/t

[pangowango]

34. Memo's

Maybe this really is just a case of the liberal media bias?

[3 Tree Hill]

39. NEWSFLASH!!! We don't want it to die!

No way these docs came from Kerry camp.

No way Rather was "snookered" by some dude from Texas.

No way anyone is behind CBS getting these other than Rove.

It's a classic set-up job.

We need to SHOUT THIS FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS. Call every radio station, write every newspaper.

[mccormack98]

50. No way you deserve to be tombstoned!

[Judi Lynn]

44. Generally people use "bolding" to emphasize important info.

Just a thought. You usually see it used in connection with direct quotes from actual sources.

Can be irritating if used frivolously.

[Wednesdays]

46. Yes, this story needs to DIE...

so let's make a thousand more threads about how it needs to die! :silly:

[bobbyboucher]

49. I like the story,

and I think Bush hates it cause it involves his being a flake, which he is.

[mccormack98]

54. I think it helps us

I love this story! Bush's numbers are falling! Each day of news is a reminder that Shrub was AWOL. It's a story that puts Arbusto on the defensive. Probably makes the Bush admin think "Maybe we don't want to do the Swiftboat thing any more..."

[Mr_Spock]

59. Thanks. "Hide Thread"

I just made it go away.

[coreystone]

71. Hilary08 - THE LINK NOW!!!!!!!

Hilary08 - THE LINK NOW!!!!!!!
"From Bill Burkett's lawyer David VanOs:

"Based upon my personal knowledge of Bill Burkett's character from knowing him and knowing of his reputation among his peers, I will state unequivocally that Bill Burkett did not falsify or create the "CBS documents." I do not assume that anyone falsified or created those documents until more is known, but if anyone did, it was not Bill Burkett."
Hilary08 - THE LINK NOW!!!!!!!
Hilary08 - THE LINK NOW!!!!!!!
Hilary08 - THE LINK NOW!!!!!!!
Hilary08 - THE LINK NOW!!!!!!!
:nopity:
Don't waste everyone's time!!!
Hilary08 - THE LINK NOW!!!!!!!

:grr: