Look what the freepers made to counter TANG docs

[SoCalDemocrat]

Nasty business. I don't know if it's accurate or if how they are applying the overlay is legitimate or not.

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf

What someone needs to do is take the typewriter in question and reproduce the memo from the typewriter.

[buff2]

1. No Thanks....

I have no interest in what those idiots are whining about.

[Catfight]

5. Ditto, why waste my beautiful mind on such idiotic drivel from freeperville

By the way, Free Republic, isn't that the same tabloid shop that Steven Glass was busted for making up stories? Their credibility was ruined years ago, why are they even mentioned today? It's the same as sourcing the National Inquirer..."freeper minds want to know." Okay, I've wasted enough time already on this post for lurkers who cite dumbass sources.

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[emulatorloo]

3. Freep Flash Jockey still claims typewriters can't make "th" or have fancy

Fonts. Sadly that makes him a fool or a liar, given that we know different.

[acmavm]

4. Not looking either. But there is a big difference in our candidate and

theirs. The entire world knows where ours was and what he was doing. Their guy as AWOL and so far no definitive proof of his activities, but everyone knows that they were probably prosecutable.

[StClone]

6. Stupid Freepers

This is modus operandi. Facts come forth and they throw up dust to obscure what is easily proven or disproven.

Original documents when examined will have strike marks and pen indentions that can be tested and aged. Can Freepers reproduce that? Throwing red herrings and casting shadows is their realm not reality.

[Robin Hood]

7. This bullshit has already been disproven.

The most recent 60 minutes had taken on this distraction crap. Someone has a link to the video. It's really pathetic how they are trying to cover up for this cowardly murderer.

[Toucano]

8. No one needs to do anything.

They're making claims that have already been extensively dealt with.

There's nothing new here.

[I_like_chicken]

9. i watched it

and its stupid and pointless, i think we've already disproved everything that the flash claims to be as evidence.

[SoCalDemocrat]

10. MSWord does a good job

I think what they prove with their little aminated show is that Microsoft did a good job in writing their software to replicate the capabilities of typewriters.

Why can't we get someone to just retype the memo on the typewriter in question and film it then superimpose them.

That would shut the door on this issue.

[Renew Deal]

11. That's crap.

[gollygee]

12. In order to believe that's what happened, you'd have to believe (m)

that the forger superscripted th in some places but not others. And superscripted th in some places but didn't superscript st in 1st. That's easy to do on a typewriter but a pain in the ass with a word processor.

Nope, if this was forged it was forged on a typewriter.

Word processors were made to make documents that as closely as possible imitated the appearance of typed documents. It isn't suprising that it looks a lot like a document from a word processor.

[bobbyboucher]

13. Water is heavy, take a break.

It's not your job, is it?

[Longhorn]

14. Liars! They changed the "st"

in "1st Lt." to a superscript and that's not the way it was on the original document. They're analyzing an MS Word document, not the copy of the original.

And notice how quickly they show the two side by side and when they "merge" them? I suppose they believe Samantha really wriggled her nose and made objects appear and disappear, too!

Idiots!

[Catherine Vincent]

15. LOL! The freepers are so pathetic!

[Fridays Child]

16. If you zoom in, you can see that they do not match.

To conceal the mismatches, the author of this little fraud fades out the Microsoft image, as the two are being overlaid. Then, he/she fades the original and brings the Microsoft image into focus. If you zoom in close to watch that process, you can clearly see that the two documents are not alike.

[salvorhardin]

23. Oh fer cryin' out loud

No, they don't match.

First they were trying to claim that the font was MS Times New Roman. Now they're trying to claim it is Palatino Linotype. Once again, they do not match! Here again, we have a font, that although not quite as old as Times Roman goes all the way back to 1950 and is one of the most widely used and copied typefaces (http://www.linotype.com/57056/palatinolinotype-family.html).

If anyone is interested I'll do a similar side by side comparison like I did with the Times New Roman claim.

You're also right about the trickery involved. Superimposition is a horrible method of comparing two typefaces anyway, especially when you're looking at 12 point type on a computer screen. There is simply too much visual noise for the human eye to discern the differences. Instead of the differences standing out, the similarities are the most noticed features instead.

I swear, these people must be paid. If not, they're frickin' idiots.

[Fridays Child]

29. Yes, please do the side-by-side comparison. These people are...

...downright amoral.

I emailed Sandra Ramsey Lines and confronted her about her so-called "independent" expert status, as it has been trumpeted to the media. As a contributing member of the repub 527, The Wish list, she's a repub operative, through and through. We'll see if I get a response.

[salvorhardin]

30. I'll do a comparison tomorrow

Too late tonight. :-)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

17. Give me enough time, and I can proove that W & Laura's wedding cert.

originally stated that George married Oscar Wilde.

[olddem43]

18. I'm sure that CBS has carefully investigated every aspect of this.

The very idea that some nerd that knows how to use Microsoft Word could "prove" anything is a fake is ludicrous. Sort of reminds me of children's questioning things. No more time should be wasted on the subject of authenticity. Let Bushco answer the questions that Dan Rather asked.

[DenaliDemocrat]

20. Try this Link

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1644869,00.asp


I think its been on here before, but it is worth posting again.

[mr_du04]

21. the fact is

it is hard as hell to tell from a copy of who knows how many other copies if a doc is legit or not. I personally believe that the docs will be proven accurate all in due time. The good news is at least we are getting the issue talked about.

[madrchsod]

22. so? that proves nothing at all

interesting how they decided what was marked out

[Spazito]

24. LOL

To quote Al Gore, they are "Digital Brownshirts", let them waste their time, less time to be out harassing others.

[RetroLounge]

25. Asked and Answered.

Fuck the Freepers...

RL

[Protected]

26. They didn't even bother to find a font that matches up!

Because Palatino Linotype clearly doesn't. There are so many other problems with this presentation that have already been disproven.

[SalParadise]

27. feh - they need to give up on the word angle.

This is from a Time article about the bush going awol -

Bill Glennon, a technology consultant in New York City who worked for IBM repairing typewriters from 1973 to 1985, says those experts "are full of crap. They just don't know." Glennon says there were IBM machines capable of producing the spacing, and a customized key — the likes of which he says were not unusual — could have created the superscript th.

Of course, none of this matters - once the freepi have the slightest thread to cling to, they never let go - the right wing noise machine is revved up to continue with the doubt casting (no matter that most of it is discredited) & the Heathers (the media) is more than willing to spew their talking points endlessly.

It's pretty safe to say these weren't forged using MS Word.

[TahitiNut]

28. Nothing but a parlor trick.

What they present as a Word "document" is a screen image, not a hardcopy document. The resolution of the PDF file (CBS's) at about 150-200 dpi and the resolution of the screen image at about 70-100 dpi provides all the smoke and mirrors any amateur disinformation cretin needs.

The totally ludicrous claim that proportionally-spaced fonts weren't available on typewriters exposes this for the FRAUD that it is. As has been shown extensively (and original commendation letters I have from Vietnam), proportionally-spaced fonts on typewriters was available and COMMON in the military for years before Killian's memos.