Iraq and the bible..........rec'd this e-mail this morning.....

[MsUSA]

(I hope this isn't to long to post)



> > > >IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING - DID YOU KNOW?

> > > >1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

> > > >2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

> > > >3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

> > > >4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

> > > >5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

> > > >6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq.

> > > >7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

> > > >8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

> > > >9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

> > > >10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

> > > >11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

> > > >12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

> > > >13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!)

> > > >14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

> > > >15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

> > > >16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

> > > >17. The wise men were from Iraq.

> > > >18. Peter preached in Iraq.

> > > >19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called
Babylon,which was a city in Iraq!

> > > >And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

> > > >Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

> > > >No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy
> associated it than Iraq.

> > > >And also... This is something to think about! Since America is
> typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages..


> > > >The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

> > > >Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

> > > >(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen !

[Richardo]

1. I got this through my pastoral council...

...my response was to say how interesting the first part was (I have no idea if it's true) -

But I did point out that the Koran verse is a complete invention - verse 9:11 reads as follows (depending on the translation)

"But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know. "

With a Koran search engine I was not able to find a reference to an eagle ANYWHERE in the Koran.

And then I let them know that I thought it inappropriate to be sending politically-themed e-mails to council member and to please take me off their lists for any future mailings of this nature. I think I embarassed our pastor because he did not know or research the Koran citation.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran.asp

[nickinSTL]

2. I've seen the 9:11 thing before

and I'm pretty sure it's false.

Have you checked Snopes?

[seemslikeadream]

3. You might be interested in this

World War Three: The Players: Part two
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=4046

[Mr. Blonde]

4. The verse from the Koran doesn't even make any sense

Why would the Koran have a verse in it about the destruction of the religion it is about? And the people would be happy about it no less. Nice rhetoric though if facts don't get in your way.

[LuminousX]

5. My cousin sent me this, this was my reply

Clever, but inaccurate. For the most part, the citations of Iraq in the Bible are correct, except most notably Assyria which is in fact, Syria.

The Koranic citation is also incorrect. That verse does not appear in the Koran anywhere and depending on which of the many different translations of the Koran you use, the actual Chapter 9, verse 11 citation is:

But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

It should be noted that a) Hussein wasn't Muslim and in fact had one of the few secular governments in the Middle East making him an unlikely ally to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists and b) Hussein didn't have anything to do with 9/11 and in fact, the person who did is still at large.

The most critical lesson we could possibly learn from this email with all of its citations of Iraq in the Bible is Iraq is a land that may hold significant archeological records to JudeoChristian history. And just like the fact that the U.S. army base that was built on the ancient site of Babylon and subsequently significantly destroyed many artifacts (http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1973682)

We are approaching a thousand American soldiers dead in Iraq, an unfinished war in Afghanistan and now threatening Iran. Bush sure has done a great job in protecting our country. How many wars will he start but not finish?

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. Just on the Assyria/Syria thing

The email is correct in placing Assyria in modern-day Iraq - it was centred on Nineveh, which is near Mosul. At times, the Assyrian empire did expand into modern day Syria - but so did the Hittite (modern day Turkey) and Egyptian empires.

[eissa]

14. Assyria is not Syria

Sorry LuminousX, but Assyria is correctly identified in that e-mail. Being Assyrian myself, I take some pride in our short but glorious history. Syria actually got its name from its inhabitants who spoke the language of the time "sureth" which was the English of the day and a dialect of what modern day Assyrians speak (a dialect of Aramaic).

As for the Koran verse, my Egyptian boss showed me the verse from his Koran and, as it has been pointed out, it is incorrect.

[LuminousX]

15. Just goes to prove

don't believe everything you read, even if it is coming from someone debunking an email.

[Jacobin]

16. Excellent response

These email thingys flying around are like flies that I hate taking the time to swat. Just so much drivel. I'm glad you did the work to debunk it so effectively, and I'll bookmark this for use as occasion may require.

[shaolinmonkey]

6. Bunko. Here's what the Koran 9:11 says

"9.11: But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know."

from the Univ. of Va library.

Whoa, such a creepy reference to September 11th. Idiots.

[arbusto_baboso]

8. But Armageddon (Megiddo) is in Syria.....

So, all the rapture-fundies supporting Bush will have to push for an invasion of Syria if they want to hasten the Second Coming of Jeebus.

BTW, the "Koran" verse is demonstrably false.

[skygazer]

9. My response would be

"So what does Iraq have to do with 9/11?"

[jumpstart33]

10. Yes, I knew all that plus this:

1. Just before we decided to attack Iraq, Saddam had decided to change the currency used for oil transactions from dollars to EU currency.

2. Saddam just didn't decide one day to invade Kuwait. He did so after many pleas to the international community and complaints to the UN about Kuwait "slant drilling" into Iraq's oil fields. In other words, instead of drilling straight down under Kuwaiti land, they were drilling slanted into Iraqi territory.

3. Kuwait at one time was a part of Iraq territory. You can thank the Brits for doing to Iraq what the allies did to Palestine.

4. Most of Saddam's weapons and Iraq's expertise in bioterrorism and WMDs came from the US during the Reagan administration.

5. Berfore Desert Storm, Iraq had the highest literacy rate in the ME, even far exceeding that of Israel and Egypt. Women had many rights and played important roles in Iraqi government (or regime, whichever you prefer).

6. There were no al-qaida in Iraq before the US invaded and Iraq was not a threat to either the US or Israel. Iraq launched scuds at Israel during Desert Storm as a "pre-emptive" move against the foremost ally of the nation attacking Iraq.

7. Ever since Desert Storm, Saddam could not even fly a plane over 3/4 of his own country so he was far from being a "gathering threat" to the US or anyone else.

[Gin]

13. I don't read or study the bible...but I hope all the fundies get raptured

and soon....the planet needs fewer people.

[Individualist]

11. Debunked on Snopes

I got the same email and sent back a reply that "this self-righteous garbage" is debunked on Snopes.

[Vickers]

12. My reply: Yeah, too bad Georgie is destroying all that history for a lie

and for his Big Oil buddies.