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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:29 AM
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Bush's idiotic Flypaper Theory
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 02:55 AM by The Night Owl
Can someone explain to me how fighting terrorists in Iraq prevents terrorist attacks in the US?

If terrorists are willingly flocking to Iraq, then obviously they are not feeling like they are in a bind regarding manpower and resources.

Look at what just 19 terrorists did on 9/11/2001. Does the Bush administration honestly believe that global terrorist organizations cannot spare a few guys and some money to plot and conduct attacks in the US?

The Bush administration is gambling on the notion that terrorists will limit their activities to Iraq. That is an extremely risky gamble. Terrorists do not always follow the script, so to speak.

Why doesn't the media ever seriously challenge Bush's Flypaper Theory? It is almost as though the media accepts it without question.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:38 AM
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1. The media are themselves cowered and frightened this man will
remain in office...so they play safe by keeping silent...
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:47 AM
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2. It's mindboggling and irresponsible isn't it!?
Your point is well taken. Afterall, a goodly portion of our "defense" is OUT OF COUNTRY. We are wide open. Our police and fire and medical rescue services are vastly underfunded and short handed. Not to mention any military related help a country might need in terms of assistance in the face of another terrorist calamity.

We hear story after story regarding the LACK of security around any nuclear facilities, or ports or borders or any other dicy venue you can name... YET, the talking heads and the media NEVER bring it out to the forefront. They act like "back burnering" this issue will make it just go away.

Georgie porgie has stirred up a hornet's nest and

AMERICA IS NOT SAFER....
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:54 AM
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3. It's the new "domino theory". In 20 years, people will talk about
Bush's "Flypaper Theory" as if it were actually serious, and not just a flimsy excuse for a corporate invasion.

They'll put on that same wistful, "oh we were young an naive then" voice, and talk about how it all made so much sense at the time, and really no one could've known it was wrong, and it was the popular concensus, blah blah blah.
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 03:05 AM
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4. This is no "theory"
Its just something to calm your nerves and preempt such questions. Go to sleep. The media already has.
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daydreamer Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 03:06 AM
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5. That's just his way of justifying the Iraq war
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 03:14 AM by brickgate
The war on Iraq is just diversion. Bush admitted that he miscalculated
his catastrophic success, and now we are bogged down there with 1,000 brave young men and women dead,7,000 wounded and $200,000,000,000.00 down the hole and more is need very day. Terrorists are there in Iraq because of convenient targets Bush provided. Terrorists can also come over here with visas and valid passports and plane tickets. Bush's war on Iraq seriously undermined the efforts of war on terrorists by taking the needed resources away from the real war and homeland security. If we cannot afford to check less than 95% of the containers that are entering the U.S. ports every day, why should we try to rebuild Iraq ourselves. Should homeland security be first???
Kerry is on the right side every issue. He just have to tell voters like it is: Bush is endangerring our home land security by misplacing the national priority.

I am fustrated with CNN, MSNBC and not to mention the FOX too.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 03:40 AM
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6. You can't kill terrorists fast enough. You make more every time you kill.
It is not possible to always have "surgical strikes". Far from it. The US military creates so many "collateral" casualties everytime they kill a "terrorist" in Iraq that they create more new ones than they kill. We can see in Chechnya that even brutal crushing of an uprising fails and generates more terrorists and more brutal terrorists.

The moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the Bush regime is that they can't see beyond their fascination with iron fists that ultimately the battle can only be won by winning hearts and minds.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 04:38 PM
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8. Also, the war in Iraq alienates moderate Arabs...
Also, the war in Iraq alienates moderate Arabs and makes them less inclined to help the US.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:49 AM
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11. Yes. Bush has followed Bin Laden's script to a T.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 04:18 AM
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7. Is anyone who puts up any resistance in Iraq a "terrorist?"
I keep hearing this meme on all the cable "news" outlets, and it bothers me. It blurs the line, and is a de facto endorsement of *'s assertion that Iraq was full of terrorists, had 9/11 links, etc.

The U.S. invaded Iraq, and we are far from welcome there. Isn't it logical that all sorts of factions would want to fight us now that we occupy their lands?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 04:39 PM
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9. The people who say the insurgents are terrorists...
are the same people who say muslims are terrorists.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 04:58 PM
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10. Kinda flies in the face of his "humanitarian mission to free Iraqis"
thingy doesn't it.

The whole escapade is an abject failure and he knows it. He just throws shit out there for people to hang on to as their sons and daughters are maimed and slaughtered and the treasury is raided for the war machine.

Sick
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:58 AM
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12. every dead child, every humiliation creates a dozen terrorists
this war is a recruiting party for terrorists
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