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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 01:04 AM
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I need help with facts on Veteran's entitlements
I am engaged in an ongoing email battle with a 'freeper' friend in the US about the treatment of veterans particularly those returning and injured from Iraq.

He sees it through rose tinted glasses..they go, fight and are well looked after and simple return to have their wounds tended and have life long support.

I doubt it is as it appears..it never is and I am sure Bush has made substantial cuts..

any facts that I can offer him ?

( why do we take on these tasks ?):spank:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 01:10 AM
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1. This is from Kerry's site
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 05:21 AM
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7. thanks madmax ..
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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 01:29 AM
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2. You might find this site informative:
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 05:21 AM
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8. thats is indeed a helpful site mykpart..thank you
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:07 AM
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3. ROTFLMAO!!!
Whooooboy is HE ever WRONG WRONG WRONG! Tell him to go sign up with the military and find out for himself just how our vets are treated. ;)

The Home Affront
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0428/040714_news_homefront.php

Army orders thousands of veterans back to active duty
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/mideast/28079.php

Wounded "Held Captive" at Walter Reed
Disabled Vets Fire Back at Rumsfeld
http://www.counterpunch.org/vest01092004.html

Sick Iraq War Veteran Has to Fight for Medical Treatment
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0812-08.htm

The Unseen Cost of War: American Minds
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0827-05.htm

The Battles for Benefits After the War
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=918&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Soldier Gets Help Cutting Red Tape
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=912&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&POSTNUKESID=1adfb59181ab20383cbba3ec2681717c

Bush drug proposal enrages veterans
Plan may alienate military retirees by imposing higher fees for prescriptions
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/11/ana03304.html

Back Home, Disabled Vets Fight Injuries, Red Tape
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080904E.shtml

Disabled vets miss out on assistance
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/politics/9058818.htm

Broken promises to veterans
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/06/27/broken_promises_to_veterans/

Bush to Veterans: Pay More, Wait Longer, Receive Less Health Care
http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-doc.cfm?doc_name=sr-108-2-56

Sick, wounded U.S. troops wait in squalor
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1017-06.htm

Guard, reservists plead for health care
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/143193_vets09.html

Veterans groups outraged over budget cuts
http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/qtr1_2003/0312-149.html

Questionable Practices: Disturbing Revelations About Quality of Care at Some U.S. Veterans’ Hospitals
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/Living/VA_Hospitals_040408.html

Returning soldiers not getting help, critics say
http://www.gazette.com/display.php?sid=871583

Wartime money not going toward Iraq vets' health care
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040209/NEWS/402090625/1060

Wounded U.S. veterans get a raw deal at home
http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20040208gene0208fnp1.asp

It shouldn't happen to a vet
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1117569,00.html

Government Gives Few Contracts To Disabled Vets
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:9leswxeNwBQJ:www10.brinkster.com/wabanaki/vetcontracts.html+Government+Gives+Few+Contracts+To+Disabled+Vets&hl=en

Bush to veterans: Drop Dead
http://www.freepress.org/columns.php?strFunc=display&strID=788&strYear=2003&strAuthor=7

Rep. Fazio speaks out on the reality of the treatment of veterans
http://www.house.gov/defazio/110503VAStatement.shtml

Health problems, homelessness, awaits returning vets
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/274/region/Health_problems_homelessness_a:.shtml

Bush goes AWOL when soldiers need care
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/auto/epaper/editions/saturday/opinion_f3b65728054100dd00da.html?urac=n&urvf=10641578220060.023361727493018236

A case of race? One POW acclaimed, another ignored

Johnson, who was shot in both ankles, will get only 30 percent of her monthly pay in disability benefits.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001786800_shoshana09.html

DAV Urges Defense Secretary to Get the Facts to War Wounded
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/DAV_urges_012904.htm

VVA Decries Effort to Whitewash Effects of $1.8 Billion Hit to Veterans Health Care
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/VVA_Decries_081503.htm








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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 05:18 AM
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5. LynTheDem thank you for an amazing collection of sites..and
how shameful that so much has to be written about the very people, no matter what our beliefs are, should at least be cared for after they have gone into danger on our behalf.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 02:24 AM
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4. Oh don't forget to remind him...
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 02:31 AM by LynnTheDem
Our troops are currently conscripted. Backdoor draft. My hubby is a veteran...but he's also still active duty and he has NO CHOICE but to remain active duty. He can't quit the army and he can't retire; not until the stop-loss is lifted & the army says he can go.

Until then, he gets NOTHING for being a veteran; only his regular active duty pay.

IF he were wounded badly enough, THEN he would get anywhere from 0% to 100% medical disability, and either allowed the option to quit or be kicked out. Many wounded vets don't want to leave the military, as they can't afford to, but that's not always a choice up to the veteran.

An example; Shoshana Johnson was a POW during the invasion and shot in both her ankles; she was allowed to leave the army, decided to do so, and gets 30% of her army pay as medical disability. A private in the US army makes base pay of apx $1000/month (I don't have the base pay website URL handy for me to look up the actual base amounts, but can do later) so 30% of that to live on? And disabled?

Good luck.

When soldiers retire, they get retirement pay, X amount of what their base pay was when they were active duty. If they're also on medical disability, they DON'T get both; the amount of med dis is deducted from their retirement pay.

U.S. veterans face a greater chance of becoming homeless than the general population, say experts. According to the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, a study released in 1999 found that while veterans count for 9 percent of the entire population, they are nearly 23 percent of the homeless population and 33 percent of the adult male homeless population.

The US Department of Veterans’ Affairs (VA) estimates that 275,000 veterans are homeless on any given night, and over 500,000 veterans are homeless during a year.

http://home.att.net/~vet_updates/homeless.htm


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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 05:20 AM
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6. thanks again Lynn..how damning is it to these freepers that I should
have to provide him with information from the other side of the world about the mistreatment of the military that look after his welfare.

Just remember most Aussies are fond of Yanks, we love Bill Clinton and it looks like we will become pretty fond of President Kerry.
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VLC98 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 07:28 AM
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9. Concurrent receipt
About a week or so ago, there was a bush weasel on a Paula Zahn "Town Hall meeting" saying that concurrent receipt had been passed, implying that veterans now receive their disability pay on top of their retirement pay. He was up against Tad Devine who disputed his claim and asked for verification from vets in the audience (in vain). I looked into it and found that concurrent receipt is actually being phased in over the next TEN years and will only apply to veterans that are 50% disabled or more! If Shoshanna Johnson gets 30% for being shot in both ankles, vets are in trouble. Can you imagine how difficult it will be to get a disability rating of any percentage in the future? In addition, the people on Paula Zahn and viewers at home probably believed the lying liar and are too lazy to look into it, or couldn't give a damn about veterans. Can you tell I'm livid?
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