I'm Sick of the "Jesus Haters."

[IdaBriggs]

I'm not going to call these people "Christians" anymore. The crap that comes spewing out of their mouth would make Him sick. I am not going to let their rottenness define decency. Those who try to follow the teachings of Jesus (summed up basically as "be NICE to each other EVEN when you don't want to be be because its hard and believe in Me") I'll call Christians. The rest are now "Jesus Haters" because there is NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH he would have been proud of them or their actions. :mad:

[Catfight]

1. You got it. And there's NO WAY, I want to spend my eternity with

them, that would be HELL!

[amber dog democrat]

2. Christ did not preach hate

and these juvinile dogmatized bigots to.

No I agree. They are not Christians. If you are around them watch your pocketbook.

[IdaBriggs]

3. They are trying to co-opt His good works...

by taking over the brand. Enough already! Time to call a spade a spade! Jesus-Haters NOT Christians! :mad:

[amber dog democrat]

4. My favorite fantasy

will be that sometime during their lives they are actually hald accountable for the harm they do. As Aldous Huxley observed in his book The Devils of Loudoun,
"God is not mocked". In other words this kind of spiritual hypocracy is spiritually dangerous to the person doing it. After publicly professing to be imbued with the word of God, Allah, what ever.... it'd be a scarey thing to have the entity provide a clear, lucid message.

. In other words watch what you ask for. They may already be in their own hell.

This does mean they are not dangerous and to be avoided.

[Warpy]

6. Whenever somebody starts telling me how religious they are

my eyes glaze over, I make sure I've still got my wallet, and I head for the nearest exit.

I'm not talking about devout people who struggle to put the teachings into practice. They do it quietly, so you only know who they are by the way they act.

I'm talking about the sanctimonious types who underpay their workers, grudgingly give a bare minimun to United Way out of their paychecks, tip poorly, sneer at the homeless, snarl at people who don't fit into their idea of the mainstream, and feel their narrow, nasty, humorless and hateful behavior gives them a lock on heaven because they're so moral. This atheist knows the difference, and calls them CINOs.

[the Kelly Gang]

5. Jesus was a librul !

[Beam Me Up]

11. Librul, hell, he was a COMMUNIST

which is why His True Message of LOVE, FORGIVENESS, and UNSELFISH SACRIFICE had to be subverted by so-called "Christians" to a system of 'belief' .

[The Flaming Red Head]

14. fish and loaves

sounds like a socialist agenda to me.

[rfkrocks]

7. Amen-Preach it!

GOP fat men on their camel facing the eye of a needle-love,compassion, the common welfare should be a Christians' business not hate war and greed-its still the civil war where the GOP in the South would use the Bible to justify slavery-pretty ironic since Abe Lincoln would have none of Shrub "with malice toward none and charity for all"-yeah that was Zell's speech

[greekspeak]

8. Like your post...as an athiest , professional student of Christianity

I wonder how the simple message of the Christian Scriptures has become the judgemental vortex of hate and bile that it has. The sick, twisted things that have been done in the name of the Prince of Peace are some of the most heinous human diginity violations in the history of the world. I am always comforted by people who READ the Christian Scriptures and glean from it a "big tent" message of acceptance and open arms. Good for you, my dear!

[Cheswick2.0]

9. oh goody, another religion thread

Ida, I know you mean well. However I don't think any of us are qualifed to decide who is and who is not a "Christian". I don't see any reason to judge people by lumping them in to a group and then curisng them.
Believe it or not even fundamentalists have a right to freedom of religion and they are not some monolithic group who are all alike. Why not save your hatred for individuals who do wrong when you can identify it and stop promoting hatred of a whole group of people?
This thread is just ugly. If I were you I would seriously think about whether starting a "we hate certain chrisitans" is really a good way to show what a superior person you are.

I know I am probably pissing in the wind here, but you could always ask to have this thread locked.

[IdaBriggs]

12. My point ...

is that they are NOT followers of Christ, hence NOT Christians since they HATE what He stood for. They have co-opted the brand, and are doing evil under cover of the good name of others. I am NOT feeling quiet about it today. I am feeling confrontational. (Big surprise, huh? :)) Reading what the freepers had to say about Clinton, then the personal vitriol of someone else, combined with having a moderator have to delete what I can only assume was a negative post about "Gay Marriage" has really finally Pissed Me Off. I'm going to call a Spade a Spade -- people who promote this crap are NOT Christians -- they are Jesus-Haters. The term "Christian" should NOT be synonymous with "Right Wing, Hate Mongering, Control Freaking Fascist!" :mad:

[Cheswick2.0]

19. who are "they"

what church to "they" go to? How do you identify them?
Come on Ida, you don't get to judge anymore than "they" do. Attack actions, not people and do not set yourself up as God.

[IdaBriggs]

25. See Reply #24. nt

[leesa]

16. Right. The old, "you can't know what's in their heart" BS

You can get a pretty good damned idea when they KNOW Iraq did nothing to us and they are cheering for the killing of Iraqis. You can get a pretty clear picture of what's in their hearts when they are calling for the deaths of Muslims because they are Muslims. Just like they used to call for the deaths of blacks because they were blacks.

These are despicable bigots dressed up in Sunday school clothes and it is unChristian of us not to expose their bigotry and meanness.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. WHO ARE "THEY" LEESA?

All baptists? All fundamentalists? Republicans who happen to also go to church?
How do you identify "them" from the nice person sitting next to them in the pew? Or is it anyone dressed in sunday school school clothes who is suspect? How do YOU tell the difference?

Just what we need, more labeling and hate. Fact is that you don't have any fucking idea who "they" are and you do not have the right to decided who God loves or who loves God.
Judge actions, not people.

[IdaBriggs]

23. I am talking Actions & Words.

I am NOT making blanket statements about * ALL * people who claim to be Christians. I'm talking about the ones who preach hate. I'm talking about these people (referencing Clinton) --

"His early demise would be a boon for the country! I'll try to attend the funeral and spit on his casket - for all the harm he has done the United States."

Or how about this one:

"sorry, I cant muster any sympathy. I'd feel the same if they said Saddam was gettin bypass surgery. It's a waste of time and money."

Here's a good one:

"That's really too bad. I feel sorry for those with heart problems. Say hi to your friend Vince on your way down. I understand he's still in the waiting area."

If you want to read more of this filth, go here: http://www.lucianne.com/threads22.asp?artnum=166891 or http://www.lucianne.com/threads22.asp?artnum=166891

In the meantime, I'm NOT going to call people who say this type of stuff "Christians" because THEY SAY THEY ARE because I believe they do not follow the teachings of Jesus, so they are now "Jesus Haters." If they can change "pro-choice" into "pro-abortion" then I can use the same verbal kung fu on them.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. I would like to hear about sermons that denounce this co-opting of their

faith. Ministers have a duty to protect their doctrine and their congregations from any source that attacks them.

Many brave pastors, priests, and ministers were arrested and sent to camps in Germany for speaking out against the Third Reich, especially when it wanted to supplant Christianity with its own pagan-like "Nazi-style" Christianity. Actually more like replace than supplant.

Now is the time for brave men and women to speak up and speak up often with passion.

[fat elvis]

13. The Religous Right....

Is nothing more than the modern day version of the Pharasies that persecuted Jesus.

The Pharasies were the religous right of the day that kept people in fear, thought they were more moral than everyone else, and thought they were the chosen of God, but persecuted God's only Son.

These religous whack jobs we see today would have fit right in.

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. Good answer, Mr Presley!

Welcome to DU, and thankya verymuch! :hi:

[Merlin]

17. Wrong about the Pharisees. They were the liberals of their time.

The Saducees were the right wingers, the puppet ruling class operating in concert with the Roman occupiers.

The Pharisees have been misrepresented by the gospel writers. Why? Because the gospels were written decades after Jesus died. They were written after the Jewish revolt against the Romans in 66 AD. The Romans crushed the Jews and destroyed the Temple in 70 AD. They instituted a reign of terror against the Jews. So it became desirable then for the followers of Jesus to break away from the Jewish tradition and present themselves as a completely different religion (as the Greek, Paul, had sought to do). Thus the anti-Jewish bias developed in the gospels, including even the apocryphal and somewhat ridiculous story of how the brutal, ruthless Pontius Pilate agonized over killing Jesus but the Jews were the "demons" who, completely out of character, insisted on his death.

Welcome to DU, Fat Elvis!

[oasis]

18. Lying, fat cat hypocrites like Falwell, Pat Robertson, Bob Jones, Dobson

and Zell Miller are more interested in filling their pockets than serving the flock.

[Nevernose]

20. What did Gandhi say?

Something to the effect of "Christianity is a beautiful relgion; it's the Christians who are the problem." He said a few variations on this theme over the years.

[DemBones DemBones]

22. It seems that you are saying that

indiscriminate hatred of Christians is OK since some Christians are bigots.

How is that different from the people who claim that indiscriminate hatred of Muslims is OK since some Muslims are terrorists?

[IdaBriggs]

24. No, I am saying there is a difference --

between Christians and Jesus-Haters, and you can identify them by their words and deeds. Hiding EVIL behind the good works of others (because there are a lot of good, decent Christians out there) is NOT acceptable.