must we all agree?

[dudeness]

I have to be honest with you here folks..I could not give a shit about John Kerrys military record or that GWB was a gutless wonder for not serving his country..who cares ?..I will tell you ..NOBODY.. outside of the mass hysteria, oops, I mean media...what I care about is the obsession with military hardware the USA has and its preparedness to use it..give me a President with no military ties..perhaps a writer or a philanthropist..

[Cleita]

1. Must be nice up there in that cloud you are sitting in.

Unfortunately, there are young Americans suffering and dying in awful wars started by our Prezidunce down here. A writer or philanthropist is better suited to doing just those things, writing about injustice and putting their money where it would do the most good. We need a leader and a politician who can negotiate our way out of this mess. I know Kerry is up to the job. Now let's get him elected.

[dudeness]

2. thanks ..the view is quite good..

however, the secret to avoiding a mess is to not instigate one in the first place...hardly a resounding catchcry for any president of any political creed in the USA for many decades..to suggest that people must have military backgrounds to achieve leadership status is naive in the least..Kerry will know doubt be up to the job..but lets see some change when he is elected..

[Cleita]

5. Well, considering that our last good President didn't have

a military background, and our elected President in exile, although a Vietnam Vet was a journalist in that war ( your writer), but our selected President never saw a day of action, went AWOL, and he did get us into this mess with no military experience.

[dudeness]

7. good points

but who was your last "good" president?

[Cleita]

9. Clinton of course.

eom

[dudeness]

10. of course....clinton

not a military man himself..but known to enjoy the odd bombfest..somewhat a legend amongst devotees..hmmm

[Cleita]

13. Before you get into the Balkans thing, remember we had

treaties that we are suppsed to honor and it's too late to argue with you so maybe someone will take up the slack. If you are too young to remember the rising prosperity of the Clinton years that was actually spreading to everyone, not just a handful of billionaires, then you wouldn't dismiss him so handily. We are suffering under this Prezidunce and it didn't have to be this way. Sigh. G'nite.

[dudeness]

15. nite..

:)

[northstar]

3. A writer or a philanthropist....might actually make some change

in this world. Guess that's why they don't win elections (actually, that's why those people don't seek the job in the first place, they're too smart for it!)

Pim Fortyne (sp?) in the Netherlands might have been a good example (frankly, I don't know enough about him to know for sure), and it didn't 'end up very well' for him. Regular people liked what he had to say an awful lot, but he wasn't in 'the club'....:shrug:

[dudeness]

4. thanks for the support northstar

but i fear we may be swimming against the tide of public opinion..

[Kanary]

17. Imagine. The brand-new Czech Republic elected a playwright.

Seemed to do pretty well.

Guess we just don't "get" the "intelligentsia"....... sigh......

War -- the devil you know

Kanary

[Cleita]

6. Most of our presidents already were writers, the illiterate Prezidunce

presently in office, notwithstanding. The fact that most of them have written articles and books is evident of this. Our candidate Kerry is a philanthropist as is his wife. So I'm afraid more is needed, not less.

[dudeness]

8. I should refine the art of writing myself..

in my original post I did not specifically or intentionally wish to identify two groups of people as those most suited to the highest offfice of the land..but meant it as merely a discussion point and to state my view ,that, in general I am weary of military service being the ultimate accolade one places upon a political candidate..my view is simply other qualities are important

[Cleita]

11. Well, we almost were headed for an age of peace after

we got rid of Ronnie and George 1. Clinton scuttled the Star Wars BS and tried to maintain a military that we needed not one to make is the biggest bully on the block. But lo and behold the Worlocks got into power again and took us back to WWI.

[Djinn]

12. I don't want it to be a pre-requisite

but I've found that those who've had some experience of war tend to be less gung-ho to repeat it unlike the neo-cons who support it but cheer it on from the comfort of their wealth and distance from the shooting.

Unfortunately I don't see Kerry doing much to fix the Iraq sitch - you can talk about coalition till the cows come home but exactly who is he suggesting will join up to the Imperial adventure?? He didn't start this war and I don't know if he would have had it been his decision but he may inherit it and from what I can see he wont be playing a much different game there.

It'd be nice if intelligence and respect for democracy was a pre-requisite for politicans but I'm afraid it's like coppers - people attracted to personal power and facism are teh ones that go for those roles (in the main NOT all)

[dudeness]

14. good point Djinn

luckily i am not copper ..otherwise i would have been offended being labelled a fascist..lol...

[Djinn]

16. I did say MOST

not all coppers - I used to actually stick up for them when friends would start the "all coppers are c****" wail but after several bad experiences (I've never actually been arrested let alone convicted btw) it got harder and harder to justify their actions.