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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:07 AM
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Thank you, DUers, for being such a good source of info
I got in a bit of a dust-up on a non-political e-mail list--someone brought up Kerry's anti-war "atrocities" reference in a most negative manner. Thanks to DU, I had read the whole nuanced quote and went in search of it before replying. The private response from the rest of the list has been overwhelmingly positive and it felt good to be able to set the record straight.

:loveya: :grouphug: :yourock:
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:14 AM
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1. Wow, well thanks for sticking up for the truth on your email list
Sounds like you had a positive impact.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:22 AM
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2. The only way we can compensate for a totally biased media.
Don't blame your friends. They are only guilty of watching the "news".
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:41 AM
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3. The instigator is a Bushbot
From of old and one who I really wouldn't want to meet in real life, since he seems to feel a need to get vicious ever so often.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:11 AM
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6. Then keep the quote handy...
...because you can be sure that sooner or later he'll spout the lie again, especially if he thinks he has a different audience. You have to nail these guys every time.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:08 AM
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4. Why don't you share the correspondence with us?
Might be of help to others.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:37 AM
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9. To protect the innocent (and myself)
I will give an abbreviated version--

X --Was Kerry lying when he said he was a war criminal or is he lying now?

I replied that he didn't say he was a war criminal--are you lying or just mistaken?

"he admitted to committing atrocities"

I replied with the full quote:
"SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals."
http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:10 AM
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5. Good for you Maeve..
you can figure each person may tell 5 to 10 other people.

We ought to call ourselves "Wising Up America" or something.

:)
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:02 AM
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7. DU is the history book, the truth manual, for these last horrible
years since the selection. Links, accurate statements, debunking quotes, it's all here. You guys are awesome.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:13 AM
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8. Ripple of hope
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 10:14 AM by MGKrebs
"Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a ripple of hope . . . and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy . . . {they} build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

- - - - - Robert F. Kennedy
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:46 AM
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10. Thanks for posting that quote, the Kenndy men certainly were
eloquent and thoughtful people..honor and dignity have been words made shallow by the acts of this misadministration.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:07 AM
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11. thanks
i wont watch tv news much anymore cuz i just see unethical money obsession behind it all-power has corupted
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