Freepers turn on Iraqi soccer team like rabid dogs

[Cocoa]

Before Iraqi team expressed its views on what is happening in their country

Man when I heard this I had tears in my eyes. This is great for Iraqi's. It's inspirational to me and them. I would love to see Iraq and the U.S.A playing for the gold. Sweet!!!
...
It would be cool if the Iraqi's played their anthem and the American anthem when they win a gold.
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Time for the Iraqi's to take back their country from the insurgents. It's up to them!
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I thought I would be only one sentimental enough to tear up when they heard the news! It's a great life when something as simple as a soccer win can be so very emblematic!

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After...

A glaring example of ingratitude. If they had only came in where they did, Qusay would have ther hands or fingerswhen they got home.

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I'm extending my middle finger in the direction of these pathetic, ungrateful little turds.

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Ahmed Manajid and Salih Sadir,

Go crawl into a rat hole.

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[Richardo]

1. That's a hilarious subject line: very evocative

:D

[Bluzmann57]

2. Wonder how they feel about the USA Soccer teams

Just asking.

[ColumbiaCowboy]

10. Half right? Eh, maybe half...

It is kind of hypocritical, and the Bush ads were really, really rotten.
But I thought the same thing when I saw the comments...these guys were being tortured...not running gassers, real live torture...by Hussain and the comments about the nation whose soldiers are dying to free them from the Hussain regime. I don't expect them to fall on their faces worshipping America, and they have every right to be angry about Bush trying to score political points on their Olympic success, but their venom towards the United States is awfully ungrateful and that's disappointing.

[Cocoa]

12. one of the players' brothers was killed in Fallujah

does that help you figure it out?

Maybe the kind thinking that leads you to expect the Iraqis to be "grateful" is flawed.

Maybe the claim that this war is for the Iraqis' benefit is a LIE, maybe you should stop believing it? :shrug:

[ColumbiaCowboy]

22. No way.

"Maybe the claim that this war is for the Iraqis' benefit is a LIE, maybe you should stop believing it?"

No, freedom beats the hell out of being under the thumb of a dictator. The Iraqis have benefitted whether they see it or not. A lot. There's no "flaw" in thinking that people ought to live in freedom.

[DrWeird]

25. The guy got gunned down.

That's what you call freedom?

What about this guy, Allawi, that we appointed. He's as bad a dictator as Saddam.

[Sophree]

31. The great thing about freedom is...

You have the freedom to tell an occupying force to get the hell out of your country.

And you also have the freedom to tell the leader of that occupying force, who is using YOU to forward his selfish political goals TO GO SUCK IT.

Isn't freedom grand?

[Fatima]

61. A couple of points

1. They AREN'T free. Occupying forces and puppet government are there, aren't they? Abu Ghraib, remember that? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

2. They AREN'T necessarily better off. We destroyed loads of infrastructure such as electric power grids and water treatment plants. Disease and crime are soaring. Homicide victims are piling up in the hospitals. Women are being forced into the veil and most are virtual prisoners at home because rape and kidnapping are epidemic. Unemployment tops 70% because FOREIGNERS are taking jobs Iraqis can do- and they are supposed to be GRATEFUL?

3. We were not invited.

4. We did not go there to "liberate" anything but the oil fields.

5. We were not invited.

6. Just in case you failed to get it, we were not invited.

[newyawker99]

15. Hi ColumbiaCowboy!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ColumbiaCowboy]

23. Why thank you!

I expect in new groups of Dems, especially more progressive ones, to get a bit of disagreement, but I appreciate your warm welcome, that's cool.

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[progressivebydesign]

16. Think of it in easy terms..

A 10 year old lives with an abusive mother. She beats him, locks him in a closet, burns him with cigarettes. Horrific abuse.

The court steps in, sends the child to his father's house. Dad beats him, kills his sister, verbally abuses him.

Should HE be grateful to the court for sending him to live with the Dad????

[ColumbiaCowboy]

26. (shakes head)

That's an amazing comparison. You think a freely elected government is no better than Saddam?
I expect anger and frustration there now, but this war won't last forever, and next year and five years and fifty years from now they'll be a darn sight better off for what we've done whether they ever admit it or not. And I know we're not there for a pat on the back. But dad gum it, EVERYONE is rooting for these guys...why? Because we feel great for them that they were under this horrific regime, and now they're not.
And why they aren't is getting brushed under the carpet, and that's unfair to the young soldiers from the US who are dying for these players' freedom. I guess yeah, a little gratitude would be nice.

[DrWeird]

28. So you're saying your grateful for 9-11?

Osama attacked the US in a preemptive attack, just like we attacked Iraq.

How much gratitude do you have for Al Qaeda?

[ColumbiaCowboy]

30. Trashiest thing I've ever read

Comparing our freeing the Iraqis to the terrorist attacks is absolute filth. If your freedom means so little to you that you'd compare the people who stand up to defend it to scumbag terrorists who murder thousands you're beyond rational thought. It's a pity you take your freedoms so lightly.
No, we are NOT the same as Al Quaida.

[DrWeird]

32. Hey, it's your logic, not mine.

We bombed the shit out of the Iraqis and you expect them to be grateful. That's like expecting Americans to be grateful for 9-11.

"Freeing the Iraqis?"

That's like the Chinese saying they freed Tibetans.

The US is raping, torturing, and murdering Iraqis. They puppet goverment we've installed is as bad as Saddam's.

It's a pity you call child rape "freedom."

[ColumbiaCowboy]

36. Oh, brother

"We bombed the shit out of the Iraqis and you expect them to be grateful."

Yes. Because the result is a free nation without Saddam.
And even if they aren't the result is a WORLD free of a lot of very dangerous terrorists.

"That's like expecting Americans to be grateful for 9-11."

That comparison remains completely idiotic.

"'Freeing the Iraqis?'That's like the Chinese saying they freed Tibetans."

Horsecrap. That's absolute bull. Are Tibetans holding free elections? Do you really think Iraqis CHOSE Saddam? WANTED to live under his thumb? LIKED it?

"The US is raping, torturing, and murdering Iraqis."

According to whom? There have been EXTREMELY rare cases of this sort of mistreatment, and UNLIKE Saddam and his type we find and prosocute those who are doing so. What happened at Abu Graib was a crime and those responsible should be punished. And they are.
But it's PATTYCAKE compared to everyday actions by the Hussains.

"They puppet goverment we've installed is as bad as Saddam's."

Nonsense.

"It's a pity you call child rape "freedom."

I don't and I highly resent the LIE that you say I do. I never said anything of the sort. Freedom doesn't mean anything to you evidently, you'll believe any lie so long as it makes our nation look bad. What a disgrace.

[DrWeird]

38. "And UNLIKE Saddam"

"and UNLIKE Saddam and his type we find and prosocute those who are doing so."

There's memo with Donald Rumsfeld's signature ordering the use of dogs in torture at Abu Ghraib. There's another memo with Bush's signature ordering the Geneva Conventions null in void at Abu Ghraib. And that's at least as much evidence, if not more, than Saddam's atrocities. When Rumself and Bush are prosecuted and punished, maybe your point will be valid. Until than this whole "free Iraqi" point is bullshit.

"Are Tibetans holding free elections?"

Are Iraqis? Do you think if the Iraqis elect Sadr we'll honor it?

Are you aware that this guy Allawi shot six people in the back of the head? They didn't even have trials. That's the same kind of thing Saddam did after the US put him in charge. Allawi's even ordering torture?

So what's the big difference between Allawi and Saddam? Time to wake up and smell the coffee, buddy. This war wasn't to free the Iraqi people any more than it was about finding WMDs.

[Dangerman]

58. Amen to that.

[Dangerman]

57. You are somewhat mistaken, IMHO, Mr. Cowboy.

"That's like expecting Americans to be grateful for 9-11."

"'Freeing the Iraqis?' That's like the Chinese saying they freed Tibetans."

"They puppet government we've installed is as bad as Saddam's."

I agree with DrWeird's comments here.

The puppet government we installed in Iraq is INDEED as bad, if not worse, than Saddam's.

I don't think that's pure nonsense, I think it's a pure, honest-to-goodness fact.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

53. Well, Smirk says we "liberated" Iraq...

...as a response to 9/11. So yeah, they are related, even though he lied about it.

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[mondo joe]

40. I don't know why you think they're now free

A lot of Iraqi people certainly don't think they're free.

As far as they're concerned they're an occupied nation.

[DrWeird]

42. The Iraqi soccer coach doesn't think they're free.

"We do not have freedom in Iraq, we have an occupying force. This is one of our most miserable times,

[allalone]

44. what freely elected gov?

they now have rulers we shoved down their throat. Never mind a few years from now. It'll be business as usual in the ME. Religious, tribal and territorial rivalries.

[oldcoot]

47. Free in name only

Who knows what will happen in 50 years? It is possible that Iraq might become a democracy. It is also possible that Iraq may become a theocracy. Iraq may not even exist in 50 years and, instead, may be replaced by several smaller nations.

However, one should not blame the Iraqi people for being skeptical about this so-called liberation and Bush's intentions. Although Bush has made grand claims about liberating the Iraqi people, his rhetoric rarely reflects reality. For example, Bush has made false claims about liberating Iraq. He claims that Iraq is a free nation. Typically, in a free and democratic nation, the press has rights. Even in those democracies which do not guarantee freedom of the press in their constitutions, reporters do not face negative consequences such as loss of life or limb for doing their jobs. In Iraq, the police have threatened the lives of reporters (http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10478772%5E401,00.html
). Moreover, Prime Minister Allawi has established the "Higher Media Commission" to control the press. Any "unwarranted" criticism of the prime minister is prohibited(source: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1092232150124&call_pageid=970599109774&col=Columnist969907624636 )


In many ways, U.S. officials have acted more like 19th century imperialists instead of liberators. Although Bush claims that the U.S. has turned over sovereignty to the Iraqi people, closer examination reveals that Iraq is not sovereign. Sovereign nations get to make and enforce their own laws. Before Bremer left, he saddled Iraq with 97 edicts that covered everything from traffic laws to the privatization of state-owned businesses. Bremer also gave U.S. and foreign civilian contractors immunity from Iraqi law. Not surprisingly, many Iraqis found Bremer's actions outrageous (sources: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1092232150124&call_pageid=970599109774&col=Columnist969907624636 and http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/28/iraq/main626412.shtml). Not only do Bremer edicts clearly favor U.S. businesses but he was also demonstrating no respect for the Iraqi people. A better approach would have been to treat the Iraqi people as intelligent individuals from the beginning and not as stupid children.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

52. But it's NOT a "freely elected government."

It's a government picked by people that *Bush's team appointed. It's currently a puppet regime. *Bush talks about how great democracy and freedom are, yet he won't let the Iraqis have it until we're done with the plundering.

[DrWeird]

18. Got any proof for that?

That whole thing about Hussein torturing Olympic athletes. I've seen lots of people talk about it, no evidence though.

Sounds like an awful lot of propaganda bullshit to me. Like WMDs or taking babies out of incubators.

[ColumbiaCowboy]

27. You're kidding, right?

Jeez, no WONDER they're so unhappy, they LIKED the Hussains raping their sisters and torturing them.

And just to answer the question, yes, there IS proof that the nation's athletes were being tortured.

[DrWeird]

29. Oh, there is proof. So then show it to me.

I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'd just like to see proof. There's a lot of stuff being said that hasn't been proved, and a lot of it's been proved a lie.

So let's see this proof that the olympians were being tortured.

And while you're at it, let's see this proof that the Husseins raped and tortured their sisters.

I mean I've seen pictures of US troops torturing and raping Iraqis, just none of the ones with the Husseins.

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[DrWeird]

39. OK, so it's plentiful.

So just show me some.

Or is it "plentiful" in the sense of Saddam's WMDs?

[WoodrowFan]

50. dude

even the current Iraqi Soccer Team says it happened. Do a Google search for cripes sake.

from a LW source...

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/002227.html

from the Clinton-era State Department
http://www.usemb.se/human/human1999/iraq.html

[Scairp]

49. Here we go

The standard freeper taunt of "you must hate this country" or other crapola along those lines. No buttwipe, what we here hate and abhor is THE CURRENT CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION. Get it? They lie through their teeth about everything. They are power hungry, and if you think about it, they are the ones who hate this country, not us. So back up Freepboy, you clearly have mold on your brain and the inability to think independently of the party line.

[mondo joe]

51. If proof is plentiful you should be able to produce some easily

If proof is plentiful you should be able to produce some easily. Please do so.

Also, it seems to me very bad manners to accuse someone of hating "what this nation stands for" because you have a disagreement about Iraq.

[lunarboy13]

41. I think you need to be less ethnocentric...

You can't simply view different cultures through your own paradigm and expect them to react exactly as you or any other American would under the same conditions.

Democracy in a country such as Iraq is possible, but will be extremely difficult to maintain because of all the different religious factions that want control. The people of Iraq suffered horribly through the Saddam regime and most are still suffering as a result of the war and its aftermath. President Bush did them a great disservice by not fully planning for the post-war in Iraq. Bush and his administration kept pushing the impression of Iraqis welcoming our troops with flowers, that there would be no long-lasting insurgency. This reveals an even greater mistake, they did not consult with a single cultural anthropologist during the planing for the war. If he had, he would have had a better picture of how we would have been viewed by the Iraqi people. There are many, many complexities to consider when initiating any sort of contact with people of another culture. You have to try and see the world from their perspective -- from their cultural world-view. And then you must also try to see how they view us.

Bush did none of this , nor did he even effectively plan for the aftermath of the war itself. It is through this grave series of errors that many Iraqis and many Americans have lost their lives. This is one of many, many reasons the Iraqis (as well as Americans) have to be upset with President Bush. If there is ever going to be an Iraq that makes it out of the rubble and begins to stand on its own as a democracy, it will be inspite of everything President Bush has done thus far. And if that democracy stands the test of time, Iraqis will look back and perhaps give thanks to some of the American soldiers who helped give them their start. They will most certainly give many thanks to their fellow Iraqis, for if Iraq is to become a long-lasting democracy, it will be because of the resolve of many, many Iraqis themselves. One person they will never thank, however, will be President Bush.

[peekaloo]

3. Ah, nothing says sovereignty like a dual national anthem.

The Iraqis must hate themselves for their own freedoms.

:dunce:

[Cocoa]

4. lol

you make two very good points. :-)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

6. Dual anthem???

What's that? Does the Iraqi anthem suddenly break into Oh Say Can You See at midpoint or something?

[oneighty]

43. Morning of August, 23 1921,

some 1,500 dignitaries assembled in the courtyard-

skip-

-Baghdad to witness the installation of a foreign Prince Faisal as the first king of the newly created nation-

skip-

Faisal's subjects had no anthem so the band struck up "God Save the King."

skip-

In July 1958 Iraq's constitutional monarchy came to a brutal end-

And so it was and likely will be.

From Smithsonian-May 2003. Article by Johnathan Kandell.

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[Cat Atomic]

5. Here's a nice message.

"Morons.

Too bad UDAY is not there to CUT THEIR B@lls off."

Did they really think those guys were fucking Republicans? I mean Jesus, how stupid can the Freepers be?

[goclark]

14. They are REAL stupid

and getting more so by the second.

[Jacobin]

7. "ingrates"....

Are freepers just figuring out we weren't invited to invade Iraq?

[gauguin57]

8. Reminds me of ugly-American tourists who believe

everyone in France has to kiss their asses because we "saved their asses in World War II." I detest that attitude.

Only we didn't even help save anyone this time ... we invaded a sovereign country on false pretenses.

Dual anthems. Oh BROTHER!

[Downtown Hound]

9. First it was WMD's

Then it was because Saddam had ties to Osama.

Then it was to free the Iraqi people.

Looks like the Iraqi people didn't want our help, or at least they didn't want it in the form of guns and bombs. The freepers don't have many excuses left, do they?

[GoBlue]

11. Ignorance is bliss

The USA mens soccer team wasn't good enough to qualify for the Olympics.

[stlchic]

35. But the Women's team did...

And they're going up against Germany next.

Considering the ire they have against Germany, I would think there would be some attention on them...

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

13. lol lol lol the whole world just wont do what they want huh

i love your title lmao here, freepers keep turning on eVeryOne like rabid dogs. what is new. lol thanks for the laugh

[Kid_A]

17. At first I thought Freepers were just misinformed...

then I started thinking that they had some chemical imbalance making them unable to see shades of gray. But I think I finally figured out what's wrong with them: the little switches on the backs of their heads are set on "Fucking Idiot". If they fix that, everything should be all right...

[Damn Hippie]

19. This says it all for me:

"...when something as simple as a soccer..."

Simple?!?

The simpleton that wrote this obviously has absolutely no clue whatsoever ABOUT ANYTHING!

[SoCalDem]

20. Well,we all knew they would

Didn't we:)

[bowens43]

21. What cracks me up are the conservative idiots

who think that the Iraqis should be grateful to us!! Between Bush Sr, US backed sanctions and the idiot's current 'war' the US killed more Iraqis than Saddam killed the entire time he was in power. Just what in the hell do they have to be grateful for?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

54. Shouldn't we be applauding their freedom

To complain about their government, and ours? But no - the Freeps have to attack them for not bowing down before their white masters.

[Ducks In A Row]

24. Damn ingrates. Kill a person's brother and where are the thanks!

freeper asses.

[delete_bush]

33. I think their sig lines say it all...

Rakkasan1 (it takes a school to bankrupt a village)

CyberAnt (President Bush: The only way to Peace is through Victory!)

numberonepal (Whatever happened to freedom, liberty, and capitalism?)

Any my personal favorite....

Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)

[stlchic]

34. Can you say "flip flopper"?

I was quite amused at the conspiracy theorist (there was more than one):

“He spoke through a translator, hmm? Perhaps someone ought to find out who the translator is and what he translated. I think he might have had his own interpretation.”

Disgusted at the viciousness of :

“Too bad UDAY is not there to CUT THEIR B@lls off.”

I was wondering when someone was going to post “What’s the point of liberating a bunch of ragheads, torturing innocent civilians, and turning their country into a terrorist infested crater if they’re not going to kiss your ass afterwards?!?”, but I’m guessing it will come eventually....

And while I’m pretty sure that this was purely rhetorical:

“Can someone explain to me why I shouldn't hate these people?”

I’m wondering if this person, like most Republican conservatives, is a Christian. If so, I’ve got two good reasons for him: Matthew 5:44 and Luke 6:27.

What would Jesus do, indeed.

Hypocrites.

:grr:

[Dawgs]

45. Picture on CNN this morning..

Did anyone see the picture of the boy standing next to a car that was riddled with bullets. He was crying because his mother was killed in that car. I was just passing through this site, but it stopped me cold and pissed me off that some people just ignore this stuff.

I wonder if that kid is grateful of the occupation today. I doubt he will ever be.

Thanks Bush!!!

[Rufus T. Firefly]

55. Well, he's free now.

And we liberated the hell out of his mom.

Nah, we didn't create a future terrorist there, did we?

[Guaranteed]

46. Cuz they owe it all to Bush!

It has nothing to do with their hard work or talent.

It's all thanks to Bush invading their country. If they don't let Bush exploit them and their hard work, they're nothing but ungrateful little shits.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

56. Even better, in the "before" comments...

"I don't think the Iraqi women could run very well in those "things" they wear. LOL"

[Fatima]

59. Ah yes, brown people of the world once again must express gratitude

for the graciousness of the US to shower its bombs on them. Free Republic- the world of the seriously deluded racist knuckle-dragging cretin.