Tinpot Dictator Lovers: CHECK IN!

[Vladimir]

Now that Chavez has won the 6th referendum (to add to his 2 election victories) on his rule in as many years, who here joins me in their love of tin-pot dictators who opress the rich and provide hospitals for the poor?

Don't be a Loooooser. Be a Winner. Viva Chavez!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

1. I'm with you!

:thumbsup:

[althecat]

2. Me too.. but I am not sure if everybody will understand the irony

[AP]

3. Bush doesn't have to win a single election to be 'legitimate." But if you

want to make a real difference in the lives of people who are struggling, you have to win elections over and over and over gain...and even then, the oligarchs STILL won't think you're legitimate. Allende to Gray Davis to Chavez. No matter how energetic or milquetoasty you are, if you aren't whoring it up for the richest members of society, a democratic election isn't enough to make you legitimate.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

4. what is legitimacy at this point?

Is a government legitimate if the media deems it so? Isn't a government's legitimacy based on the acual good it does does ather than what the media reports?

This whole situation in Venezuela should stand out to the world as an example of just how hard it is to effect real change and an uplifing of the people in the face of overwhelming self-interest.

[depakid]

5. If you are implying

that Gray Davis wasn't one of the biggest political whores on the West Coast, you'd be mistaken. In fact, that's one of the reasons he lost.

Otherwise, I agree completely with your statement, and it's a serious problem that up until very recently had been getting worse in the US by the year- with little relief prior to Moveon and Howard Dean's campaign.

[AP]

6. Davis didn't look like he was going to let Enron off the hook and

Bustamante talked about fixing propostion 13 so that property wasn't only valued at the time of the sale (which would have brought an end to large corporations paying property tax based on 1980s property valuations).

Regardelss of how much whoring you think Davis did, those two positions would have cost big business billions (and saved the middle class billions).

Thus the recall.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

8. Not to mention Bustamante filing suit against Enron and others

and Schwartzenneger throwing that law suit out on day 1 - thus the recall

[Vladimir]

13. My thoughts on this whole saga

1) The more the people of Venezuela are made to fight for their democracy, the more they will learn to value it. For Venezuelans apathy is simply not an option, because the oligarchy has too much to lose and will fight having to share its wealth until the end. This is a lesson that a lot of countries could do with learning, it seems to me.

2) The Venezuelan constitution is once again confirmed as one of the most progressive such documents in the world. One can only hope that the Bolivarean model is picked up in other countries where the socio-political context could warrant its application.

3) The winning margin puts paid to the notion that Chavez didn't want a referendum because he was scared of losing.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

14. The Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela - download a copy

PDF - http://www.venezuela-avanza.de/verfassung_venezuela_-_eng.pdf.

HTML - http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:jSEbOOCqD1MJ:www.venezuela-avanza.de/verfassung_venezuela_-_eng.pdf+constitution+of+the+bolivarian+republic+of+venezuela&hl=en

[Vladimir]

15. Thank you!

In my experience the easiest way to unite a bunch of lefties is to mention this document. From Troskyists to Stalinists and even plain old Social Democrats, everyone I have met agrees that it is a work of beauty.

[lottie244]

7. I'm in!! Notice the media says Chavez "survived" not "won" or "vitorious

Oh that media...they are a hoot!!!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

9. I noticed that

typical

[ChipperbackDemocrat]

10. I say 58% is a helluva lot more than "surviving"

These guy polled more votes than he did the last time around, but because its most poor and brown folk driving the decision, its illegitimate.

Or perhaps it is because we've forgotten what a legitimate national election is in this country. Its been at least 8 years since we had one. ;)

[lottie244]

11. The message is: Ok, all you poor, black, brown and red Americans...

get the hell off your butts and register and go out and vote in November!!!

[ChipperbackDemocrat]

12. lottie..I'm on that detail!

Where I live, I'm on that like butter on grits.

If your not voting, then you are voting for Bush.

[WyLoochka]

16. This Chavez Frias landslide

is a huge victory for people everywhere.

And it is a smashing defeat for the Busholinis - they wanted to oust Chavez almost as much as they wanted to oust Saddam.

This really puts a roadblock up in the way of their plans to steal and plunder dwindling oil reserves everywhere possible.

Well, Busholinis, it ain't possible in Venezuela!